Vaping nicotine as a never-smoker, why not?

[AndriaD]

Thanks for replying!
This definitely seems to be the only explanation. I suspect that used in moderation and with reason, cycling it with caffeine, Nicotine will be highly beneficial to me.

Looking at the potential upside, I find it really surprising that there so few non-smokers trying to take advantage of it.

I agree, but that msg about "evil nicotine" has been spewed by "public health" for so long and so diligently, you can't really blame people for having such erroneous ideas about nicotine -- I had the same wrong thinking when I got here, and was directed to read The Great Nicotine Myth and All You Need To Know About Nicotine and Is Nicotine Addictive ? and quite a few other great articles about nicotine, containing *actual facts* instead of hysterical lies.

The sad ones are those who've been around here for a while and still haven't read those articles, and are still spewing hysterical lies about nicotine.

Moderation in everything really is key -- and Jman may be the only one around here who can tell you the truth about that, as he seems to be the only one around here capable of actually *smoking* in moderation, assisted by vaping. I don't think I'm capable of that myself, but moderate vaping? Certainly. I smoked for 39 yrs, finally quit a year ago thx to e-cigs, and use just 5ml of 9mg ejuice daily.

Andria

 

[zapped]

The sad ones are those who've been around here for a while and still haven't read those articles, and are still spewing hysterical lies about nicotine.

Jman seems to be the only one around here capable of actually *smoking* in moderation, assisted by vaping.

Andria

Advising someone not to start using nicotine,especially if they've never used it before, is hardly an hysterical lie.

At it's core, its just good general advice coupled with common sense.

As far as your last comment goes, I would hardly call that "capable", much less praise someone for it.

I could backslide and smoke a few cigarettes if I wanted to throw the last three years of effort down the drain. So could a lot of us under the right circumstances but I don't know anyone who would consider that a victory in any sense of the word.

That's an example of bass ackwards thinking at its worst IMO....and it certainly explains some of the comments I've read on this thread.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

The only reason I front upon non-smokers taking up vaping has nothing to do with nicotine but more so the flavorings. While I believe that whatever I vape is far safer than my old smoking habit I can't say for sure with 100% certainty that it is harmless. Just as I can't say with any certainty they are.

And if I had a brand new pair of lungs and was just looking for a "boost" as you said I would look somewhere else besides vaping. Having said that you're an adult so knock yourself out, just don't get upset later on if there are side effects from it.

 

[AndriaD]

Advising someone not to start using nicotine,especially if they've never used it before, is hardly an hysterical lie.

At it's core, its just good general advice coupled with common sense.

It's only "common sense" if one accepts the lies that have been told about nicotine for decades. In fact, it's exactly like telling someone who's never had caffeine not to ever have a cup of coffee, or they'll be a "caffeine junkie" for life. Nicotine is only "massively addictive" in the presence of all the other crap in cigarette smoke, such as MAOIs. Isolated, it's no more "addictive" than caffeine. But certainly I would never tell a never-smoker to try WTA.

As far as your last comment goes, I would hardly call that "capable", much less praise someone for it.

I could backslide and smoke a few cigarettes if I wanted to throw the last three years of effort down the drain. So could a lot of us under the right circumstances but I don't know anyone who would consider that a victory in any sense of the word.

Actually I kinda agree, and I learned last summer that I can never be a moderate smoker, so I'll let Jman handle that part, if he even wants to -- it's not really relevant to this thread. If it was possible for me to be a moderate or very light smoker, I probably would -- but I am far too much an addict to pretty much anything and everything, coupled with my smoking relapse last summer, to ever try it again -- for me it's impossible.

Andria

 

[coilburner]

I sure as hell hope this has been discussed already but the negatives about vaping isn't know yet as far as chemicals and long term effects go. For all we know it could be as harmful as smoking. I willing to bet there are serious harmful effects of vaping. Why would anyone want to subject them selves to this potentially harmful alternative is beyond me. However little it costs, and depending on how much shinyitis you have it could cost a fair amount, it is an extra expense that is not a necessity. Why someone would subject them selves to an extra, unnecessary expense is also beyond me.

