Vaping where smoking is not prohibited

[EddardinWinter]

You are so busy with the insults that you fail to see my point. You having rights takes rights away from others. Do you not see that? Your theory of entitlement should be allowed in your home if you own it. When you are out in public, you need to stop with the selfish wants of yourself and try to understand there are other people who want rights as well.


Edit to add

Your selfishness is the root of why it will continued to be banned. FDA has the wording in law to outright ban all ecigs, you best figure out something to meet halfway with, or we will all be out in the cold and I sir will blame people like you!

Please highlight my 'insults'. I counted one in your riposte to me. I highlighted it for you.

You already blame me, so please spare me your future threats of blame. I do not ask your approval or permission to oppose my enemies. My rights are not 'entitlements'. The FDA will take as much as they think they can. Only a projection of strength will prevent oppressive regulation by these facists. They banned vaping and seized private property when almost nobody vaped....so where was there reasonable response then? What 'entitlement theory' created the first FDA ban?

Do you even know the history of the 2009 ban and property seizure?

Only decisive legal action by an emergency alliance of vendors and subsequent action by CASAA has prevented our rights from being eroded and destroyed. Hoping the FDA will be nice is simply naive. Historically, the FDA has always taken as much as they think they can get away with. They only respect force.

 

[Crash Moses]

I do not agree with the fight any longer. It has become about one group gaining respect while telling someone else they have no rights. I am against disrespect. We can agree to disagree in this society. The thing that bugs me out, is that people think just cause one disagrees they are hated. The antz may have their theories on why it should be banned, but us going out there and acting like we should have a right to do what ever we want when ever we want is only hurting us.

As when we were all smokers, we didn't see the harm in smoking around others, now that we no longer smoke we see how it effected others. Are we looking at this with the same blinders on as we were with actual cigarettes?

I think it is disrespectful to think anyone should have to be around my vape because I know it is not as harmful as cigarettes. The truth though is that seriously we don't know. Especially when it comes to flavors!

I'm sorry, Freckle. Meaning no disrespect whatsoever I think you're barking up the wrong tree. The second we make what might seem to be a reasonable concession then we've lost that battle and likely the next. Our problems are not with droves of vapors dancing in the streets blowing huge clouds of vapor and screaming obscenities at everybody that walks by. This legislation is written up in the back rooms of government office buildings by respectable (well...some of them must be) men and women dressed in suits. They could care less if Joe Schmuckatelly is vaping his face off in the hardware aisle at Home Depot. That's not what they're after...

That said, let me ask a question...in all seriousness...what makes you think that an epidemic of obtuse vapors are the cause of any of the recent legislation? Barring anecdotal evidence (which I will not accept).

 

[Freckle]

Please highlight my 'insults'. I counted one in your riposte to me. I highlighted it for you.

You already blame me, so please spare me your future threats of blame. I do not ask your approval or permission to oppose my enemies. My rights are not 'entitlements'. The FDA will take as much as they think they can. Only a projection of strength will prevent oppressive regulation by these facists. They banned vaping and seized private property when almost nobody vaped....so where was there reasonable response then? What 'entitlement theory' created the first FDA ban?

Do you even know the history of the 2009 band and property seizure?

Only decisive legal action by an emergency alliance of vendors and subsequent action by CASAA has prevented our rights from being eroded and destroyed. Hoping the FDA will be nice is simply naive. Historically, the FDA has always taken as much as they think they can get away with. They only respect force.

The selfish comment along with the entitlement comment was in regards to you thinking you should be able to vape anywhere regardless who is around no matter what they say. All should have rights, you fail to see where you infringe on others rights.

 

[EddardinWinter]

That said, let me ask a question...in all seriousness...what makes you think that an epidemic of obtuse vapors are the cause of any of the recent legislation? Barring anecdotal evidence (which I will not except).

Sorry, the Grammar Nazi in me will not permit this. You will not accept it, I believe is your intended message.

