Vapor Flask V3 DNA40 Clone thread
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The spring in my SXK 510 is fairly strong when compared to VS rDNA's 510 spring, just thinking that this might be the cause of the varied resistance reading of the same atty. The Angel flask appears to use the same style socket as the SXK. Just thinking out loud here.
Don't get hung up on the apparent Temp! It's not real. At best an approximation. Don't be afraid to go higher to get the vape you want!! I run thos coils at 520 for example!! I'm still alive. It's actualy still not a very warm vape. Nothing is burning for sure. The static resistance go the coil,and atty are contributing to what the mod sees. It's all good!!
True. Just trying to maximise my coil life.
Personally, I don't understand how anyone uses non temp regulated. The Vape is so much smoother. Each to their own though!!!!
Now since I started sub ohm and lung inhaling, the epic juice I've been using hasn't given me enough flavour.
Will go to shop tomorrow and try some new juice.
Personally, I don't understand how anyone uses non temp regulated. The Vape is so much smoother. Each to their own though!!!!
Now since I started sub ohm and lung inhaling, the epic juice I've been using hasn't given me enough flavour.
Will go to shop tomorrow and try some new juice.
For $3 more you could pre-order the touch feeling ones due July 13th. Are they attempting to describe that rubberized finish like on some eGo batteries or something else?
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I was just on 3fvape and saw the black SXK Nebula 60 watt and the Kayfun monster v2 style rta clone. I'm gonna pull the trigger on both. Maybe @bloke can tell me with the new large screen SXK chips, if they fixed the resistance issue. Or was that just a SXK flask problem?
I have one large screen, the Nebula, and it has the same issue. It was never specific to the flask, it's always been in the chip - found on every SXK mod: the VF, the rDNA, all the Zero clones, the new Nebula. Ditto any mods from Geeco because they're just re-branded SXK.
For more info on the Nebula, including my unboxing photos, see this thread: SXK's self-branded TC mod - Nebula 50/60; TC with TCR adjustment; Big Screen; C/F temps. Unboxing photos in this post.
I will say that I love the big screen. It's so crisp and clear, it just looks lovely. It has a downside (for me) compared to small screen in that it no longer live-updates the ohms. But that doesn't matter for anyone in practice, only if you're analysing it/are really interested in TC
Regarding low resistance: I heard back from SXK last Friday (June 19th) that they "realised the problem and will work to fix it." So even if they fixed it Monday 22nd, it wouldn't be even manufactured for at least another week from today, and not then in-stock until other units sell out. And they probably didn't fix it that fast - if they even have yet at all. So in practice we're probably looking at another four to six weeks until it's generally available. Depends on when they actually do fix it, and then stock levels at each retailer.
I'll be contacting them again soon and will ask for an update.
Be aware that the problem isn't so devastating for TC as I first assumed. Since I started testing the actual temperature of the coil, I've realised it doesn't seem so bad as first feared. Out of the box for Ni200 you might not really even notice, because they've already set a default Nickel Purity value of 70, which compensates for the general low resistance (around 60 is the correct figure for Ni200.)
So it's only if/when you vape other wires - Titanium for example - that you will find yourself adjusting for it. Even then it's easy. Titanium with its TCR of 0.0035 would be expected to use a NP of 35 - from my temperature testing, in fact 40 is the best figure. (It will be sometimes a little low at 40, but never much over the target temp. At 41 it's never low, but can go up to 15°C over.)
So for Ni200 use 70, for Titanium use 40, and you should be fine. The low resistance still isn't ideal, but it's not ruining the TC as such.
I will add that the TC on the SXK is among the weaker TCs I've used. It works, it's a lot better than no TC. But it's not particularly smooth, you can sometimes tell that it's basically pulsing the coil - voltage, no voltage, voltage, no voltage. It's "jerkier" than TC in a DNA 40 or Yihi chip, or even the Rayn board in the Waidea or Kangxin. And though it's accurate, it's accurate to a 5-10°C (10-20°F) range, rather than often being dead on as the DNA 40 and others can be in ideal circumstances.
Not trying to put you off, I'm still glad I got my SXK VF and I'm daily using all the SXKs I now have (the original 50W VF and a 60W Zero and Nebula.) Just want it to be clear what you're getting.
