Vaping nicotine as a never-smoker, why not?
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I think something got dropped in there besides nic, that sounds like psychedelic hippie vape juice.
Hahahaha!
Reading that again (I wrote it as it was happening and posted it here straight away) I must admit that it really sounds like that. Really extreme
In retrospect it must really have been the novelty/first time effect and or placebo effect/self suggestion, as I just tried again with some 18mg/ml liquid and got nowhere near the same effects :S
Now it was just midly stimulating, with even worse throat irritation due to the higher nicotine content
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As @mosspa would tell you, it's all in your headHahahaha!
Reading that again (I wrote it as it was happening and posted it here straight away) I must admit that it really sounds like that. Really extreme
In retrospect it must really have been the novelty/first time effect and or placebo, as I just tried again with some 18mg/ml liquid and got nowhere near the same effects :S
Now it was just midly stimulating, with even worse throat irritation due to the higher nicotine content
If it makes you feel any better, after 40 years of smoking 2-3 PAD, I too find no redeeming value in the "nic throat hit". So it's not necessarily just because you're a newbie. The more I lower the nic, the more I like my fruit/creamy vapes. They are "purer". And I don't feel like I'm getting sick and my throat is complaining. I find even 6mg now somewhat irritating, as I am now vaping 0/1/3 most of the time, except when I use up old 6mg concoctions I have laying around.
First ever vape with nic haha
And also greatest dosage and quickst onset too (24mg in 30min+-), as while I had tried nicotine patches before, a couple of months ago last, I used 1/4th of a 15mg over 18 hours patch, so not even comparable.
I was also suprised by nicotine's strong taste when vaping flavorless pg/vg, which I just tried, as I thought it'd be tasteless.
For sure. Flavorless, but not tasteless. Though it really depends on from where you get the nic that determines how much of a taste it will have. The least amount of taste I ever had was Chemnovatic nic from Molinberryshop and then (my favorite) from Vapers Tek (not totally tasteless, but what taste it does have is REALLY good and it is great for mixing fruits, sweets and whatnot). The other one I like is from Myfreedomsmokes and it has a bit of peppery edge to it (good for mixing tobaccos and earthier flavors).
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There is much question as to how comparable these various mg numbers are. One mg in a cig may not equal one mg in a vape, or a mg in a patch or nic gum, and etc.
NOT a PG guy in any way shape or form as well.As @mosspa would tell you, it's all in your head
If it makes you feel any better, after 40 years of smoking 2-3 PAD, I too find no redeeming value in the "nic throat hit". So it's not necessarily just because you're a newbie. The more I lower the nic, the more I like my fruit/creamy vapes. They are "purer". And I don't feel like I'm getting sick and my throat is complaining. I find even 6mg now somewhat irritating, as I am now vaping 0/1/3 most of the time, except when I use up old 6mg concoctions I have laying around.
I think you may have missed my point. VNeil suggested that I might be an outlier, and what I provided was that 10 out of fifty or so people who were at the reunion who were smokers in high school, quit within 10 years and had no withdrawal symptoms. Other smoked longer and as the duration of smoking increased so did the likelihood of withdrawal symptoms. Those that quit very recently (within the last 5 years (i.e., 38+ years of smoking) had the most difficulty with withdrawal symptoms. As I read what you say, you would likely be a member of the later group. So, you would be likely to exhibit withdrawal symptoms. For the last five years, I have taken a poll in my General Psych classes (50 students/class) and I have yet to have one student who smoked throughout high school (and some from grade school) who had any difficulty in quitting. So, maybe 10 ears is stretching it, but 6-7 seems to be a certainty.
Another scientific synopsis with no empirical data and a 6 person sampling...LOL...I love this guy.
Nic has a similar effect on me after not using it for about a month or if I use very little of it more frequently. It is very mild and I do not notice all of the effects you did, but when I vape nic it's a few mg/ml at 40 - 50 watts and I might go through 1/2 - 1 ml in a few hours. You got way more nic into you than I ever do these days.
The good thing for me is the TH doesn't go away so I can enjoy that anytime I feel like it
As @mosspa would tell you, it's all in your head
If it makes you feel any better, after 40 years of smoking 2-3 PAD, I too find no redeeming value in the "nic throat hit". So it's not necessarily just because you're a newbie. The more I lower the nic, the more I like my fruit/creamy vapes. They are "purer". And I don't feel like I'm getting sick and my throat is complaining. I find even 6mg now somewhat irritating, as I am now vaping 0/1/3 most of the time, except when I use up old 6mg concoctions I have laying around.
I think of TH as a similar phenomenon as the hit you get from a shot of hard liquor. Both are acquired tastes and not everyone will like either of these.
I like TH sometimes, but I also appreciate the cleaner flavor of no-nic juice. I find that nic for me causes my mouth the feel dry. I've read that for some people nicotine can have a dehydrating effect, but the effect varies for different people quite a bit. That is also from just one study. It could also just be an effect of the flavor of nic after a while.
If you disagree with mosspa then surely you have good data to back up your opinion, and we would all like to hear the details.
Otherwise would you not agree that you are merely intent on disruption?
I'm too lazy to look for it, but somewhere in the last quarter of the Advantages thread, there is a reference to a paper that looks at just that (albeit with 2nd-gen EVOD-type delivery system). The mg quantities for smoke vs vapor are not really comparable, at all. Smoke is a much more efficient delivery system than is PG/VG vapor.
I never suggested there was anything empirical about it. The sample was closer to 50 and it just so happened that only six of those people were 4-8 year smokers.
Are you referring to this study?
Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarette use: comparison between first and new-generation devices : Scientific Reports
I've also seen this article published here quoted, which implies the average cig delivers 0.8mg and the delivery rate of the average eCig is 50% of the actual nic content, such that it would take 1.6mg of eJuice to equal one cig. And then I think goes on to say that that 50% number varies significantly, depending on the gear (EVOD vs high wattage RDA and etc). And just the 0.8mg cig number would vary since nic content in cigs is supposed to vary significantly, from regular to light to ultra-light versions.
A list of symptoms when quitting tobacco and changing to an ecigarette | E-Cigarette Forum
My own experience with EVOD type gear and 18-24mg nic was that it took quite some time, if ever, to equate to a real cig, consistent with the first study. And my own experience with 50mg vaping is similar to yours, it is a hell of a hit
. And probably very comparable to a cig and although I don't want to directly compare. Someone who is still dual using would have to test that one out.
What data is needed to refute his conclusions? Surely you jest or are you really that obtuse, good sir?
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