Vapourising tobacco

[alopezg1]

I am going to give Vapourising tobacco a try using a leaf vapouriser . I have ordered an arrizer solo and am awaiting it's arrival. I have Ben trying with the e cig and snus now for a year and still am having chronic cravings and not functioning properly . I really don't want to go back to smoking cigarettes so this is a last ditch thing really , I have tried literally everything else. I was just wondering if anyone on here , particularly those with some medical knowledge or experience might have some idea of how harmful Vapourising tobacco might be . The tobacco is heated in a vacuum , not combusted, until all of its moisture containing the nicotine and essential oils have been forced out , which are then inhaled. I plan to use it as an emergency for when the craving is to overpowering , or maybe just allow myself to use it once or twice a week just to keep myself feeling normal. I enjoy snus and vaping and would like to keep using those tools as my main form of nicotine but they don't seem to be enough to keep the cravings at bay

 

[Katmar]

Alopezg1, I am so sorry you are having problems, still. Your brain must be really hard wired for the MAOIs in cigs. I have no idea if vaporizing tobacco is harmful and I hope someone comes along and helps you out. Please be careful, whatever you do. I will keep you in my thoughts and send you good vibes.

 

[Rickajho]

I think you are trying to sell yourself a bill of goods if you think that "vaporizer" can do anything with tobacco without actually burning it in the process - the very thing you need to get away from in smoking. Sounds like it would be a short hop from "that" to returning to full time smoking if you decide to go there.

What are your problems with vaping and what isn't working for you? If you have been vaping for a year and still have serious cravings on a daily or weekly basis then there is something wrong with your vaping pattern (too little), nic level (too little) or hardware setup that isn't delivering.

 

[Burnie]

WTA might help and be safer, just a thought. Read this thread for starters.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/553603-my-experience-wta.html

Good luck and I hope you find the answer.

Vape On
Burnie

 

[alopezg1]

I think you are trying to sell yourself a bill of goods if you think that "vaporizer" can do anything with tobacco without actually burning it in the process - the very thing you need to get away from in smoking. Sounds like it would be a short hop from "that" to returning to full time smoking if you decide to go there.

What are your problems with vaping and what isn't working for you? If you have been vaping for a year and still have serious cravings on a daily or weekly basis then there is something wrong with your vaping pattern (too little), nic level (too little) or hardware setup that isn't delivering.

Why have you put inverted commas around the words that and vapouriser . It is a vapouriser , the tobacco is not burnt it is vapouriser , the moisture is removed by heating in a vacuum all of the nicotine and other alkaloids can be released by this process before combustion occurs. There is nothing wrong with my hardware or nic level i vape 36 mg liquid and use snus often at the same time.... I have tried wta , and I can detect no difference between that and regular liquid except a harsher throat hit.....

 

[Cullin Kin]

He's putting quotation marks because the 'vapouriser' is a brand of 'vaporizers' from what I can see online. The actual process of heating a substance to it's vapor state without burning it is called vaporizing.

Go ahead and read the descriptions of the items sold here: http://vapouriser.com They explicitly state they are vaporizers.

You realize that at 36mg juice while using snus, you are taking in more nicotine than the majority of people on this forum and in the vaporizing and smoking communities, right? Most shops won't even sell that potent of juice because of how powerful it is. If that level of nicotine isn't sufficient for you, then there is likely something not right with what you are doing. I see people coming off of 2+ packs a day who are perfectly content at 24mg and below.

You may be an anomaly, though it is very rare.

In my opinion, I don't think you are craving the nicotine, you're craving the hundreds to thousands of other undisclosed chemicals that tobacco companies add to their mixes that are highly addictive. Whenever you buy tobacco, you are putting yourself at risk of this unless you grow your own. Whether it's smoked, dipped, or vaporized...

Have you thought about upgrading you vape setup? Maybe to something that will produce more vapor? That's what helped me quit the most, a nice big cloud of vapor filling my lungs.

I wish you the best of luck and I truly hope you kick those cravings, snus, whatever to the side. You don't need it.

