Vaping where smoking is not prohibited

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Robino1

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I don't get why vapors get soo offended when they are classified as smokers..

And why would anyone feel the need to HAVE to vape in stores and restaurants for anyway? Talk about self righteous people...

Regardless if its nicotine-less "water vapor" you are still producing an effect that effects others.

We have finally, finally(!) have quit smoking cigarettes. Many of us have been trying to do that many, many times, over many years. We have EARNED the right to say we are no longer Smokers! We have earned the right to not be treated in the same way as smokers. I HATE that smokers are looked upon as sinful people. If I thought for one instant that vaping was harming my family, I wouldn't vape inside. It's NOT.
 

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In a essence you are a smoker.

If e cigs produced no visible vapor I highly doubt that this would be a successful alternative to smoking. You may not be producing a property of combustion, but you are "smoking".

I am not a smoker because THERE IS NO SMOKE. Therefore you are wrong. My only decision at this point is weather or not you are being deliberately insulting by calling a vaper a smoker or are just obstinately refusing to understand a simple truth.

No smoke is produced.

If vaping = smoking then using an asthma inhaler = smoking after all both produce a vapor and in every way that counts simulates the action of smoking. Somehow I doubt you will go that far.
 

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I am not a smoker because THERE IS NO SMOKE. Therefore you are wrong. My only decision at this point is weather or not you are being deliberately insulting by calling a vaper a smoker or are just obstinately refusing to understand a simple truth.

No smoke is produced.

If vaping = smoking then using an asthma inhaler = smoking after all both produce a vapor and in every way that counts simulates the action of smoking. Somehow I doubt you will go that far.

Your are smoking. Look up the definition if your confused. You may not be smoking cigarettes per say...
 

Robino1

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If it makes you feel better then sure.

Why is it hookah smokers don't get offended by being acknowledged as "smoking hookah"? There is no combustion involved in it. Just hot charcoal heating up shisha.

Maybe they haven't been trying to quit a smoking habit for years and just maybe they use the hookah as a recreational thing. It's insulting to belittle something that was so difficult to switch over to. It's not like I switched the day I got my first ecig. It took me a while to finally break the smoking habit.

So, whatever.

Yeah, right. :sneaky:
 

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Maybe they haven't been trying to quit a smoking habit for years and just maybe they use the hookah as a recreational thing. It's insulting to belittle something that was so difficult to switch over to. It's not like I switched the day I got my first ecig. It took me a while to finally break the smoking habit.

So, whatever.

Yeah, right. :sneaky:

You broke the habit of smoking cigarettes. Not the act of.
 

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Your are smoking. Look up the definition if your confused. You may not be smoking cigarettes per say...

I occasionally decide to talk to a troll.

From merriam-webster

Definition of SMOKE

intransitive verb
1
a : to emit or exhale smoke
b : to emit excessive smoke
2
archaic : to undergo punishment : suffer
3
: to spread or rise like smoke
4
: to inhale and exhale the fumes of burning plant material and especially tobacco; especially : to smoke tobacco habitually

Definition 4. I do not do that anymore.
 

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Definition 4. I do not do that anymore.

smoke (smk)
n.
1. The vaporous system made up of small particles of carbonaceous matter in the air, resulting mainly from the burning of organic material, such as wood or coal.
2. A suspension of fine solid or liquid particles in a gaseous medium.
3. A cloud of fine particles.
4. Something insubstantial, unreal, or transitory.
 

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I agree that we need to be respectful and courteous about vaping but, it is not smoking and, if we act like smokers, it will continue to be seen as smoking.

As for the one up there ^^ that claims it is smoking, well then so is puffing out your breath in weather cold enough to make a cloud of vapor. No it isn't smoking.

What I don't see is why SOME vapers find it so hard to ask permission BEFORE vaping, and refrain if the owner or manager says no.

I ask and, I have been told no, at which point I try to make a time to explain and demonstrate it to the manager or owner, especially if it's a small business and won't have cooperate policies to deal with. So far, the issue has been that they simply did not know it didn't smell like smoke, was unlikely to trigger alarms, was not offensive smelling and, dissipated very quickly without leaving a residue on surfaces like smoking does. After making time to meet with them in private, vaping has been allowed on all but 2 occasions for me.

I respect those place and won't vape on the premises but, at least I am not simply giving in to being treated like or, identifying as a smoker when I am not one any longer.

If we don't educate the unaware to the differnces, most are going to go right on assuming it is smoking and, keep treating us like smokers.

Yes, if we vape w/o asking or where it is expressly forbidden, that's going to push for bans, and keeping us being treated like smokers too but, if we can be calm, respectful, honest, not hide it and, politely educate people, maybe, just maybe someday, a non vaper will readily say "Oh, you're a vaper, that's fine here."
 

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I agree that we need to be respectful and courteous about vaping but, it is not smoking and, if we act like smokers, it will continue to be seen as smoking.

As for the one up there ^^ that claims it is smoking, well then so is puffing out your breath in weather cold enough to make a cloud of vapor. No it isn't smoking.

What I don't see is why SOME vapers find it so hard to ask permission BEFORE vaping, and refrain if the owner or manager says no.

I ask and, I have been told no, at which point I try to make a time to explain and demonstrate it to the manager or owner, especially if it's a small business and won't have cooperate policies to deal with. So far, the issue has been that they simply did not know it didn't smell like smoke, was unlikely to trigger alarms, was not offensive smelling and, dissipated very quickly without leaving a residue on surfaces like smoking does. After making time to meet with them in private, vaping has been allowed on all but 2 occasions for me.

I respect those place and won't vape on the premises but, at least I am not simply giving in to being treated like or, identifying as a smoker when I am not one any longer.

If we don't educate the unaware to the differnces, most are going to go right on assuming it is smoking and, keep treating us like smokers.

Yes, if we vape w/o asking or where it is expressly forbidden, that's going to push for bans, and keeping us being treated like smokers too but, if we can be calm, respectful, honest, not hide it and, politely educate people, maybe, just maybe someday, a non vaper will readily say "Oh, you're a vaper, that's fine here."

Vaping will always be seen as smoking. Fact. Just as hookah is seen as smoking.
 

Penn

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smoke (smk)
n.
1. The vaporous system made up of small particles of carbonaceous matter in the air, resulting mainly from the burning of organic material, such as wood or coal.
2. A suspension of fine solid or liquid particles in a gaseous medium.
3. A cloud of fine particles.
4. Something insubstantial, unreal, or transitory.

That isn't the verb definition. Do you understand the difference between verb and noun? Perhaps you should look up those definitions.

ETA - definition 3 actually refers to fine particles of solid material. So even noun is inadequate
 
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