 

[zapped]

I sure as hell hope this has been discussed already but the negatives about vaping isn't know yet as far as chemicals and long term effects go. For all we know it could be as harmful as smoking. I willing to bet there are serious harmful effects of vaping. Why would anyone want to subject them selves to this potentially harmful alternative is beyond me. However little it costs, and depending on how much shinyitis you have it could cost a fair amount, it is an extra expense that is not a necessity. Why someone would subject them selves to an extra, unnecessary expense is also beyond me.

Damned Hipsters

 

[coilburner]

Damned Hipsters

Im confused. You liked my post then made this comment quoting the post you liked. Whos the damn hipsters in this case?

 

[zapped]

Im confused. You liked my post then made this comment quoting the post you liked. Whos the damn hipsters in this case?

I was attempting to answer your question as to who would willingly incur an extra added added expense and/or take up a habit that could be potentially harmful.

 

[coilburner]

I was attempting to answer your question as to who would willingly incur an extra added added expense and/or take up a habit that could be potentially harmful.

Right on.

 

[zapped]

It's only "common sense" if one accepts the lies that have been told about nicotine for decades. In fact, it's exactly like telling someone who's never had caffeine not to ever have a cup of coffee, or they'll be a "caffeine junkie" for life. Nicotine is only "massively addictive" in the presence of all the other crap in cigarette smoke, such as MAOIs. Isolated, it's no more "addictive" than caffeine. But certainly I would never tell a never-smoker to try WTA.

Andria

I wouldnt recommend someone trying caffeine if theyve never used it before either Andrea.

Have you ever tried to quit caffeine?

I have and let me tell you the withdrawal headaches are unbearable, especially for someone who doesnt ever get headaches.

Caffeine doesnt really have a parallel with cigarettes like vaping does.You either drink coffee/soda or you dont.There is no caffeine "light" or healthier alternative to caffeine.

There is a danger here that someone will try vaping with nicotine and THEN start smoking.Instead of the other way around.

Thats a perversion of what many of us see as a miracle and thats why we have such a vehement reaction against it.

 

[VNeil]

I sure as hell hope this has been discussed already but the negatives about vaping isn't know yet as far as chemicals and long term effects go. For all we know it could be as harmful as smoking. I willing to bet there are serious harmful effects of vaping. Why would anyone want to subject them selves to this potentially harmful alternative is beyond me. However little it costs, and depending on how much shinyitis you have it could cost a fair amount, it is an extra expense that is not a necessity. Why someone would subject them selves to an extra, unnecessary expense is also beyond me.

I know... it really bothers me when I see people eating out at restaurants, for example, when they could be home saving money. Stuff like that just kills me. I get ulcers thinking about all the people out enjoying themselves and spending money unnecessarily.

 

[coilburner]

I know... it really bothers me when I see people eating out at restaurants, for example, when they could be home saving money. Stuff like that just kills me. I get ulcers thinking about all the people out enjoying themselves and spending money unnecessarily.

But at least eating, by its self, is a necessity. They are just enjoying what they have to do anyways. Completely apples to oranges.

 

[AndriaD]

I wouldnt recommend someone trying caffeine if theyve never used it before either Andrea.

Have you ever tried to quit caffeine?

I've done it quite a few times in my life; the first time was the hardest, off a 10-cup-a-day coffee habit, and yes, the headache is dreadful... but it's certainly not the end of the world, nor anything like the total misery of cigarette withdrawal. In about 3 days, it's over completely... cigarette withdrawal goes on and on and on and... every minute of the day, even while sleeping, dreaming of smoking. An order of magnitude (or several!) over caffeine withdrawal.

Andria

ETA: if you really think someone would "start smoking" after vaping... I'd really hate to taste your ejuice. As far as I'm concerned, it's on a par with deciding you like a certain restaurant so raiding their dumpster seems like a reasonable idea.

And in fact, it's NOT happening. There IS NO gateway, except the gateway OUT of smoking.