 

[Stubby]

In my opinion, I don't think you are craving the nicotine, you're craving the hundreds to thousands of other undisclosed chemicals that tobacco companies add to their mixes that are highly addictive. Whenever you buy tobacco, you are putting yourself at risk of this unless you grow your own. Whether it's smoked, dipped, or vaporized...

Have you thought about upgrading you vape setup? Maybe to something that will produce more vapor? That's what helped me quit the most, a nice big cloud of vapor filling my lungs.

I wish you the best of luck and I truly hope you kick those cravings, snus, whatever to the side. You don't need it.

You obviously haven't a clue as to what you are talking about, and have no business giving advice.

Tobacco is not the problem. Smokeless tobacco has the same low risk as vaping, and many people find it more satisfying and easier to quit smoking when supplementing there vaping with some form of smokeless tobacco.

There is no reason to believe that vaporized tobacco has any long term risk. It may very likely be less risky then current electronic cigarette setups with the unknown long term effects of inhaling flavors. As long as your source of tobacco is fairly clean there shouldn't be any issues. Heat not burn is a growing trend and has real potential for harm reduction.

Another form of smokeless tobacco that is readily available in the UK is nasal snuff. Some people find it a very good supplement (with some folks using is exclusively). It tends to be quicker hitting then other forms of smokeless tobacco, including electronic cigarettes. There is a bit of an art to using it but I can attest to the fact that once you get the hang of it, it is quite nice stuff. The UK has some of the finest snuff makers in the world.

 

[alopezg1]

He's putting quotation marks because the 'vapouriser' is a brand of 'vaporizers' from what I can see online. The actual process of heating a substance to it's vapor state without burning it is called vaporizing.

Go ahead and read the descriptions of the items sold here: Herbal Vapouriser They explicitly state they are vaporizers.

You realize that at 36mg juice while using snus, you are taking in more nicotine than the majority of people on this forum and in the vaporizing and smoking communities, right? Most shops won't even sell that potent of juice because of how powerful it is. If that level of nicotine isn't sufficient for you, then there is likely something not right with what you are doing. I see people coming off of 2+ packs a day who are perfectly content at 24mg and below.

You may be an anomaly, though it is very rare.

In my opinion, I don't think you are craving the nicotine, you're craving the hundreds to thousands of other undisclosed chemicals that tobacco companies add to their mixes that are highly addictive. Whenever you buy tobacco, you are putting yourself at risk of this unless you grow your own. Whether it's smoked, dipped, or vaporized...

Have you thought about upgrading you vape setup? Maybe to something that will produce more vapor? That's what helped me quit the most, a nice big cloud of vapor filling my lungs.

I wish you the best of luck and I truly hope you kick those cravings, snus, whatever to the side. You don't need it.

I don't understand what your point is; i know what a vaporizer is , i don't see how spelling it differently makes a difference . The e-cig is a vaporizer , just not one built to vaporize plant matter .

 

[alopezg1]

You obviously haven't a clue as to what you are talking about, and have no business giving advice.

Tobacco is not the problem. Smokeless tobacco has the same low risk as vaping, and many people find it more satisfying and easier to quit smoking when supplementing there vaping with some form of smokeless tobacco.

There is no reason to believe that vaporized tobacco has any long term risk. It may very likely be less risky then current electronic cigarette setups with the unknown long term effects of inhaling flavors. As long as your source of tobacco is fairly clean there shouldn't be any issues. Heat not burn is a growing trend and has real potential for harm reduction.

Another form of smokeless tobacco that is readily available in the UK is nasal snuff. Some people find it a very good supplement (with some folks using is exclusively). It tends to be quicker hitting then other forms of smokeless tobacco, including electronic cigarettes. There is a bit of an art to using it but I can attest to the fact that once you get the hang of it, it is quite nice stuff. The UK has some of the finest snuff makers in the world.

