Vaping superiority?

[dripster]

I was going to post very much along the same line as you did here Anna. IMO if someone can benefit from a treatment that has no potentially negative side effects, that's a win all the way.

Now, if I could just get it to work on me

A specialist tried to use the placebo effect on me once. It didn't help me. My frustration about the fact it didn't help, in cohort with the fact I later found out that what she tried to use on me was the placebo effect, was what eventually got me to become an addict. Which is how I found out that there most definitely can be negative side effects. Of course people don't HAVE to take my word on this. (Instead, I'll just be happy enough KNOWING it is true...)

 

[NealBJr]

Get it in the DSM, some one wants to bill for treatment. Color me a skeptic, not a scoffer, but definitely a skeptic. I am particularly skeptical when "studies suggest" and then fail to tell us how much sugar per day per kilo of body weight these animals received or what else they were given to consume. It reminds me of the cyclamate studies that got it banned on 1970.

...and that is why it is so hard to explain what addiction, and especially the effects of sugar. Every body reacts differently to chemicals. If you take a group of people who have headaches, and gave them all 400mg of ibuprofen...many will find their headache is cured. Some, it will do nothing, it will upset some people's stomach, It will be an overdose to a 1 year old, and it won't have an effect on that 400lb person. For the lethargic person, it will last for a while, for the person with a high metabolism, it won't last nearly as long....

So.... When something says "studies suggest", you still need to take it with a grain of salt... but... you should still take it into consideration. On that link I posted, they did say they gave large amounts. The idea of that study was not to prove that sugar is a bad substance, or taking X amount of sugar is bad... just that there are consequences and behavioral changes when abused...and they posted that in the article.

 

[stols001]

You didn't say it was simple or easy but YOU DARN SURE did say you were NOT addicted and you KNEW the difference and etc. and how "they thought" giving shallow and superficial examples.

If you do not understand that food addiction is a rather large problem in the USA and now globally, and you have DIABETES MAN?

I totally take it back about an addict marrying you.... You're worse off than her, most likely.

Someone asked if he had a degree in epidemiology when he suggested one might push my mother into a bus.

OMG dripster was a TOTAL mystery to me now like REALLY. Now I just get why sometimes he is sane and at others off his ROCKER. We had a physics teacher like that, total genius, Type I diabetic, poorly managed, he would just start cursing at ALL of us, and like, then there would be a chorus of "Mr. So and So did you forget to take your insulin again?"
And he'd start muttering about "nuclear fission and repeatability and cussing a lot" and we'd take turns to lead him to like, the nurse's office. Total genius and adorable guy but like, he would go OFF.

Man, I loved my high school. LOL.

Um so Dripster, type I or Type II. I am guessing type II. So if you would like to discover and recover from your food addiction there is only one twelve step group that works, and it's called "Recovery from Food Addiction" and I went a while, well it's a long story. BUT you need the 12 step meetings so you don't KILL yourself. People actually passed around before and after pics and it WORKS, like you lose weight and you get healthy. There is this book and the woman (happened to be a SW) was like "I cannot promise you will be at your thinnest, you credulous anorexics, but you will have HEALTH."

It worked. For the time I did it and you need your creator like to help you not die as you are measuring out ounces of chicken breast. No prepared anything, and all whole natural foods in the right proportion. There was this whole section about like, ordering from restaurants and how to explain to your family you were bringing your OWN food to the meal and other crap.:

I have NEVER thought as much about food as I did then,. but it turns out my never feeling full feelings were from a med. I thought I had bulimia, seriously, but I did not.

I would recommend it to you if you want to beat your "addiction" though. No offense,

Anna

Placebo effect-- I guess you need a double blind criminal trial in the condition you are facing and like, a criminal friend ready to switch pills. IDK.

 

[dripster]

...then if you are a diabetic.....why didn't you just cut down on the amount of sugar intake... it's that simple...right? When you were Pre-diabetic....Did you cut down then? No, you let it get to full grown diabetes.

Sometimes you are an addict and don't realize it. Just because the substance is considered safe, natural, and non habit forming does not mean you cannot get addicted to it. Also, denial beyond proof is a true form of addiction.