I'll try and post some temperature probing graphs soon. And I plan to do a fuller review of the Nebula in the next day (in the Nebula thread.)
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I was expecting a page worth of answers and explanations from you specifically, and I got them!I have one large screen, the Nebula, and it has the same issue. It was never specific to the flask, it's always been in the chip - found on every SXK mod: the VF, the rDNA, all the Zero clones, the new Nebula. Ditto any mods from Geeco because they're just re-branded SXK.
For more info on the Nebula, including my unboxing photos, see this thread: SXK's self-branded TC mod - Nebula 50/60; TC with TCR adjustment; Big Screen; C/F temps. Unboxing photos in this post.
I will say that I love the big screen. It's so crisp and clear, it just looks lovely. It has a downside (for me) compared to small screen in that it no longer live-updates the ohms. But that doesn't matter for anyone in practice, only if you're analysing it/are really interested in TC
Regarding low resistance: I heard back from SXK last Friday (June 19th) that they "realised the problem and will work to fix it." So even if they fixed it Monday 22nd, it wouldn't be even manufactured for at least another week from today, and not then in-stock until other units sell out. And they probably didn't fix it that fast - if they even have yet at all. So in practice we're probably looking at another four to six weeks until it's generally available. Depends on when they actually do fix it, and then stock levels at each retailer.
I'll be contacting them again soon and will ask for an update.
Be aware that the problem isn't so devastating for TC as I first assumed. Since I started testing the actual temperature of the coil, I've realised it doesn't seem so bad as first feared. Out of the box for Ni200 you might not really even notice, because they've already set a default Nickel Purity value of 70, which compensates for the general low resistance (around 60 is the correct figure for Ni200.)
So it's only if/when you vape other wires - Titanium for example - that you will find yourself adjusting for it. Even then it's easy. Titanium with its TCR of 0.0035 would be expected to use a NP of 35 - from my temperature testing, in fact 40 is the best figure. (It will be sometimes a little low at 40, but never much over the target temp. At 41 it's never low, but can go up to 15°C over.)
So for Ni200 use 70, for Titanium use 40, and you should be fine. The low resistance still isn't ideal, but it's not ruining the TC as such.
I will add that the TC on the SXK is among the weaker TCs I've used. It works, it's a lot better than no TC. But it's not particularly smooth, you can sometimes tell that it's basically pulsing the coil - voltage, no voltage, voltage, no voltage. It's "jerkier" than TC in a DNA 40 or Yihi chip, or even the Rayn board in the Waidea or Kangxin. And though it's accurate, it's accurate to a 5-10°C (10-20°F) range, rather than often being dead on as the DNA 40 and others can be in ideal circumstances.
Not trying to put you off, I'm still glad I got my SXK VF and I'm daily using all the SXKs I now have (the original 50W VF and a 60W Zero and Nebula.) Just want it to be clear what you're getting.
I'll try and post some temperature probing graphs soon. And I plan to do a fuller review of the Nebula in the next day (in the Nebula thread.)
Thanks. I can feel my authentic DNA's pulse sometimes when the wick is trying to re-saturate during a vape. To be honest, I'm lookin for a mod that has no message that flashes when you reach your set temp limit like the Snowwolf 200. I'm also hoping the new Smok xcube2 has real temp control. I'm super diggin the Bluetooth capability of it. I Want to learn more about it. I wish they would do that with the upcoming DNA 200, I don't own a computer. So all that cool customization you can do with it won't be possible for me.
I was expecting a page worth of answers and explanations from you specifically, and I got them!
The pulsing will be much more noticeable than on a DNA 40 I think. It doesn't ruin the vape, it just sounds/feels a bit annoying.
If you don't want a TP message flashed - and I agree - then I'm afraid the SXK are not what you're looking for. They all flash it.
Yes the new Smok XCube2 does seem to have TC. At least the specs look right for it, and it's so commonplace now that surely even Smok could stumble on how to do it right this time
Interesting what you say about DNA 200 - you're exactly the sort of person I've been invoking when I say the DNA 200 needs to have more on-mod stuff. There's definitely people out there who don't have a computer at all - all tablets and phones and whatnot. Not to mention people who really don't want to use one. And then of course Mac users, who may be catered for in the future but who knows.
