As far as original op goes, I understand but it does no good for the vaping community in general. With what's happening in uk at mo, we should all show some respect to others (uneducated(on subject of e cig)or not). I was in a curry house last week, asked to vape, and manager said no problem. Busy restaurant and all 4 of us were vaping away and nobody said anything as they must have more important things to worry about. But if he said no, wouldn't of changed our evening, as in we'd have gone outside.
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The more you act like it is smoking the more it will be treated as if it was smoking. If you take your self to the approved smoking area at work at the bar then all the people there are going to consider it smoking. You can try and be as polite as you want to be in an effort to "protect" your right to vape but in the end the politicians and lobbyists are going to do what ever the hell they want to as they have for the last 100 years in the country. As someone above all ready said perception is reality if you give off the perception that it is the same as smoking by your actions it will be treated as if it was smoking by those that dont know any better.
And I just wrote another 6 sentences in a even more rambely manner and am now going to bed I have no business talking to people when I am this tired....
And I just wrote another 6 sentences in a even more rambely manner and am now going to bed I have no business talking to people when I am this tired....
I doubt the Taco Bell signs were inspired by someone asking for permission to vape and then politely refraining when asked not to.
One thing to be careful of is that there are no children etc in the room, in which case it is just courtesy not to vape/smoke at all..
Yeah, as others have said, I always ask and educate during the dialogue. I have found that most people don't know about vaping and are intrigued by our gear, juice, etc. Does it have nicotine in it? How much did that (my mod) cost? I've gotten a lot of people to quit smoking by promoting good manners and telling them about the benefits of vaping. The latest reports now support our beliefs about the harmlessness of vaping:
New E-cigarette Study Shows No Risk from Environmental Vapor Exposure.
Best of luck to you. Remember, the fake coughs show their ignorance, and don't influence my vaping, other than to use good manners.
New E-cigarette Study Shows No Risk from Environmental Vapor Exposure.
Best of luck to you. Remember, the fake coughs show their ignorance, and don't influence my vaping, other than to use good manners.
Lots of food for thought here. I understand the importance of education and not being an @ssh@t which could negatively impact the entire vaping community. Will share positive and negative experiences here, hope you guys will do the same. Thanks for all the responses.
I find myself being just slightly less overtly courteous than when I was smoking analogs - where I did my best to remove myself from any congregating group of non-smokers to find some little spot of sidewalk where it'd bother as few people as possible. Now, I'll still refrain from vaping in businesses and go outside like I was having an actual cigarette, but I'm far less concerned with who might happen to walk into a vape-cloud that I just exhaled. At the end of the day, I just personally would like to avoid confrontation.
Thank you for sharing the study. Unfortunately, there will still be some here on ECF who will read this study and still state "that we just don't know" if vaping is safe for those near-by. We must have 20 - 30 years of studies before we can state that "maybe" it is safe, but even then, lets not take any chances and we should only vape in dark corners or with smokers.
Nah... there are still a lot of classy folks around... lots on this thread. Class is ageless.
I think that goes hand in hand with vaping openly but respectfully.
I will always ask permission if I am in a bar or restaurant that doesn't allow smoking. And I will sometimes take it a step further and ask those in the table beside me if they mind if we vape. Sometimes they say no, sometimes they say yes, and once I even introduced someone to vaping and they stopped smoking after 15 years. My friends and I had someone at a close by table that thought we must be doing drugs or something since they saw the vapor. 
My grandmother was one of them, and she forbid me from vaping when we were out in public because she thought other older folks would think I was doing something wrong. In her mind, it's all about the perception of others!
I don't mind taking a little extra time to educate someone that may not understand the difference. I also don't mind being polite about it until more people are aware of what we're doing and understand that it is not the same as smoking.
My grandmother was one of them, and she forbid me from vaping when we were out in public because she thought other older folks would think I was doing something wrong. In her mind, it's all about the perception of others!I don't mind taking a little extra time to educate someone that may not understand the difference. I also don't mind being polite about it until more people are aware of what we're doing and understand that it is not the same as smoking.
There is a smell.
Is there any nicotine left in the vapor you exhale? Yes there is.
Can someone around you breath in your exhaled vapor and take in nicotine into their lungs? Yes they can.
Does the exhaled vapor just magically disappear when you exhale it? No, and if you are in doors it will stick to anything around you (Just ask my computer fans) just like smoke does.
Is Vaping safe for you? No. Its safer than smoking analogs.
Is nicotine safe for you? No. It constricts blood vessels which increases blood pressure and heart rate.
Do you know if the person standing next to you has high blood pressure or a heart rate problem? no.
So why would you think you wouldn't have to be courteous around others just because "It's Not Smoke"?
As for smell. When I vape my strawberry juice or Watermelon one in the car the hubby is constantly telling me I am making him hungry with the smell. So there is one. It might be more pleasant but it IS there.
I've been vaping for about 18 months and I have seen a change in that time in people's awareness of the whole idea of what vaping is all about. I will not sit in a crowded restaurant and start puffing clouds of vapor because I know that a certain percentage of folks are still going to assume that you are smoking -but as vaping becomes more and more commonplace, more people will realize that you are not smoking.
As a long time smoker, finishing a meal is a trigger to light up. As a vaper, when I finish a meal, I will take out my PV and take a few puffs without blowing plumes of vapor for other diners to see.
My wife and I dine out pretty regularly and she certainly appreciates the fact that I no longer leave her at table after a meal to go out "for a few puffs"
As a long time smoker, finishing a meal is a trigger to light up. As a vaper, when I finish a meal, I will take out my PV and take a few puffs without blowing plumes of vapor for other diners to see.
