ni200 works well in the RBA deck too.
I got about a week out of mine with daily use, using it most of the time I would vape during that week.
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ni200 works well in the RBA deck too.
I got about a week out of mine with daily use, using it most of the time I would vape during that week.
It's funny, when I first started vaping - which incredibly enough was primarily meant to be a money saver more than a health-saver - I was asking everyone I could find how long coils would last, how long one spool of wire and one bag of Muji cotton would last..
In reality, I don't think I've used the same coil for more than a day at most. Not that they wouldn't last, but I always end up just remaking them to see if I can do it a bit better, or just different. And I haven't even started making fancy coils like Claptons.
On the upside, it turned out that my £2.50 bag of Muji cotton will in fact last for months and months About the only vaping supply that I've bought once and never thought of needing to get more, or better.
Ah, really? I love tanks with accessible decks (without emptying the tank), like the Aqua v2 (my absolute fave so far) and now the Goliath - with the Goliath's added benefit of the closable juice control, which seemed awesome.
But yeah I do also dislike small build decks - the Aqua v2s is kind of small and I'm working on my first atty mod to make it much more accessible (post-less.) But now you mention it, even that does seem bigger than the Goliath. In videos the Goliath looked small but not unworkably so, but if it's limited to 2-2.5mm coils then that's a big downside. I can get 3mm in the Av2 as long as the wire isn't super thick and the coils aren't too long . I think my current Av2 build is 2.5mm, but that's 2 x 7 wraps of 3x30G twisted Kanthal so there is some surface area there - and it took me a good ten minutes re-arranging the coils to get the chimney on with no shorts.
When I saw the Goliath deck I thought maybe it would be possible to have a large single nickel coil going between the posts, straddling the two air holes. That would definitely need a small diameter (2mm I guessed), but it could be fairly long so spaced would be OK. Have you tried anything like that?
Maybe I will give the Goliath a miss for now, then. Or rather, order the clone from FT at 1/3 the price. I'm trying to make a rule that I stop buying stuff from the UK unless it's really special, and make myself wait for the Chinese shipping to get it at a vast discount. I was going to go ahead with the Goliath locally because as an accessible-deck tank it seemed special, but maybe it's not worth that after all.
Thanks for the heads up!
In reality, I don't think I've used the same coil for more than a day at most. Not that they wouldn't last, but I always end up just remaking them to see if I can do it a bit better, or just different. And I haven't even started making fancy coils like Claptons.
On the upside, it turned out that my £2.50 bag of Muji cotton will in fact last for months and months
About the only vaping supply that I've bought once and never thought of needing to get more, or better.Ah, really?
I love tanks with accessible decks (without emptying the tank), like the Aqua v2 (my absolute fave so far) and now the Goliath - with the Goliath's added benefit of the closable juice control, which seemed awesome. But yeah I do also dislike small build decks - the Aqua v2s is kind of small and I'm working on my first atty mod to make it much more accessible (post-less.) But now you mention it, even that does seem bigger than the Goliath. In videos the Goliath looked small but not unworkably so, but if it's limited to 2-2.5mm coils then that's a big downside. I can get 3mm in the Av2 as long as the wire isn't super thick and the coils aren't too long . I think my current Av2 build is 2.5mm, but that's 2 x 7 wraps of 3x30G twisted Kanthal so there is some surface area there - and it took me a good ten minutes re-arranging the coils to get the chimney on with no shorts.
When I saw the Goliath deck I thought maybe it would be possible to have a large single nickel coil going between the posts, straddling the two air holes. That would definitely need a small diameter (2mm I guessed), but it could be fairly long so spaced would be OK. Have you tried anything like that?
Maybe I will give the Goliath a miss for now, then. Or rather, order the clone from FT at 1/3 the price. I'm trying to make a rule that I stop buying stuff from the UK unless it's really special, and make myself wait for the Chinese shipping to get it at a vast discount. I was going to go ahead with the Goliath locally because as an accessible-deck tank it seemed special, but maybe it's not worth that after all.
Thanks for the heads up!
They are very easy to rebuild, the "disposible'" ones.
It's funny, when I first started vaping - which incredibly enough was primarily meant to be a money saver more than a health-saver - I was asking everyone I could find how long coils would last, how long one spool of wire and one bag of Muji cotton would last..
In reality, I don't think I've used the same coil for more than a day at most. Not that they wouldn't last, but I always end up just remaking them to see if I can do it a bit better, or just different. And I haven't even started making fancy coils like Claptons.
