Vapor Flask V3 DNA40 Clone thread

[Tpat591]

Whoa. I was like 20 pages behind on the thread, so I glanced at the posts, didn't read every one of the 20 pages so this might be a repost.

The reason fasttech pulled the Vaporflask and the Vaporshark is because Vaporflask and Vaporshark have teamed up, they are releasing a large screen dna40 flask soon, they announced it at the show in Miami.. And it's going to be $100 lower than the current price so I'm guessing like $225'ish. That's authentic and as I understood it, it will be available from the Vaporshark site.

Somewhere (Facebook?) there's a promo video from the Miami event.

So that's why they pulled both devices, I guess they are the "same" company now.

I also read somewhere again, it's some kind of patent on the design or looks of the device. Not just the engravings and name like before. If that's true that will essentially kill clones of those devices. Unless they redesign them somewhat. But in the case of the shark, I'm guessing the screen on the bottom would have to be considered a signature design element? Not sure about that. That's just my opinion.

In any event, if your considering the clones of either device, get them from whoever has them quickly, because if what I read and understood was accurate, I'm sure most other vendors like focal will eventually pull them too at some point. But I would have to think fasttech is the goliath of direct from China sales, which explains why they were the first targeted. But I would have to imagine they (flask & shark people) know all the major distribution channels.

Sorry if this information is a repeat.

Thank you for taking the time to post that excellent explanation. I had not been following the thread for a while and must have missed that little tidbit of information. Explains a lot.

Please disregard my rant above. My apologies for being uninformed.

 

[dwcraig1]

Thank you for taking the time to post that excellent explanation. I had not been following the thread for a while and must have missed that little tidbit of information. Explains a lot.

Please disregard my rant above. My apologies for being uninformed.

So does this mean the the new Vaporflasks will have their case and assembly done in China?

 

[TheotherSteveS]

So does this mean the the new Vaporflasks will have their case and assembly done in China?

Yeah, by a consortium of Waidea and kangxin (Wangxin???) lol!

 

[dwcraig1]

Yeah, by a consortium of Waidea and kangxin (Wangxin???) lol!

Just wondering as that's how the VS' are done and why they are cheaper than Hana's

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Just wondering as that's how the VS' are done and why they are cheaper than Hana's

Absolutely. I was only half joking!!!

 

[GrandSam]

VaporShark rdna40
"ECF" for 5% off coupon code.

Awesome! Thanks a ton. Just sent them a few questions...assuming it doesn't get discontinued in a day, I'll place an order.
It doesn't look like that 5% off code works though.

 

[Tpat591]

 

[TheBloke]

I think there's a good chance this actually means: "Vapor Flask is dead, Vaporshark have bought the brand/company". Does not sound like a 'collaboration' to me.

I have no idea if that's true. But I can't see any other future - what is VaporFlask the company without their only product? After VS bring out the VS:VF what will differentiate a future VF:VF? It's not like a VF is anything special - it's a curved metal shell of a particular design. The rest is a 510, some wire and plastic and a third party chip - everything that VS already has; less than even, given VS' wireless charging.

VaporFlask Inc is VaporFlask the product, so to 'collaborate' on having your only product made better by another company sounds bizarre, and much more like a buy-out. VS bought out the IP or perhaps the whole show. Maybe VaporFlask will continue as a brand of VS - like Audi buying Lamborghini.

Or, at best they're perhaps getting out of the manufacturing business and becoming a design business. Or this is truly meant to be a one time deal, maybe to raise some quick cash at little cost (VS footing the bill) because they're in financial difficulties?

But if they really do plan to continue, either as a full manufacturer or even just as a designer, it seems rather odd to have a major name player, with a stronger brand than your own, put their name on your product. Even if it wasn't a buyout it it seems to have a huge risk of heavily diluting their brand.

None of this seems to bode too well for the future of VF clones. At least in the medium-long term. If VS really do own the IP presumably they'll get a patent on it as they did their own product - or even if they don't they might insist VF do, now it's associated with VS.