No, I never said it is that simple. It isn't. The reason why I know I never was addicted to sugar is simply because I frequently did cut down on the amount of sugar intake, a whole lot actually, and for long periods of time, yet, despite this, I never experienced any withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. I know sugar has the potential to become addictive. Immediately as soon as my dietician had told me what I needed to do to get my blood sugar to come down, I followed her advice, and I never felt any cravings. Ever. Within two months my blood sugar had already come down, effortlessly, from 14 before to just 5.7 after (when the goal was just to get below 7) so this is clear enough evidence for me to conclude I wasn't addicted to sugar. I think you might be addicted to the type of behavior known as grasping at straws.

 

[dripster]

You didn't say it was simple or easy but YOU DARN SURE did say you were NOT addicted and you KNEW the difference and etc. and how "they thought" giving shallow and superficial examples.

If you do not understand that food addiction is a rather large problem in the USA and now globally, and you have DIABETES MAN?

I totally take it back about an addict marrying you.... You're worse off than her, most likely.

Someone asked if he had a degree in epidemiology when he suggested one might push my mother into a bus.

OMG dripster was a TOTAL mystery to me now like REALLY. Now I just get why sometimes he is sane and at others off his ROCKER. We had a physics teacher like that, total genius, Type I diabetic, poorly managed, he would just start cursing at ALL of us, and like, then there would be a chorus of "Mr. So and So did you forget to take your insulin again?"
And he'd start muttering about "nuclear fission and repeatability and cussing a lot" and we'd take turns to lead him to like, the nurse's office. Total genius and adorable guy but like, he would go OFF.

Man, I loved my high school. LOL.

Um so Dripster, type I or Type II. I am guessing type II. So if you would like to discover and recover from your food addiction there is only one twelve step group that works, and it's called "Recovery from Food Addiction" and I went a while, well it's a long story. BUT you need the 12 step meetings so you don't KILL yourself. People actually passed around before and after pics and it WORKS, like you lose weight and you get healthy. There is this book and the woman (happened to be a SW) was like "I cannot promise you will be at your thinnest, you credulous anorexics, but you will have HEALTH."

It worked. For the time I did it and you need your creator like to help you not die as you are measuring out ounces of chicken breast. No prepared anything, and all whole natural foods in the right proportion. There was this whole section about like, ordering from restaurants and how to explain to your family you were bringing your OWN food to the meal and other crap.:

I have NEVER thought as much about food as I did then,. but it turns out my never feeling full feelings were from a med. I thought I had bulimia, seriously, but I did not.

I would recommend it to you if you want to beat your "addiction" though. No offense,

Anna

Placebo effect-- I guess you need a double blind criminal trial in the condition you are facing and like, a criminal friend ready to switch pills. IDK.

I said (multiple times) I was addicted to smoking. Do you think you are addicted to hitting the reply button before reading my posts? Maybe they ought to include that in the DSM. Because, the same also applies to your comment re "food addiction", among numerous other senseless remarks you've made so far. Scroll up.

 

[NealBJr]

Do you think you are addicted to hitting the reply button before reading my posts? Maybe they ought to include that in the DSM. Because, the same also applies to your comment re "food addiction", among numerous other senseless remarks you've made so far. Scroll up.

I think you might be addicted to the type of behavior known as grasping at straws.

You know.... I am going to stop replying to your posts...you're quite rude.

 

[dripster]

You know.... I am going to stop replying to your posts...you're quite rude.

Oooohh, look who's talking. LOL!

 

[stols001]

I hadn't read its awesomeness quite yet. LOL.

I am addicted to the thought that there may be a REASON for how oddly weird and horrible you are but I believe I no longer need to know it.

Push my mother into a bus? WTH? What is WRONG with you?

Etc.

Anna

 

[GOMuniEsq]

I was talking on my company's reddit, and I mentioned the Placebo effect as a cause for something, and it got so many downvotes. Very few people actually believe in the Placebo effect.

The reason it works is that people don't believe in it. Tread carefully.

 

[evan le'garde]

One of the key important factors is that not all addicts necessarily want to quit so they don't try to, or if they do, they possess neither the means nor the knowledge required to try it properly so then, what chance do they have to stay quit, and, if they experience withdrawal symptoms so badly that they don't actually even have to try to quit to experience these horrific symptoms anyway, then seriously what's your point? Do you mean to tell me that the fact they already are well aware that they can't see how to stay quit is not a valid reason for them to not want to try to quit? In the vast majority of cases they just don't see how it would be at all possible for them to quit and stay quit after that, even if they still have at least some hope for a better future buried someplace deep down in the back of their head.