My wife and I dine out pretty regularly and she certainly appreciates the fact that I no longer leave her at table after a meal to go out "for a few puffs"
First of all, I am always courteous, to a fault actually. It would appear that either what I vape or how I do it is different from many people here. See below.
As a researcher by trade, I don't trust much that is not sourced. What you're saying may or may not be true and it might be too soon to know at all. Where did you get your info?
I can assure you there is no smell to mine because everyone I've vaped around has not been able to smell it. I asked them all because I was curious! These folks are not shy and would have told me.
As I said before, my vapor is not very much, significantly less than my smoke was by comparison. I always use my eGo on the lowest setting of the 3, only have 50vp/50gp juices and all are 0 or 6mg. Don't know if that's what's making the difference. I guess I'll watch some YouTube vids and see if the difference is in my form.
This is just plain BS!! There have been 3 studies that show the amount of nicotine in exhaled vaper is at the "trace" level or less. You will get more nicotine from eating a half of a tomato than what you would get from exhaled vapor and that is only if someone blew it right in your face. Where do you come up with this BS from. In fact I asked my cardiologist this very question due to silly posts like yours. He just smiled and shook his head. He stated that the miniscule amount of nicotine that might be in vapor would not even harm someone with a heart condition. He said otherwise he would have to tell his serious patients to stop eating tomatos.
Please stop with these type of scare posts that does nothing but feeds misinformation.
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While I have never asked permission to vape, I have had people ask about it. When I am asked, I politely inform them about vaping, and how delightfully safe and odor-free it is, amongst other things. Usually I have a nicotine-free loaded e-cig with me when I go out in public as well as my regular one. I have often offered to let folks try the non-nicotine e-cig as a part of the discussion. I have yet to have it go over badly, even when I am approached by someone who assumes it is a real cigarette. For the record, I have vaped in hospitals freely, and without troubles. I'm not in-your-face about it at all, I just don't bother to warn people about my desire to vape. Since it is so innocent and harmless to others, I simply treat vaping the same way I would treat bringing out a pad and paper to draw. Sometimes people want to know what I'm drawing too, and I'm happy to talk about that as well. *chuckle*
Not a scare post, basic common sense like these:
I vape myself...hello?
Was your doctor one of the people who conducted one of those 3 studies? No. That covers 3 common sense statements I made.
Did your doctor tell you vaping was 100% safe for you(or anyone) to do? No. Vaping hasn't been around log enough to study it at the biological or neurological level yet.
Did your doctor tell you nicotine is 100% safe to inhale or consume? No. Educate people that tomatoes have trace amounts of nicotine and people might consider not eating them.
Would your doctor put his practice on the line and say yes to any of the 3 above questions in a court of law? No.
To negate your doctors advise: My grandmother's doctor"S"(3) told all of us(her family) not to smoke OR vape any where near her because it would cause even more complication with her high blood pressure,asthma and diabetes.
If you were sitting next to her in a public enclosed space vaping; would you know she had any of those conditions? No.
I am all for CASAA and the awesome work that they do on behalf of us vapers, and have made donations. What I am not for are people who assume that vaping gives them self entitlement to vape any where they please just because studies have been and are being done on the subject.
Vape Loud! and Vape Proud! but using common sense and some courtesy toward other who don't vape or even know what vaping is. I see the fight going better trying to convert more smokers than to try and educate and argue with non-smokers/non-vapors at this stage in the game at our(the vapers) level. You need an army to win the war against the Anti's, because they already have an army with Big Tobacco and Big Pharma fueling them. Smokers are changing to vaping at a huge growing rate(reason why BT are making e-cigs or buying vaping companies), take advantage of that right now and help convert more to our side at the social level and let CASAA fight the the political and medical battle. That is what they are there for.
I also believe that we should be supporting and buying from vendors who support CASAA and us the vapors. Not the ones who could care less about us and just want to make millions of dollars off of vapers by selling us knock offs and crappy quality products.
All of this is just my opinion, I am aloud to have that here right?
I vape myself...hello?
Was your doctor one of the people who conducted one of those 3 studies? No. That covers 3 common sense statements I made.
Did your doctor tell you vaping was 100% safe for you(or anyone) to do? No. Vaping hasn't been around log enough to study it at the biological or neurological level yet.
Did your doctor tell you nicotine is 100% safe to inhale or consume? No. Educate people that tomatoes have trace amounts of nicotine and people might consider not eating them.
Would your doctor put his practice on the line and say yes to any of the 3 above questions in a court of law? No.
To negate your doctors advise: My grandmother's doctor"S"(3) told all of us(her family) not to smoke OR vape any where near her because it would cause even more complication with her high blood pressure,asthma and diabetes.
If you were sitting next to her in a public enclosed space vaping; would you know she had any of those conditions? No.
I am all for CASAA and the awesome work that they do on behalf of us vapers, and have made donations. What I am not for are people who assume that vaping gives them self entitlement to vape any where they please just because studies have been and are being done on the subject.
Vape Loud! and Vape Proud! but using common sense and some courtesy toward other who don't vape or even know what vaping is. I see the fight going better trying to convert more smokers than to try and educate and argue with non-smokers/non-vapors at this stage in the game at our(the vapers) level. You need an army to win the war against the Anti's, because they already have an army with Big Tobacco and Big Pharma fueling them. Smokers are changing to vaping at a huge growing rate(reason why BT are making e-cigs or buying vaping companies), take advantage of that right now and help convert more to our side at the social level and let CASAA fight the the political and medical battle. That is what they are there for.
I also believe that we should be supporting and buying from vendors who support CASAA and us the vapors. Not the ones who could care less about us and just want to make millions of dollars off of vapers by selling us knock offs and crappy quality products.
All of this is just my opinion, I am aloud to have that here right?
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