What I'd be interested to know is what kind of pressure these US companies can put on Chinese manufacturers. Big names like FT obviously won't touch it, but does that mean any/all manufacturer/vendors will stop as well? If not then maybe it will just limit supply not kill it completely.

This is a fairly interesting, in-depth article on Chinese design patents. It outlines what's required to get one, their requiring proof of "absolute novelty", and enforcement which has been spotty in the past but improving. It certainly seems like it's fairly straightforward to get a Chinese design patent and to protect it. That said, they have a strict "first-to-file" system. This seems to imply that if, say, SXK took out a design patent on the VF and VF/VS had no former patent on it either in China or abroad (which counts), SXK could patent it even though they did not invent it Or at least, they could block VF/VS from getting exclusive rights to that design. However I am sure there are many further subtleties to consider in practice:

The timing of filing is also important. China is a first-to-file country, so whoever gets to the patent office first with the application generally wins. Foreign applicants can overcome this disadvantage by filing early in their home country followed by a timely filing in China. Failure to file first can result in lost design patent rights. The date of filing is also important as China is an “absolute novelty” country, meaning that the “prior design” that can be cited against the application includes “any design known to the public in this country or abroad before the date of filing.” Accordingly, all applicants seeking design patent protection in China need to file a patent application somewhere in the world before the design is known publicly, either inside or outside China.​

 

[dwcraig1]

Awesome! Thanks a ton. Just sent them a few questions...assuming it doesn't get discontinued in a day, I'll place an order.
It doesn't look like that 5% off code works though.

"VA4LESS" and free shipping or $75

 

[RainZG]

VaporShark rdna40
"ECF" for 5% off coupon code.

I am confused. Is this original or clone? When I read description it looks like original but...

 

[dwcraig1]

I am confused. Is this original or clone? When I read description it looks like original but...

It is a clone
Here's another one:
Vaporshark RDNA40 40W Temperature Control Box Mod Clone | eBay

 

[RainZG]

well, for 100$ you can have original vaporshark rDNA but without warranty so I don't really see a point in buying this one to be honest.

 

[nelsonm64]

I found something interesting last night, V4 Vapor Flask. it looks like the original including the 510 base. claims to have TC and a adjustable pin, sure wish I knew which ship is in it!?! I messaged them about the pin asking if it's "spring loaded" or needs to be manually adjusted. soooo tempted to order one lol.

Newest Vaporflask V4 Mod Double 18650 Electronic Cigarette Battery Body - Black

 

[TheBloke]

I found something interesting last night, V4 Vapor Flask. it looks like the original including the 510 base. claims to have TC and a adjustable pin, sure wish I knew which ship is in it!?! I messaged them about the pin asking if it's "spring loaded" or needs to be manually adjusted. soooo tempted to order one lol.

Newest Vaporflask V4 Mod Double 18650 Electronic Cigarette Battery Body - Black

My guess is that it's just the Waidea we all know well. It's got the accessories of a Waidea (bag, stripy wire), it's 1-40W with with the standard Rayn specs (F temps only, 0.10 min resistance)

I don't know what v4 means - probably it just means the latest revision of the chip, like the earlier ones flashed TP message and later ones didn't. Something minor like that, most likely. I think there's a tendency for some vendors to increase the 'v' number if they get a new batch, to differentiate themselves.

If you search on Alibaba for v4 Flask there's hundreds of them, and some of them are even the Kangxin! (Coloured versinos etc.) I think the vendors often just make the version up

 

[nelsonm64]

My guess is that it's just the Waidea we all know well. It's got the accessories of a Waidea (bag, stripy wire), it's 1-40W with with the standard Rayn specs (F temps only, 0.10 min resistance)

I don't know what v4 means - probably it just means the latest revision of the chip, like the earlier ones flashed TP message and later ones didn't. Something minor like that, most likely. I think there's a tendency for some vendors to increase the 'v' number if they get a new batch, to differentiate themselves.

