Vaping nicotine as a never-smoker, why not?
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What I find hilarious, is the idea that vaping less nicotine is somehow better than vaping relatively high concentrations (35 mg/ml+).
You might find it hilarious but according to your join date youve only been here for less than a year.
Back when this forum first started, 99 percent of the people here were vaping with the ultimate goal of quitting smoking and nicotine altogether.
Many were successful and ended up moving on.
I think they would be both shocked and horrified to visit the forums today.
People advocating vaping alongside "moderate" smoking, others advocating increased dosages of nicotine, members encouraging never smokers to vape nicotine, others encouraging unsafe practices and underage vaping.
None of that was the intended purpose of these forums and youre kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Doubly so if you falsely call this progress.
What I find hilarious, is the idea that vaping less nicotine is somehow better than vaping relatively high concentrations (35 mg/ml+).
You might find it hilarious but according to your join date youve only been here for less than a year.
Back when this forum first started, 99 percent of the people here were vaping with the ultimate goal of quitting smoking and nicotine altogether.
Many were successful and ended up moving on.
I think they would be both shocked and horrified to visit the forums today.
People advocating vaping alongside "moderate" smoking, others advocating increased dosages of nicotine, members encouraging never smokers to vape nicotine, others encouraging unsafe practices and underage vaping.
None of that was the intended purpose of these forums and youre kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Doubly so if you falsely call this progress.
Welcome to 2015!
Don't let all the mobile devices freak you out. Oh, and all those cigalikes that you previously used to mimic the act of smoking, those are now in the minority by 99% of long term vapers.
Also in 2010 there was a fairly significant court decision that said this is not to be marketed as a smoking cessation product but instead as a recreational choice among adults. Man, that was really shocking and horrific when that happened. I don't know how we ever survived that.
If youre the future of vaping, I'll pass.
I have a feeling I wont be alone in that choice either.
As far as the decision you refer to in 2010,these forums, as well as CASAA, had shifted focus from smoking cessation to harm reduction..... long before that time actually.
You should look the concept up as your definition seems to be markedly different from every vaper Ive ever spoken with.
Perhaps thats simply confusion with "a recreational choice amongst adults", then again it could just be the cigarettes talking.
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Thank you Unforseen, for keeping it open even through the current heat, please don't close it as we are all drawing useful viewpoints on the subject, despite all.
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EVERYONE! I am glad to see the great discussion that my thread has sparked.
But please let's stop insulting each other and rather agree to disagree if necessary, and share our different viewpoints diplomatically, without being obnoxious about it.
Blame it on research with which you disagree, personal biases, cultural differences, ignorance or whatever you want to, but please let's be polite to each other.
This is a very interesting discussion otherwise, and it would be great to see it continue, provided we all start to act like well mannered adults with different opinions rather than screaming children in a school yard.
BE NICE!
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That is correct about fact, but fact is not always needed for one to make an informed choice. This is just me of course, but when I want to try to do something new or have a decision to make that is difficult I look at the good, the bad and the ugly (proven or not) then I find the ground I feel the most comfortable with and set my footing accordingly. If at a later date I discover something else I hadn't considered, I change my views if I can. I think that is where much of the fear comes in. I can understand the person that is afraid that something will come up and they will not be able to simply change their ways in time to correct the consequences. I have made the choice to not live in fear of this, but it might be me that is the fool in the end. Who knows? To me, however, it makes no difference with vaping really if that person is a past smoker or not. We all need to decide for ourselves at some point what vices we use. I think the thought that vaping is a past smoker only club is quite silly. It's a vice that people will use for a whole bunch of reasons.
I could be wrong but I think cravings are an emotion which would be stronger then a thought or not as controllable. Yes we can control our emotion but only to a certain point.
If it were possible to recreate the throat hit some other way, then you believe his cravings would go away, without nicotine?
People here have looked for ways to simulate the throat hit but have not been successful so this is necessarily hypothetical.
Isn't that just the way life is? I heard a physicist on TV a while back say this (paraphrasing):
"The only people who are certain about the ground they stand on are mathematicians and fools, and I'm not sure about the mathematicians. If you think there is some absolute truth out there which you can eventually come to know, you are chasing a rainbow."
I reckon a never smoker coming here would find a lot of food for thought, and that's as good as it gets.
If that physicist leaps from a 20 story balcony onto a concrete surface, he will die. That is as close to an absolute truth as most of us require. There are some truths out there,at a practical level.
Meh, 60 meters is more than enough to deploy a base-jumping canopy, so the truth as you have stated it is far from absolute.
Really, please point out the dates that CASAA and everyone on these forums shifted focus in way you are saying. I look forward to you backing that up. I'm sure you won't.
Recreational choice amongst adults is currently winning out over THR, and yet both are occurring.
If anyone reading this thinks moderate smoking is not THR, I'd enter into discussion with them. If all they have is ad hominem and ANTZ rhetoric to back them up, let's just say it'll be a very short debate.
What if the physicist had a parachute?
Thing is, these absolute assertions usually do have stipulations. Even the ones about death. Perhaps especially the ones about death, as some of us are confident it is actually a new beginning.
ETA: Oops, noticed after I posted that @Rossum made similar point before me.
Thus proving that in every case someone(s) will argue around a simple principle.
But it is progress. People were lied to about nicotine and its involvement with their smoking habits. The good that can come from nicotine usage far outweighs any negative effects. Except for nicotine poisoning there are almost no negative effects for most people. People like to blame something for their shortcomings, and nicotine is an easy target for smokers. Unfortunately, nicotine has little to do with their smoking dependence.
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If you could make nicotine free ejuice really non-distinguishable from ejuice with nicotine, then yes. However, as you point out, this would probably be an impossible task, even with a well simulated throat hit. I was thinking about this after I wrote the response to you. Since nicotine is a stimulant, I think that an avid vaper would soon recognize its absence from the ejuice. When I tried 10 mg/ml vaping, I really didn't get much of a throat hit. At 6 mg/ml it was like sucking air to me. I am used to 45 mg/ml, so I feel the effects of the nicotine more or less as a rush when I vape. By the forth drag, I am very aware of its presence. However, one would get the same blood dose chain vaping for an extended period. So, as I just said, I think non-nicotine ejuice would be easily identified.
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