On the upside, it turned out that my £2.50 bag of Muji cotton will in fact last for months and months
Ah, really?
But yeah I do also dislike small build decks - the Aqua v2s is kind of small and I'm working on my first atty mod to make it much more accessible (post-less.) But now you mention it, even that does seem bigger than the Goliath. In videos the Goliath looked small but not unworkably so, but if it's limited to 2-2.5mm coils then that's a big downside. I can get 3mm in the Av2 as long as the wire isn't super thick and the coils aren't too long . I think my current Av2 build is 2.5mm, but that's 2 x 7 wraps of 3x30G twisted Kanthal so there is some surface area there - and it took me a good ten minutes re-arranging the coils to get the chimney on with no shorts.
When I saw the Goliath deck I thought maybe it would be possible to have a large single nickel coil going between the posts, straddling the two air holes. That would definitely need a small diameter (2mm I guessed), but it could be fairly long so spaced would be OK. Have you tried anything like that?
Maybe I will give the Goliath a miss for now, then. Or rather, order the clone from FT at 1/3 the price. I'm trying to make a rule that I stop buying stuff from the UK unless it's really special, and make myself wait for the Chinese shipping to get it at a vast discount. I was going to go ahead with the Goliath locally because as an accessible-deck tank it seemed special, but maybe it's not worth that after all.
Thanks for the heads up!
If you haven't already, you might want to try a decent Kayfun 4 clone (Tobeco, Infinite). Lotta moving parts, but it's easy to build on, wicking is simple, and I can run 3.5mm - 4mm coils on it if the mood strikes. I use the 4S kit, which adds a Peek insulator for sub-ohm and the higher temps that come with it, and a 2.7mm airflow tube over the stock 2.2mm. It's still on the restrictive side though.
Nice thing is, top fill, no fill ports to faff around with (I won't ever buy another screwdriver fill port atty, hate them), and you can work on the build without dumping the tank. Plus lots and lots and lots of accessories/options.
It's also single coil-centric, which I like (you can run dual parallel or inline coils on it though).
I'll take a Lemo especially a Lemo2 over anything else.
biggest build deck, clean simple, and best flavor.
I absolutely hated the kayfun4 so I gave it to my son.
biggest build deck, clean simple, and best flavor.
I absolutely hated the kayfun4 so I gave it to my son.
Well I'm ......, I got a silver Waidea last week, worked great for a day or so...liked it so much I ordered another, about 2 days later it started acting up with Too Low Resistance warnings and ohms jumping all over the place...this was with multiple tanks. The other showed up in black, it worked for a few seconds, then I got a weak batter warning and it shut down...tried other batteries, and nothing. Emailed Focal, and got a vague response that indicated even though I purchased from USA warehouse, looks like I am going to have to send back to China...could be this grounding issue folks are talking about, but I really don't have the skills or desire to try and troubleshoot/repair these. Too bad, as they appear to be nicely made...
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Thanks, yeah I keep getting close to doing so! I very nearly added one to my FT order last night but I had already been up half the night trying to finalise it and get it out before I went to bed, so they'd have all Monday to process it. There are so many different clones on FT it's ridiculous. I was just about to pull the trigger on the Infinite one when I read a comment from some FT user saying the KF4 was terrible and the KF Lite was much better. I'd not looked at the Lite at all and couldn't face doing another hour of research to establish if that was true, and decided to wait for my next order
I'm already putting together my second order so I'll definitely chuck one in - I've heard the word "Kayfun" so many thousands of times in the relatively short time I've been vaping that I can't possibly go much longer without finding out what it's all about
And I already know the build deck style is fine from my Lemo experience.And yes, I'm day by day realising that single-coil-orientated is maybe what I want. I take ages to make dual coils exactly the same and then frankly I can often not tell much difference versus my singles - certainly not in flavour which is my prime concern.
I heard Busardo, I think it was, talk about an upgraded spring for Nickel builds - which now I google seems to be a third party thing, from Steam Tuners. Is that necessary in your experience? There's no clone of it or anything like it, that I can find anyway. (Not that the original is so expensive I guess.)
My Lemo is a wreck now, I've taken pliers to it so many times trying to get it on and off mods, especially the VF
It still vapes, just wish I'd not got the black one!I keep thinking about the Lemo 2. Maybe I'll get that instead of the Goliath while I think about Dan's comments on that a bit longer. I do use the Lemo a lot, despite having five Aqua v2s now, purely because of that lovely big deck.