If you search on Alibaba for v4 Flask there's hundreds of them, and some of them are even the Kangxin! (Coloured versinos etc.) I think the vendors often just make the version up

well, we're gonna find out, I ordered one.... did you notice theres no logo like the SXK? and the waidei didn't have an adjustable 510 did it? this one claims to be adjustable and, if you look close at the 510 pin it appears to be flat? big gamble i'm taking I know

 

[TheotherSteveS]

well, we're gonna find out, I ordered one.... did you notice theres no logo like the SXK? and the waidei didn't have an adjustable 510 did it? this one claims to be adjustable and, if you look close at the 510 pin it appears to be flat? big gamble i'm taking I know

its not that big of a gamble. Even if it is the waidea, its a good unit! Hate to say it but you cant rely on the pictures...they could be of anything including an authentic.... The desription looks pretty generic to me. No mention of sprung 510 rather that its adjustable and copper, neither of which jibes with the pics whcih look like a sprung brass 510...

 

[aldenf]

It is a clone
Here's another one:
Vaporshark RDNA40 40W Temperature Control Box Mod Clone | eBay

VaporAlley, a US-based company, better watch themselves. I seriously doubt the rDNA design is patented. However, this is exactly what trademarks were created to prevent. Even though the device itself has no logos/infringement, by listing it as a "VaporShark Rdna40", VaporAlley is opening itself up to a lawsuit and making things difficult for the manufacturer. It seems like much of the industry is ready to cut its nose off to spite its face. <sigh>

 

[nelsonm64]

its not that big of a gamble. Even if it is the waidea, its a good unit! Hate to say it but you cant rely on the pictures...they could be of anything including an authentic.... The desription looks pretty generic to me. No mention of sprung 510 rather that its adjustable and copper, neither of which jibes with the pics whcih look like a sprung brass 510...

the one thing I don't think I would like about the waidea is it's firing delay. I read it has a 1 second delay worst case i'll trow a real dna 40 in it. well, if its not a mess like the kanxin....

 

[TheBloke]

well, we're gonna find out, I ordered one.... did you notice theres no logo like the SXK? and the waidei didn't have an adjustable 510 did it? this one claims to be adjustable and, if you look close at the 510 pin it appears to be flat? big gamble i'm taking I know

When the Waidea was listed on 3FVape it also had those pictures with no "VaporFlask" on the bottom - it was to protect themselves from displaying that logo on their site. The actual unit had it.

It's definitely not the SXK unless they've chosen to leave out half the better specs. And the SXK doesn't come with either a USB cable or the bag. Also its fire button is pointier than the one in the photo.

Regarding the adjustable 510 - wasn't the Kangxin an adjustable? I never had one, only the fixed pin Waidea, but I thought someone said the Kangxin could be adjusted? But then the Kangxin had a brass 510 surround not stainless.

As Steve said, it could be the specs of one with the pics of another, which would suggest it's the Kangxin with that "adjustable 510", I think.

Anyway it's either the Kangxin or the Waidea. Either works OK, though the Kangxin is a hot glue mess inside and the Waidea is not.

 

[Spidey2011]

When the Waidea was listed on 3FVape it also had those pictures with no "VaporFlask" on the bottom - it was to protect themselves from displaying that logo on their site. The actual unit had it.

It's definitely not the SXK unless they've chosen to leave out half the better specs. And the SXK doesn't come with either a USB cable or the bag. Also its fire button is pointier than the one in the photo.

Regarding the adjustable 510 - wasn't the Kangxin an adjustable? I never had one, only the fixed pin Waidea, but I thought someone said the Kangxin could be adjusted? But then the Kangxin had a brass 510 surround not stainless.

As Steve said, it could be the specs of one with the pics of another, which would suggest it's the Kangxin with that "adjustable 510", I think.

Anyway it's either the Kangxin or the Waidea. Either works OK, though the Kangxin is a hot glue mess inside and the Waidea is not.

Kangxin is adjustable.