Vaping nicotine as a never-smoker, why not?
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No, you do not know that, as fact. Nor can you. You have been told that, over and over. Repeating something endlessly does not make it true. Ask Stalin. Neither you, nor I nor anyone else in the public can possibly know exactly what cocktail of chemicals in the cigs we smoked made us so dependent. The people that know (BT) are not talking.
This is the difference between fact and ideology.
Interestingly, it is people like Unixunderground that will test the theory of nicotine dependence. The fact that they are so discouraged by a certain segment suggests to me that some people simply do not want to know the truth. They want to believe what they believe.
Yes, I have no doubt you hear the same lie you repeated to me, "all the time, at least once a week". That is called the power of propaganda. It was Joseph Stalin that was attributed to have said "if you repeat the same lie over and over, they will believe it". What he didn't bother to add is that "they" will not only come to believe it, "they" will repeat the same lie, over and over, as truth.
And that is why I am demanding links to actual, factual, first hand accounts of never smoking vapers bumming cigs when their mods fail.
I think you are repeating the same tired lie, over and over, and insisting (or confusing) it as fact. And next week someone will repeat the same lie, insisting it as fact, and "I hear about it all the time". And they will be thinking about what you said here, your unsubstantiated allegation. You are just a cog in the big propaganda wheel. But you are in your own matrix, unaware of the wheel, even when when someone shows you a picture of it.
I am so amazed at not just the level of propagandization here, but the inability of people to accept it, even when confronted with it. For me it is breathtaking, astounding. As a species, we are no more advanced than primitive tribes ogling over the first mariners that sailed to their shores, in magic vessels, speaking in hushed tones about the magic powers of the alien beings.
Resulting in statements like this, from earlier in the thread:
"For all we know it could be as harmful as smoking"
"I (sic) willing to bet there are serious harmful effects of vaping"
Another of my favorites, from another recent thread:
"But there is no way that vaping can be safer than not vaping. There must be some downsides to vaping."
Never before have I seen a group of people so firmly committed in their beliefs, despite an absolute and total lack of any evidence. The truth does not matter, in fact, the truth just incites them into heightened fury. Not just inner beliefs that they keep to themselves, but beliefs they push on everyone they encounter, insisting it is some sort of truth. People here believe that just because they believe something, despite no evidence whatsoever, that somehow it becomes some Ultimate Truth that others must follow.
It is common knowledge why people invoke this reference thanks to Simon Wiesenthal.
I'm not addicted to nicotine. I have just used it everyday for the past 45 years because I enjoy the boost (facial palming teeth grin]
Cause all the kids are going it and those cute lil gummie bear ejuice bottles are so totally killer awesome let alone those Hello Kitty drip [emoji13] tips
Believing that The Great Nicotine Myth article is fact is one of the bigger myths on ECF...LOL.I agree, but that msg about "evil nicotine" has been spewed by "public health" for so long and so diligently, you can't really blame people for having such erroneous ideas about nicotine -- I had the same wrong thinking when I got here, and was directed to read The Great Nicotine Myth and All You Need To Know About Nicotine and Is Nicotine Addictive ? and quite a few other great articles about nicotine, containing *actual facts* instead of hysterical lies.
The sad ones are those who've been around here for a while and still haven't read those articles, and are still spewing hysterical lies about nicotine.
Moderation in everything really is key -- and Jman may be the only one around here who can tell you the truth about that, as he seems to be the only one around here capable of actually *smoking* in moderation, assisted by vaping. I don't think I'm capable of that myself, but moderate vaping? Certainly. I smoked for 39 yrs, finally quit a year ago thx to e-cigs, and use just 5ml of 9mg ejuice daily.
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Because they've had over a hundred years to figure it out. It is their business to know about the product they sell, and how best to maintain demand for their product. We do know they are quite good at that. We do not know what they know, but I think we can safely assume they know many things we do not know. They know the WHY behind each chemical additive. We don't. More importantly they've had 100 years to study natural tobacco, before they added their "improvements".
We all have an open mind here. Look forward to hearing the facts behind your statement, discrediting the articles.
Yea it's "all the other stuff" in stinkies that are addictive - the alkaloids....as I walk out of my house with my mod and atty, 3 bottles of juice, 4 batteries and 3 back up mods and not having smoked a stinkie since May 2014....oh yea it's not the nicotine it's the keeping busy with my hands (faceplam, teeth grin)
At least we have moved on from Hitler to Stalin so progress, not perfection[emoji41]
You are using your life experience, as a long time smoker, to frame your opinion of the effect of nicotine on never smokers. Good critical thinking there.
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An even harder question... how can we allow such free access to caffeine, a substance with almost identical characteristics (except mostly lacking in the proven potential health benefits of nicotine)?
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Your cigars, even if they don't have al the chemicals added to cigs, still have the full spectrum of substances naturally contained in tobacco. It's not valid to compare whole tobacco to isolated nicotine.
There are so many options in the "broken mod" scenario -
Go without. For me, if I stay engaged in some other activity, I can forget to vape for hours.
Pop into any store with a pharmacy and pick up NRT gum or lozenges
Oh wait, that same store probably has NJOY or Vuse or whatever, so do gas stations
Worst case, bum a cig from someone, find it disgusting compared to vaping (remember we're talking never smokers here) and go right back to vaping as soon as you have working vape gear again.
It is not beyond the realm of possibility that pigs will rise up and fly. But we do not normally frame our world views upon what is or isn't within "a realm of possibility". Otherwise air traffic controllers would be on constant alert for errant pigs on their radar screens.
It is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that a disgruntled spouse would pick up a kitchen knife and kill his/her spouse. But we do not regulate or lock up all the knives. I could come up with so many more. Why is there such a lack of critical thinking here?
You do realize that this "realm of possibility" philosophy is what drives the effort to restrict or eliminate your access to open system vaping? Why do you feel compelled to carry their water for them? Do you not understand how you are shooting yourself in the foot with a 50 cal?
Always from EX-smokers. Usually early in their attempts to switch to vaping. After it happens once, they often start carrying spares.
Where are the non-smokers with the that same level of addiction?
1. Nicotine is known to help relieve stress
2. Nicotine is known to help relieve depression
3. Nicotine is known to help alleviate the symptoms of a variety of neurological diseases, including dementia and Parkinsons.
4. Nicotine is known to help relieve symptoms of "senior moments", not to be confused with dementia.
5. Nicotine is known to increase alertness and concentration
In fact, nicotine does this without any of the sometimes dreadful side effects of most or all the (very expensive) drugs typically used for those purposes. Hmmmm....
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