At the very least it needs on-mod selection for different TC wires, else they've really missed the mark with that. They've added a new Preset function, which can allow presets for various things including TCR. So you could have a Ni200 preset, a Titanium preset, etc. You can switch preset on the mod, but only set them up on the computer. I'm assuming they're going to pre-populate those so at least non-computer users can use other wires. At least I hope they are..
The thing with the DNA 200 is that this PC interface sounds really fancy, and for tinkerers/testers like me, it'll be really interesting and fun. But for 95% of vapers, I can't see it's going to add much at all. Change the preheat strength and length and something-else: is that really needed? Why? Surely all we want is for the wire to get to temp as fast as possible. Ditto a lot of the other settings - nice in theory, but does the average user - or even the advanced user - really want to play with them that much? Beyond the first few days of "ooh new shiny!" at least, and even then only for more advanced users.
Anyway, we shall see! It'll certainly be interesting, and if it does reliable TC with many wires, which it surely will, then that's good enough of an update right there.
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I will say that I love the big screen. It's so crisp and clear, it just looks lovely. It has a downside (for me) compared to small screen in that it no longer live-updates the ohms. But that doesn't matter for anyone in practice, only if you're analysing it/are really interested in TC
Another thing I like about the large screen: this is one of the few side-screen TC mods where I can fairly easily read the screen as I vape. That's one reason I love the VF form factor, screen on top. Again it's not something that the majority of TC users care much about (the sales of the rDNA are testament to that
) but I like it, and find it useful.The Nebula screen is half way down the side of the chassis, which is far enough away for to make it out of the corner of my eye. I can read the watts with no problem at all. The temp and voltage are a little harder, being both smaller and nearer my eye, but I can make those out too. (Ditto the ohms but there's no point as they no longer live update.)
Yeah I really like the spring 510s the SXKs are using. The one on my VF is good and the Nebula is even better - a really stiff spring, perhaps even as strong as the one in my Dicodes which made a specific point in their TC guide about a strong spring being best. That's very helpful for accurate resistance readings. Not of course that the SXK are accurate, but maybe they will be sometime soon
Didn't you say that the 510 in the VF looks almost identical to the Fat Daddy v3 shorty? Maybe they even cloned it directly.
I kind of think FDV sources theirs from China so probably not cloned, probably come from the same manufacturer. They look dead on identical.Yeah I really like the spring 510s the SXKs are using. The one on my VF is good and the Nebula is even better - a really stiff spring, perhaps even as strong as the one in my Dicodes which made a specific point in their TC guide about a strong spring being best. That's very helpful for accurate resistance readings. Not of course that the SXK are accurate, but maybe they will be sometime soon
Didn't you say that the 510 in the VF looks almost identical to the Fat Daddy v3 shorty? Maybe they even cloned it directly.
Istick's getting on the TC wagon
Looks like four buttons.
Edit: here's a link for pre-order, $32
40W Eleaf iStick TC MOD Battery - 2600mAh
Looks like four buttons.
Edit: here's a link for pre-order, $32
40W Eleaf iStick TC MOD Battery - 2600mAh
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Ask and you shall receive. I just did a search at 3f for SXK VF and found a black and a blue one with different model numbers so something must be different. Here's the description, then the link:
SXK VF STYLE TEMPERATURE CONTROL VW VARIABLE WATTAGE APV BOX MOD - BLACK, ALUMINUM, 1~60W, 1 X 18650, TOUCH FEELING
Model: 4433 $69.99
SXK VF Style Temperature Control VW Variable Wattage APV Box Mod - Black, Aluminum, 1~60W, 1 x 18650, Touch Feeling - 3FVape
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Thansk for that...now what the hell is touch feeling ? lol!! It may actually be a clone of the Vaporshark flask that isnt even released yet!!!!
ah, its a frosted finish that isnt frosted finish...all is clear!!
If it's that rubberized "shark skin" I don't think I want that fragile finish.
They cant surely make as bad a job of that as VS did...can they???
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