 

[Freckle]

I'm sorry, Freckle. Meaning no disrespect whatsoever I think you're barking up the wrong tree. The second we make what might seem to be a reasonable concession then we've lost that battle and likely the next. Our problems are not with droves of vapors dancing in the streets blowing huge clouds of vapor and screaming obscenities at everybody that walks by. This legislation is written up in the back rooms of government office buildings by respectable (well...some of them must be) men and women dressed in suits. They could care less if Joe Schmuckatelly is vaping his face off in the hardware aisle at Home Depot. That's not what they're after...

That said, let me ask a question...in all seriousness...what makes you think that an epidemic of obtuse vapors are the cause of any of the recent legislation? Barring anecdotal evidence (which I will not except).

Actually the law is what strung this along. Tobacco Product Regulation.

The fact that no one cares what anyone elses opinion is what pushes other cities and governments to flex their hand.

 

[Freckle]

double post,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Crash Moses]

The selfish comment along with the entitlement comment was in regards to you thinking you should be able to vape anywhere regardless who is around no matter what they say. All should have rights, you fail to see where you infringe on others rights.

Eddard never said that. You implied it based on his argument against banning vaping in places where smoking is banned.

 

[EddardinWinter]

The selfish comment along with the entitlement comment was in regards to you thinking you should be able to vape anywhere regardless who is around no matter what they say. All should have rights, you fail to see where you infringe on others rights.

A pretty feeble response as your argument loses steam. You cannot cite any insults, for I made no insults. I simply attacked the weak parts of your poorly fortified positions. That is what I do. Insults are for those without facts and logic on their side.

Just walk away, before this gets even more embarrassing for you.

 

[Crash Moses]

Sorry, the Grammar Nazi in me will not permit this. You will not accept it, I believe is your intended message.

You sir...have even more of my respect now. However...you did not catch the other two mistakes I made (which I already fixed)...so HA!

 

[Robino1]

when did we automatically lose the right to do something that is legal?

 

[retired1]

 

[EddardinWinter]

You sir...have even more of my respect now. However...you did not catch the other two mistakes I made (which I already fixed)...so HA!

My Jedi Mind Trick is still working as well as I hoped....thank you for easing the pain in my eyes.

 

[Freckle]

A pretty feeble response as your argument loses steam. You cannot cite any insults, for I made no insults. I simply attacked the weak parts of your poorly fortified positions. That is what I do. Insults are for those without facts and logic on their side.

Just walk away, before this gets even more embarrassing for you.

ROFL! I am not playing these childish games and going over a post, I quoted it go back and read it. The insults whether they were innuendos or straight out insults they are there.

The fact that you have no response to me calling you out for your actions shows that you have lost steam. You fail to see the point of view from others aspect. Blinders are for horses, not for people!

 

[Tatsel_Morte]

I have some fairly strong opinions on this subject. Luckily, EddardinWinter has voiced them for me so thanks.

No homo, you are definitely cut from the same cloth as me and I love you for it bro.

Now, I'm not saying we should be able to vape wherever, just because. I am however saying that if no one is within 10 feet of you, (MODERATED) 'em. I mean really guys; us vaping in public takes other people's rights? They have the right to walk away just like I have a right to not be crammed up next to a cancer stick. If however, I see someone smoking in public, I simply walk around them and go on without being a .... and making a scene. Or, occasionally I ask if they've tried vaping.

My point here is that conceding this point has consequences too. The fact that they can even make you feel you deserve to be crammed in with the smokers makes me physically ill. When I smoked, I accepted the risks to myself and others and would step away, at least slightly, when I lit up. I have respect. What I don't have is a "good dog" complex that makes me roll over every time some politically correct, stuffed shirt pansy walks up and says that I'm offensive. Don't like my language, don't listen. Don't like my vape, walk away.

