Vaporflask partnered with Wismec/Joyetech

[Jake67]

Wow... That sounds like kinda a Hot Mess.

What level is your Firmware? I would be surprised that a New mod like this Wouldn't come with the Latest Firmware. But stranger things have happened.

Firmware download can be downloaded at the Bottom of this page.

stout - Wismec Electronics Co.,Ltd

Not sure it would be wise to that at this point.
It may cause my warranty to void out.
Really weird stuff going on here. I shut the device off change the battery and the device turns on by its self. Maybe a feature but seems odd.
I've been using the SX MINI since they came out.
I guess I'll wait and see what VF has to say. I sent them an email let's see if they respond timely.
I may also watch a few vids on the other mods with same basic board.
BTW I read the upgrade and my stout doesn't have any TCR adjustments.
Too bad!!! I was so pleasantly surprised when I opened the box.
Thank you,


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[Ryanmcg1]

Not sure it would be wise to that at this point.
It may cause my warranty to void out.


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Sorry your having trouble with your flask. I'm disappointed also hoping there's alot of good feedback fe9m these.

I'm 100% sure upgrading your firmware via Vismec's website will not void your warranty. I would suggest you do, it may fix or enhance your experience, I'm sure Wismec and Vape Forward would encourage it also. It is a feature of the board, from Wismec's Stout webpage, "Temperature Control System with Upgrade Function."

One of the features in the current FW upgrade widens the temp control resistance range and may fix the problems your resistance reading has. Per Wismec's Stout webpage, "change the resistance range: 0.05-1.5ohm for TC modes."

 

[Marc411]

I have had mine for a couple days and they all shipped with 1.10 I believe and the latest is 2.00

 

[Jake67]

Sorry your having trouble with your flask. I'm disappointed also hoping there's alot of good feedback fe9m these.

I'm 100% sure upgrading your firmware via Vismec's website will not void your warranty. I would suggest you do, it may fix or enhance your experience, I'm sure Wismec and Vape Forward would encourage it also. It is a feature of the board, from Wismec's Stout webpage, "Temperature Control System with Upgrade Function."

One of the features in the current FW upgrade widens the temp control resistance range and may fix the problems your resistance reading has. Per Wismec's Stout webpage, "change the resistance range: 0.05-1.5ohm for TC modes."

I think the biggest issue that may fix my resistance reading is the board no going into "new coil up/ same down". This should be happening every time the atty is removed and replaced.
Bottom line IMHO is VF could have used a better chip for a few dollars and sold this device for 139. all day every day.
Thanks I'll let you know more soon.


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[Jake67]

I have had mine for a couple days and they all shipped with 1.10 I believe and the latest is 2.00

Are you having any of the same issues?


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[Marc411]

I was but the same problem still happens with my DNA board all the time. I did the upgrade and threw a new Ni prebuilt coil on it and it saw it right away. The upgrade gives you a couple other modes but they are manual and hell if I know how they work yet and the manual doesn't mention anything.

For what it's worth I can see them continuing to work on the chips software after the first production run was complete. I think it's a positive that they already have improved the performance of the chip.

 

[Jake67]

I use the manual TCR values on my SX mini. Do you notice any delay in the ramp up time when you fire the mod ?


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[zoiDman]

Not sure it would be wise to that at this point.
It may cause my warranty to void out.
Really weird stuff going on here. I shut the device off change the battery and the device turns on by its self. Maybe a feature but seems odd.
I've been using the SX MINI since they came out.
I guess I'll wait and see what VF has to say. I sent them an email let's see if they respond timely.
I may also watch a few vids on the other mods with same basic board.
BTW I read the upgrade and my stout doesn't have any TCR adjustments.
Too bad!!! I was so pleasantly surprised when I opened the box.
Thank you,


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Yeah... You are probably Right.

Better to Not do anything to the Firmware unless instructed to by the Seller.

 

[Marc411]

Jake, I just tossed a 6 wrap 2.5mm build into a tank that normally comes in a .13 ohms and the Stout has it at .14. I'll take that as a good sign.

It did not ask me if it was a new tank but jumped right to the correct ohms. I know this because I keep a log of my builds. I'm running it @ 390 degrees and getting good vapor.

There is little to no ramp up and I did a dry burn test on the build and it didn't brown the cotton and TL kicked in pretty quick.

I did run the update on mine though so we are running different versions of the firmware. If you update you want to run the Stout_V2.00.bin. When you plug in the device it will tell you which version. I did mine with the battery out of the device.

 

[Marc411]

Guys, if they post the update on the website for your specific device it won't void your warranty. It's intended use once it's posted.

 

[Jake67]

Jake, I just tossed a 6 wrap 2.5mm build into a tank that normally comes in a .13 ohms and the Stout has it at .14. I'll take that as a good sign.