We are not comparing caffeine with smoking; we're comparing it to VAPING. Plain nicotine, no MAOIs, no CO, none of the other alkaloids. And that comparison is quite apt.

 

[bluecat]

But at least eating, by its self, is a necessity. They are just enjoying what they have to do anyways. Completely apples to oranges.

Not really. He/she highlight the "Why someone would subject them selves to an extra, unnecessary expense is also beyond me." You could save much more by eating at home.

Apples to apples.

 

[VNeil]

But at least eating, by its self, is a necessity. They are just enjoying what they have to do anyways. Completely apples to oranges.

You just crack me up

 

[zapped]

I've done it quite a few times in my life; the first time was the hardest, off a 10-cup-a-day coffee habit, and yes, the headache is dreadful... but it's certainly not the end of the world, nor anything like the total misery of cigarette withdrawal. In about 3 days, it's over completely... cigarette withdrawal goes on and on and on and... every minute of the day, even while sleeping, dreaming of smoking. An order of magnitude (or several!) over caffeine withdrawal.

Andria

ETA: if you really think someone would "start smoking" after vaping... I'd really hate to taste your ejuice. As far as I'm concerned, it's on a par with deciding you like a certain restaurant so raiding their dumpster seems like a reasonable idea.

And in fact, it's NOT happening. There IS NO gateway, except the gateway OUT of smoking.

We are not comparing caffeine with smoking; we're comparing it to VAPING. Plain nicotine, no MAOIs, no CO, none of the other alkaloids. And that comparison is quite apt.

Actually my juice is quite delicious. Ive been fortunate enough to try HUNDREDS of different flavors in the 6+ years that Ive been vaping. When I started vaping a made a conscious decision to stay away from tobacco flavored juices.Not everyone likes fruity, sweet or dessert flavors however.

And I've been around long enough to know that if someone isnt prepared, if their vape goes out, the battery dies, the coil stops working in their tank or they run out of ejuice, then thay may be tempted to bum a cigarette off of someone. ESPECIALLY if they dont know the dangers of smoking firsthand.

YOU dont think that theres a gateway but that doesnt mean there isnt. Obviously the gate is cracked if someone who has never smoked before is contemplating vaping with nicotine.....and people are foolishly encouraging it here....of all places.

 

[coilburner]

Not really. He/she highlight the "Why someone would subject them selves to an extra, unnecessary expense is also beyond me." You could save much more by eating at home.

Apples to apples.

Well considering there are plenty of reason to eat out, such as not being in an area where you can make a home cooked meal, like visiting somewhere, you may have to eat out. Because of factors like this its not apple to apples. My point was more of the necessity aspect rather than the extra expense.

 

[bluecat]

Well considering there are plenty of reason to eat out, such as not being in an area where you can make a home cooked meal, like visiting somewhere, you may have to eat out. Because of factors like this its not apple to apples. My point was more of the necessity aspect rather than the extra expense.

Eating out is a necessity? I get eating is a necessity.

So how about breathing? It is a necessity, so we are enhancing that with vapor.

 

[HighPlainsPuffer]

What a strange discussion. I find it interesting that had I been a pack a day smoker before trying vaping than vaping is ok, but if I try vaping as a way to take in nicotine to avoid smoking it's frowned upon.

Personally I was a non-smoker that dabbled in RYO for a little bit but found the entire ciggy to be too much, and I wanted a more consistent intake than one rollie in the evening. So I tried my gf's vape, which she used to quit smoking, and I rather enjoyed it.

Here I am! My gf and I do enjoy a good handrolled cigar with backyard grown tobacco here and there, but since that was fun before I started vaping I don't add to any dangerous statistics that the government will use against us, right?

 

[ReigntheGamer]

"Non-smokers taking up vaping, could it be more alluring than tobacco?" Tonight on channel (insert random number here) news. Then for good measure toss in some quotes from people looking for a high, buzz, or boost from nicotine.

Which is funny to me because we can't discuss (other) but we sure as heck can encourage people to pick up vaping for a "buzz". But have no fear I am sure the dreaded ANTZ watching this forum for links to illicit substances with skim right over that and not mention it. /sarcasm off