Until I find research that says there is an inherent risk in SHV, I will not concede my right to vape. I don't make an ... of myself and if it is expressly forbidden inside a business, I stop promptly without argument. I do then make sure they understand what it really is, and educate them if they don't, but if their is no sign, no prohibitive legislation (and luckily in MS they still openly encourage vaping, even indoors), and no one truly near enough to affect, then I don't care about their offense. I'm offended by their nose being stuck up at me but if it were a problem I'd knock it off directly instead of sending some ... to try and "stop that OFFENSIVE gentlemen all the way across walmart."

In the words of the awesome Randy Blithe of Lamb of God:

"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool, or a coward.
Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both.
For a wounded man will say to his assailant:
If I live, I will kill you
If I die, you are forgiven.
Such is the rule of honor."

 

[classwife]

...keep it civil please

 

[Robino1]

...keep it civil please

Trying very hard to. My tongue is bloody....

 

[Freckle]

I have some fairly strong opinions on this subject. Luckily, EddardinWinter has voiced them for me so thanks.

No homo, you are definitely cut from the same cloth as me and I love you for it bro.

Now, I'm not saying we should be able to vape wherever, just because. I am however saying that if no one is within 10 feet of you, f@$k 'em. I mean really guys; us vaping in public takes other people's rights? They have the right to walk away just like I have a right to not be crammed up next to a cancer stick. If however, I see someone vaping in public, I simply walk around them and go on. Or, occasionally I ask if they've tried vaping.

My point here is that conceding this point has consequences too. The fact that they can even make you feel you deserve to be crammed in with the smokers makes me physically ill. When I smoked, I accepted the risks to myself and others and would step away, at least slightly, when I lit up. I have respect. What I don't have is a "good dog" complex that makes me roll over every time some politically correct, stuffed shirt pansy walks up and says that I'm offensive. Don't like my language, don't listen. Don't like my vape, walk away.

Until I find research that says there is an inherent risk in SHV, I will not concede my right to vape. I don't make an ... of myself and if it is expressly forbidden inside a business, I stop promptly without argument. I do then make sure they understand what it really is, and educate them if they don't, but if their is no sign, no prohibitive legislation (and luckily in MS they still openly encourage vaping, even indoors), and no one truly near enough to affect, then I don't care about their offense. I'm offended by their nose being stuck up at me but if it were a problem I'd knock it off directly instead of sending some ... to try and "stop that OFFENSIVE gentlemen all the way across walmart."

In the words of the awesome Randy Blithe of Lamb of God:

"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool, or a coward.
Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both.
For a wounded man will say to his assailant:
If I live, I will kill you
If I die, you are forgiven.
Such is the rule of honor."

People have the right to walk away? Really? I stopped at that and couldn't read anymore!


Rude, people are just plain out rude. This confirms my belief this community is just getting worse and worse. We aren't a community anymore, just a bunch of selfish people who believe they should have their rights over anyone elses beliefs. Who cares about someone else, cause I am going to do what I want and if you don't like it WALK AWAY!

LOL great belief system, great belief.

 

[mare ze dotes]

I have read through much of the tussle and ,yes, to all of you. Great opinions.
Or How about donuts now?

Actually, I did read some great stuff that was well said. On both sides.

 

[Crash Moses]

People have the right to walk away? Really? I stopped at that and couldn't read anymore!


Rude, people are just plain out rude. This confirms my belief this community is just getting worse and worse. We aren't a community anymore, just a bunch of selfish people who believe they should have their rights over anyone elses beliefs. Who cares about someone else, cause I am going to do what I want and if you don't like it WALK AWAY!

LOL great belief system, great belief.

Tatsel did infer in his hypothetical scenario as long as no one was within 10 feet. I don't think he was suggesting blowing a cloud into someone's face.

I, personally, try to stand downwind. In a crowded situation I'll move off to the side. That's all that's really necessary.

 

[retired1]

Or How about donuts now?

Why not?