Though that might change tomorrow when my brass nuts and screws arrive and, fingers crossed, I manage to get nearly as big a deck on my Av2s
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The first fix to try, anyone at all can do. You just take off the top cap, using a 1.3mm hex key or a T5 torx head, and then put it back on, being sure to do so while holding the top plate down very firmly and driving those screws in as tight as possible (without wrecking them.)
Your only risk/concern is that in doing so you somehow damage it and thus risking your warranty. But if you're careful that should not happen - there's no way they can tell you opened it besides damage you might cause, no "warranty voided" sticker or any of that crap.
So get an appropriate screw driver head, press down firmly on the top plate while undoing the screws, release the plate very gently without ever letting go of it, and push it back down again and put the screws back in as tight as you can.
Then try it again with a fully charged set of batteries.
If you want to go a bit further, you can also scrub the inside of the top plate to roughen it up a little (wire wool or sand paper I guess; Croak will say what he used). You can also try examining the inside of the 510, maybe poking it with something soft, looking for any loose strands of wire. That's what I had, and I also had identical symptoms to you - right down to the "low resistance", which was my very first symptom. When I took the top off later, I found a small section of the 510 stranded cable was loose. I am almost certain that that came loose when I tightened my Kanger on there, and its first position was to internally short the 510 and give me a Low Resistance warning.
Firing a can of compressed air around the 510 - or just blowing on it, as I did with mine - probably can't hurt either.
Pretty much none of that - save perhaps the rubbing of the inside of the top plate - should threaten your warranty if you subsequently do need/want to return it/them.
Willie posted some pictures a few (tens of) pages back showing you what to expect the 510 to look like when you take the top off - there's basically a 'sandwich' of connections: a stranded cable is sandwiched between a large 510 brass nut and a silver washer. It's that stranded cable that can shed loose wire. It's very obvious once you've got it open and shined a light in the small gap that is visible under the top plate (the top plate will lift only a very small amount because of the short length of the cable to the 510.)
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Hopefully they are one of the 1% of us that have a 1.3mm hex wrench....geeze what a Dumb A** size.
A T5 works fine too. When I had the issue, I just went out to my local hardware store and bought one of those "40 different size" kits, with a single plastic holder that has a metalic gripper, and 40 small driver heads. That had both the 1.3mm and the T5. And actually that was one of my better (and cheaper!) tool/accesory purchases since I started vaping. It was only £6/$10 (would've been cheaper if I'd waited to buy it on eBay, I'm sure), but I use it daily now. It's cheap and a bit annoying - all the bits fall out of the cheap plastic case they came in all the time - but it's pretty useful for handling loads of different attys/clones with their varying screw head sizes.
I keep meaning to splash out on a better set in a nicer case, that I can mount to the wall or something, but for now it's doing OK and given it was one of the few cheap purchases I've made, I'm hesitant to make it one more thing I've upgraded at big cost
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Torx T6 is a pretty standard size, nothing oddball about it. That Allen key will fit it, but risks stripping the heads when torquing it down. Stripping is a whole lot harder to do with a Torx driver and screw (and there's a reason why they're named "Torx")
I ordered the wadeia flask from focal , should be here sometime this week . Hearing people talk about small build decks for ni200 builds makes me feel better about getting the Lemo 2 over the Goliath . For those here waiting to pull the trigger on the Lemo 2 ....pull it !! Awesome tank ..so convienient to fill! They took every suggestion from the last one and made it . Better quality construction , top fill is insane awesome , and now the airflow rivals the goblin or some drippers . I can't wait to throw it on my flask
A couple of things, first I think it was me that got the 1.3 mm Allen as the size used started, I'm pretty sure it's 1.4 mm.... and don't you mean T5 because that what fits both of mine? Just now put the caliper on it again and got 1.4 mm. My 1.3 fits pretty sloppy.
Yes it's T5 - it's probably my fault he said T6 because I typo'd on that twice in my previous posts; now edited
And yes you first said 1.3mm, and it does work - but not as well as a T5, so that would make sense if it's meant to be 1.4!