I have given snuff a good go stubby. It is very cheap over here in the uk and the only really readily available smokeless tobacco . I really don't like it unfortunately .... i just don't like having a blocked up nose all day, and constantly trying to excavate gunk from my nostrils . I never really got much of a nicotine hit off snuff either ... except for Dholakia white , but that made my everything smell like elephant piss for the rest of the day . Snus is the most satisfying and effective thing i have found so far , and i wish that my brain would just take that and be happy with it , but i still get these damn cravings . I have ordered about 30 lbs of whole leaf tobacco to make my own snus with and was thinking i might use some of that in the vaporizer if i absolutely needed to

 

[Uma]

I've been contemplating giving the crushed leaf a whirl myself, as a change up to combat the stressful moments life loves to dolt out. I don't quite understand how it works, but as long as the basket doesn't touch the coil, it shouldn't burn. Even if it did a little bit, there is no additional matter being burned such as the paper and glue complex formula of toxins.
There are reviewers on YT that might be worth the watch. Good luck!

 

[MotherNatural]

I've tried this several times on three different devises. One of them was the Arizer. I thought this would be the safer way to go with organic tobacco. They all worked well vaporizing the tobacco and none of them burned it. BUT…the taste was terrible to me. No way could I substitute this for smoking. I hope you have better luck. Do consider WTA.

 

[MotherNatural]

I do have one piece of advice tho. If you switch to smoking organic tobacco you are cutting out many of the added unwanted ingredients. I used organic for close to a year and I do believe that is what helped to make my transition to vaping so effortless. I had already detoxed from many of the nasty chemicals. I was a smoker for 43 years and haven't had one since the day I bought my e-cig. Nor do I have the desire.

 

[alopezg1]

I've tried this several times on three different devises. One of them was the Arizer. I thought this would be the safer way to go with organic tobacco. They all worked well vaporizing the tobacco and none of them burned it. BUT…the taste was terrible to me. No way could I substitute this for smoking. I hope you have better luck. Do consider WTA.

When you say they worked well vaporizing the tobacco , do you mean you found it satisfying but just did not like the taste? i will be using unprocessed tobacco leaves which i will be using to make snus , but will make a small mixture for the vaporizer

 

[vapero]

WTA
that's what you need

 

[alopezg1]

WTA does nothing for me

 

[Katmar]

WTA does nothing for me

Yea, it did nothing for me, either, sorry to say.

 

[wheelie]

I have a Solo Vaporizer. It does not burn and has no combustion but saying that it is not like vaping either. Works and you get the taste and goodness out of it but very little vapor on exhale. May work for you as long as you are not looking for even a small cloud. No doubt it is better than smoking it but if vaping 24mg nicotine doesn't work, I don't see a dry leaf vaporizer working either. By the way, the dried flowers that come with it taste horrible. LOL

 

[alopezg1]

I have a Solo Vaporizer. It does not burn and has no combustion but saying that it is not like vaping either. Works and you get the taste and goodness out of it but very little vapor on exhale. May work for you as long as you are not looking for even a small cloud. No doubt it is better than smoking it but if vaping 24mg nicotine doesn't work, I don't see a dry leaf vaporizer working either. By the way, the dried flowers that come with it taste horrible. LOL

Thanks wheelie , i am not going to use it for the vapor. I just want them alakloids! i also hear it is a very strong nicotine hit , like smoking 3 cigs at once someone described it as , if that doesn't stop me craving i don't know what will

 

[MotherNatural]

When you say they worked well vaporizing the tobacco , do you mean you found it satisfying but just did not like the taste? i will be using unprocessed tobacco leaves which i will be using to make snus , but will make a small mixture for the vaporizer

The vapor was very light compared to an e-cig. But I'm afraid I never got to the point of being satisfied as I couldn't get beyond the flavor to vape enough of it. I wonder if it would have helped to flavor the dry leaf?

 

[alopezg1]

Well, I just ordered 20lbs of tobacco leaf for snus making and will try some out on the vapouriser if the need arises..... I'm not sure how big 20lbs of tobacco is exactly so that's going to be fun