It did not ask me if it was a new tank but jumped right to the correct ohms. I know this because I keep a log of my builds. I'm running it @ 390 degrees and getting good vapor.

There is little to no ramp up and I did a dry burn test on the build and it didn't brown the cotton and TL kicked in pretty quick.

I did run the update on mine though so we are running different versions of the firmware. If you update you want to run the Stout_V2.00.bin. When you plug in the device it will tell you which version. I did mine with the battery out of the device.

That's interesting that yours didn't jump to the " new / same screen. Don't you find that odd ? My build was NI200 26 gauge 2.5 diameter. It came in at .05 on the stout. Always comes in @ 0.65 on my SX. I don't take that as problem.
I'm curious if the manual is for a different board.
Thanks for the response.


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[Marc411]

Any time Jake.

TL is still hit and miss in my opinion. I didn't think it was that weird because it's about the same as the Evolv chip and with the SX chip you have to prompt the device to find the correct resistance.

Honestly I think the SX is the best of the bunch. I'll let the tank cool off and see what the SX chip says.

If you're talking about the manual that came with the device I believe it was correct for the chips when they started the first run. They've been working on this mod for months and like any production run they don't make changes in the middle of production for quality reasons. It would be impossible to track failures. The manual was accurate until I updated the firmware but I figured it would be since that said:
Firmware V2.00 adds the TC-SS(specially for SS316 coil) and TCR(Temperature Coefficient of Resistance) modes, which change the resistance range: 0.05-1.5ohm for TC modes.

I'm running it at 26.2W at 340 degrees with the Ti build and it seems to be doing everything right. I backed down the wattage to keep it out of TL.

I started a Stout only thread here yesterday if you are interested. Vape Forward Stout thread

Thought it might be good to keep a thread going for the device so it will be easy to find information on the Stout.

 

[Budared]

That's interesting that yours didn't jump to the " new / same screen. Don't you find that odd ? My build was NI200 26 gauge 2.5 diameter. It came in at .05 on the stout. Always comes in @ 0.65 on my SX. I don't take that as problem.
I'm curious if the manual is for a different board.
Thanks for the response.


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From FB, someone was having similar problems and didn't realise that they had locked the atty resistance. Hope that helps

Ordered the Lite in silver from a German company and apparently on its way. Very excited

 

[Budared]

Just noticed that they recommend 25a batteries and above. My favourites are LG HG2 rated at 20a. Do I need to order new batteries or am I just limiting the wattage I use (never go much above 35)

 

[Budared]

Ok, using Mooch's formula as below, presuming that batteries can go down to 3.2v, then I get the safe upper limit for setting my wattage to be 60W on a 20a battery. So I presume that if I never go above 50w (which would already be very high for me), then I can safely use HG2's.

Please tell me if I am being an idiot!!

Max Amps Per Battery = (Max Wattage Per Battery / Minimum Voltage Per Battery) / 0.95

 

[Tpat591]

I believe your theory has merit. I do the same with Evic VTC.

 

[Croak]

Ok, using Mooch's formula as below, presuming that batteries can go down to 3.2v, then I get the safe upper limit for setting my wattage to be 60W on a 20a battery. So I presume that if I never go above 50w (which would already be very high for me), then I can safely use HG2's.

Please tell me if I am being an idiot!!

Max Amps Per Battery = (Max Wattage Per Battery / Minimum Voltage Per Battery) / 0.95

I run HG2's in all my high wattage devices, with no concerns at all (and I'm not naive or blissfully ignorant). Do keep in mind that these have a solid pulse rating, and the amount of time we spend on a puff is lower than 20-90 seconds the major battery makers consider in the pulse range (these things are made for power tools, remember?).

Also keep in mind that you're using a REGULATED mod, and they have a max amperage draw and won't draw any more than that...these ain't pipe bombs.

 

[stylemessiah]

So here is what I have so far.
Periodic lag when waking up from sleep mode. Fire button not very responsive. In temp mode when changing atty's after locking resistance the board should jump into "new coil up/ same down". This happened once and hasn't happened since.
I mean it worked once. Tested NI200 and I have to raise temp to 500 degrees to get a good vape. Fires 1.10 ohm kanthal in temp mode. Reads it at 1 ohm which is in range. I think the board reads ohms to the lower side by.05-.10 ohms. Also no presets (my personal dislike ).
Again I will say the design and craftsmanship of mod itself is fantastic. The battery door is even better.
I hope that I have a defective chip which can happen. I hope it can resolved quickly.
On the plus side in temp mode no burnt wick and I vaped it dry,dry,dry.
If someone has had better experiences it would great hear about it.