Thanks, yeah I keep getting close to doing so! I very nearly added one to my FT order last night but I had already been up half the night trying to finalise it and get it out before I went to bed, so they'd have all Monday to process it. There are so many different clones on FT it's ridiculous. I was just about to pull the trigger on the Infinite one when I read a comment from some FT user saying the KF4 was terrible and the KF Lite was much better. I'd not looked at the Lite at all and couldn't face doing another hour of research to establish if that was true, and decided to wait for my next order
I'm already putting together my second order so I'll definitely chuck one in - I've heard the word "Kayfun" so many thousands of times in the relatively short time I've been vaping that I can't possibly go much longer without finding out what it's all about
And yes, I'm day by day realising that single-coil-orientated is maybe what I want. I take ages to make dual coils exactly the same and then frankly I can often not tell much difference versus my singles - certainly not in flavour which is my prime concern.
I heard Busardo, I think it was, talk about an upgraded spring for Nickel builds - which now I google seems to be a third party thing, from Steam Tuners. Is that necessary in your experience? There's no clone of it or anything like it, that I can find anyway. (Not that the original is so expensive I guess.)
My Lemo is a wreck now, I've taken pliers to it so many times trying to get it on and off mods, especially the VF
I keep thinking about the Lemo 2. Maybe I'll get that instead of the Goliath while I think about Dan's comments on that a bit longer. I do use the Lemo a lot, despite having five Aqua v2s now, purely because of that lovely big deck.
Though that might change tomorrow when my brass nuts and screws arrive and, fingers crossed, I manage to get nearly as big a deck on my Av2s
Anybody that likes a KFL+ over a KF4 is crazy imo. Neither one have enough airflow for me, but the kf4 at least comes close (with 4S).
Regarding the Goalith, I have been able to do a dual coil ni200 build in it, I think I mentioned that, but it was tight as hell getting the tank on.
Getting the resistance high enough for a good DNA40 build would require 29, or 30g ni200 I think.
I haven't tried a single coil in it, but have no desire to either, did that on my fogger v4.1 (4.4) once, and that was enough for me. Haha.
That said. I do really like the Goliath, I just think the v2 will fix a lot of the things I don't like with the v1.
I'd take a lemo 2 over a kayfun 4 clone all day. But I don't like restrictive tootle puffing RTAs.
What mod is that?Anybody that likes a KFL+ over a KF4 is crazy imo. Neither one have enough airflow for me, but the kf4 at least comes close (with 4S).
Regarding the Goalith, I have been able to do a dual coil ni200 build in it, I think I mentioned that, but it was tight as hell getting the tank on.
Getting the resistance high enough for a good DNA40 build would require 29, or 30g ni200 I think.
I haven't tried a single coil in it, but have no desire to either, did that on my fogger v4.1 (4.4) once, and that was enough for me. Haha.
That said. I do really like the Goliath, I just think the v2 will fix a lot of the things I don't like with the v1.
I'd take a lemo 2 over a kayfun 4 clone all day. But I don't like restrictive tootle puffing RTAs.
SX Mini M class by Yihi.... there is a large thread in this sub-forum about it...
My TGT II's with their slotted air intakes give them Lemo's some serious competition, in fact I like them much better and it's still a Taifun (clone)
OK, thanks. What I was thinking with the single coil was something like this, going between the posts -
Which wouldn't be possible with most dual-coil RTAs these days, which are either four post (Foggers, Billow, Orchids, Goblin, etc) or else have no usable gap between the posts (Aqua v2). It'd have to be rather skinny, but I figured maybe a 2mm coil might work with some care? And if it could be made to work with the posts, there'd be no further problems with the chimney.
What was the problem with the single coil in the Fogger? Massive leaking?
Yet another reason I love the Aqua v2 - single coil is easily achieved as the air holes are threaded and can be closed off for single coil mode. Not that I've done many single coils on it, I dislike giving up half the deck. But it's possible. It really is an amazing design, which is both great, and a bit sad - in the sense that it seems to stand fairly alone as being great, with so many other companies still just pumping out what are mostly just the same old tired designs with no more than small tweaks and nothing really new. Another reason I was excited about the Goliath, as it did seem to make some advances. Albeit still evolution not revolution, and with seemingly quite a big drawback as a result.
If there was any indication that the v2 might be coming I might be given pause, but it seems that their first step is to ramp the "Limited Edition" Goliath into full production, so I'm thinking a v2 is months away at least. Unless you've heard something different? They were quite quick to update the Goblin with the 1.1 and 1.2 versions, so it's certainly possible they'll make further tweaks fairly soon.
To be honest it seems pretty likely I'm just going to get it anyway
But I may well wait a little to see if I can at least get it for less than $50! And if I can resist the spending urge long enough, that probably means I'll get the FT clone for $17 (and cross my fingers that it's a pretty good one.)- Status
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