They associate the thought of quitting with feeling so overwhelmingly miserable that not wanting to quit essentially becomes the only effective way for them to not have to deal with that feeling, i.e. to escape from feeling sick and tormented with agony by continuing the old habit of getting their next "fix". The simple fact you don't have any sympathy for that is the core reason why you're obviously not helping them. It's because you fail to see that which is required to help them. In fact locking them up behind closed doors in rehab very often also fails, in part because rehab is where they typically meet other addicts who encourage them to relapse. If there was more sympathy, maybe people like Amy Winehouse would be alive today. R.I.P. Amy

An individual doesn't have to be using any kind of substance to be miserable. Things happen in life for someone to feel that way anyway. Problem with those who use various substances is that they can now blame everything that happens in life on that substance, and they do !. I've heard it, and heard it, over and over and over again. Everything !, and i mean everything is now associated with whatever substance they are abusing.

I suppose some people enjoy watching their life implode.

I don't blame how i feel one day to the next on anything but the weather, the most fundamental influence on anyone's life. Some people blame that on god. When we all know it's Mother Nature.......The WITCH...

 

[dripster]

I hadn't read its awesomeness quite yet. LOL.

I am addicted to the thought that there may be a REASON for how oddly weird and horrible you are but I believe I no longer need to know it.

Push my mother into a bus? WTH? What is WRONG with you?

Etc.

Anna

Under the bus, not into the bus. Also, you don't know what figurative speech means? And you don't have the capacity to understand it was obviously just a joke? I think I'm starting to get what's wrong with you. You constantly keep acting like I said certain stuff when the reality is that everyone can see the fact I never said them. It's called being deluded. So that's your problem.

 

[dripster]

An individual doesn't have to be using any kind of substance to be miserable. Things happen in life for someone to feel that way anyway. Problem with those who use various substances is that they can now blame everything that happens in life on that substance, and they do !. I've heard it, and heard it, over and over and over again. Everything !, and i mean everything is now associated with whatever substance they are abusing.

I suppose some people enjoy watching their life implode.

I don't blame how i feel one day to the next on anything but the weather, the most fundamental influence on anyone's life. Some people blame that on god. When we all know it's Mother Nature.......The WITCH...

I use substances all the time. (But I didn't say I abuse them.) Without glucose, every person WILL die. Only after a person uses too much, can we start talking about the concept of abuse. Opinions of how much is too much, always tend to vary depending who you ask (and also depending WHEN you ask them, as we already discussed...). In and of itself, repetitiveness of use, or usage, isn't enough to conclude that what we see is a form of abuse. There must be at least some harm being observed before the term can be applied in logical ways that not only are logical, but also are sensibly so. And, no, just because self-administered drugs (think about the use of medicines) can have negative side effects, doesn't necessarily always make it abuse. For exampe, I don't abuse nicotine, nor glucose, nor insulin. The context also matters a lot. Only problem, you have created a discussion thread that attracts some certain individuals whose objective is to keep on ripping things out of their original context, who constantly are lying about what exactly it is that I wrote and didn't write, and who, with every reply that they post, are making it clearer the fact they are, rather severely, being deluded and incapable to understand what a delusion really means.

 

[dripster]

Delusional Disorder - Harvard Health

 

[Opinionated]

It would be interesting if someone made two bottles one with and one without nicotine. And you didn't know which was which.

When I quit nicotine I had to revamp all my recipes because nicotine makes your juice taste different than not using it at all, and I had literally no recipes that didn't need "fixed" when nicotine wasn't part of the mix.

Couple that with the fact that, at least I, had to chain vape to manage through withdrawal symptoms (albeit mild, unlike quitting smoking) and you would notice all the way around, even without the foreknowledge of which was which.

 

[Opinionated]

One of my friend on the other forum I visit said he had used vaping to quit cigarette,weed,cigar and shisha,it’s just so dam effective?
Last year when I was using Vape continuously for 6 month,my then gf suspected that I was high on .......,which I know I am not myself...

I have no idea what on earth this thread is about and I read the first two pages.

So. I will just say that vaping is absolutely 100% superior to smoking and is, in my honest opinion, superior to any NRT on the market today. I tried them all, and vaping is the only thing that actually worked for me.

I have no idea what anyone else is on about.... I smoked 2PAD for 32 years, and am smoke free thanks to vaping.

As far as what your girlfriend thinks, who cares? Does her opinion mean more than your life? I think not! You don't want to end up with copd in the future do you? I can promise you it's not fun.

 

[classwife]

Again people are posting out of bounds of the Forum Rules.
Topics and behavior to other members.
Closed thread