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Some of the same things you describe when i had 2 VTC Minis, along with the appalling treatment by (not) customer service at JoyeTech, including but not limited to being ignored for over a month, being answered, when i sent an email to their technical email, finally by their marketing department to "buy and Ego One tank to resolve my issues", and then the underhanded "secret beta firmware" (which was never released to anyone but a few people (and which seemed to be individually tweaked to correct resistance drops those of use who got the secret beta reported to JoyeTech)), is why i posted my "JoyeTech, wont touch anything made by/with them with a barge pole" post. They are not what id call honest in any way, shape or fashion.

My advice, to lower your frustration and get one iwth life, is to warranty return them and buy something else (maybe save up and buy a proper flask - i know, expensives!), or you could spend the warranty period doing the firmware shuffle (possibly including the underhanded "secret beta" firmware shuffle behind the scenes like i did) and run out of warranty and have a paperweight that will only ever run kanthal properly. I jumped off the frustration merry go round early, and my stress levels dropped to zero.

I hate to see people in pain with wonky gear.

No wonder Vaperflask chose a separate name to deal with Wismec/JoyeTech collaboration mods....they had to suspect there was a possibility of wonkiness coming out of it, and wanted insulation from the Vaperflask icon status....makes me wonder if i ever want a flask now though given they will do such things to earn a dollar......Vapeforward...nope

 

[Marc411]

Some of the same things you describe when i had 2 VTC Minis, along with the appalling treatment by (not) customer service at JoyeTech, including but not limited to being ignored for over a month, being answered, when i sent an email to their technical email, finally by their marketing department to "buy and Ego One tank to resolve my issues", and then the underhanded "secret beta firmware" (which was never released to anyone but a few people (and which seemed to be individually tweaked to correct resistance drops those of use who got the secret beta reported to JoyeTech)), is why i posted my "JoyeTech, wont touch anything made by/with them with a barge pole" post. They are not what id call honest in any way, shape or fashion.

My advice, to lower your frustration and get one iwth life, is to warranty return them and buy something else (maybe save up and buy a proper flask - i know, expensives!), or you could spend the warranty period doing the firmware shuffle (possibly including the underhanded "secret beta" firmware shuffle behind the scenes like i did) and run out of warranty and have a paperweight that will only ever run kanthal properly. I jumped off the frustration merry go round early, and my stress levels dropped to zero.

I hate to see people in pain with wonky gear.

No wonder Vaperflask chose a separate name to deal with Wismec/JoyeTech collaboration mods....they had to suspect there was a possibility of wonkiness coming out of it, and wanted insulation from the Vaperflask icon status....makes me wonder if i ever want a flask now though given they will do such things to earn a dollar......Vapeforward...nope

VF expanded their line beyond the Flask and that is the reason they added Vape Forward.

I purchased a Flask with a DNA 40 chip for VF and they stood behind the device even though it was a chip failure. There customer service exchanged my mod no questions asked and stood behind the mod during the whole Evolv debacle.

They don't do pre-order, they sell what they have in stock, they do not collect any revenue until the device can ship. They launched Vape Forward with a service center in place.

Their business model with a new product line launch has been respectable compared to others (cloudmaker) and there support for the DNA Flask was some of the best I've seen for the large amount of problems the DNA chip had at launch. I'm really not sure what else you could ask for from a company.

And you may see more US businesses form strategic relationships with partners in China given the pending deeming regs. They are positioning themselves to stay solvent against our governments stupidity and desire not keep collecting their MSA revenue.

 

[stylemessiah]

VF expanded their line beyond the Flask and that is the reason they added Vape Forward.

I purchased a Flask with a DNA 40 chip for VF and they stood behind the device even though it was a chip failure. There customer service exchanged my mod no questions asked and stood behind the mod during the whole Evolv debacle.

They don't do pre-order, they sell what they have in stock, they do not collect any revenue until the device can ship. They launched Vape Forward with a service center in place.

Their business model with a new product line launch has been respectable compared to others (cloudmaker) and there support for the DNA Flask was some of the best I've seen for the large amount of problems the DNA chip had at launch. I'm really not sure what else you could ask for from a company.

And you may see more US businesses form strategic relationships with partners in China given the pending deeming regs. They are positioning themselves to stay solvent against our governments stupidity and desire not keep collecting their MSA revenue.

Yup, i had a DNA40 too, not a VF mod, and Evolv were great, but the replacement chip died not long after i got it

Yup, Cloudmaker...debacle.

Im just surprised the the same guys who run Vaporflask would risk their good name by getting into bed with JoyeTech...but i take your point about positioning. Seriously though, theres other chips out there, im holding a mod (TreeBox) with the best chip (Smok) ive found outside the Yihi in my SX Mini....the Smok chip, at least in the TreeBox is the most stable thing ive found, hands down.

VapeForward should have been reading the forums here and at JoyTech, where the same issues that made me send back 2 VTC Minis are still appearing.