Also vapor doesn't bother me at all, I just want the nicotine and alkaloids to feel halfway sane
Vapourising tobacco
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Well you are going to find 20lbs is a lot of bulk. Also tobacco has a problem with "Cigarette Beetles", but there is a solution. When you get it, put it in the freezer for 3 days, that will kill the eggs of the cigarette beetles and they won't hatch. Ask me how I know
I didn't do it with my last order, big mistake, just a warning.Vape On
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I wouldn't think so, but I am no expert. When I smoked I used to keep cartons in the freezer, with the thought it would keep them fresher.
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And there lies the problem possibly. All "chemicals" have different vaporizing points, meaning some will vaporize at 350 degrees F and other won't. The numbers are irrelevant in this post just an example for illustration. If the nicotine will not vaporize at the same rate the alkaloids you now have an issue. If one is destroyed in order to vaporize another, again an issue. And finally, what if the leaf burns at a lower temperature than the nicotine or alkaloids do? You are now officially smoking!...GL!
The vapourizer doesn't get hot enough to combust the tobacco so long as the tobacco doesn't touch the heating plate. Nicotine's boiling point is 247 c but you don't need to heat it anywhere near that to get the goods , just you don't need boil the water in your clothes to dry them . From what i have heard vaporizing tobacco is very satisfying , as much , if not more so than smoking cigarettes , in fact a great deal of nicotine alkaloids are lost in combustion , more than would be if vaporized. I am just curious as to what the risks would be from vaporizing tobacco not whether or not it is possible to vaporize tobacco, it's possible to vaporize most things . Certainly there would be no tar or carbon monoxide so that is obviously a plus
I would post this in the medical proffesionals thread but apparently that is off limits!
I read a few blurbs about these types of vaporizers. They do taste like the material they're made out of at first. (Some all the time I imagine). Dry heating helps to circulate the fumes out, and plan on vaporizing a half a dozen loads without actually partaking in it, to help with the flavor problems. I hope this helps.
This is an older video, but it gives some idea of what is going on with vaporized tobacco. I don't even know if Ploom still makes this model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeXT_30Nnqk&list=UUTkiK2o-mzk5vsf-xiqnlwA
As for the nicotine and other alkaloids when vaporized.
Combustion actually destroys the alkaloids. The alkaloids we get from cigarettes are not from combustion. When a cigarette burns, there is an area just before the burning part that vaporizes the alkaloids before it is burned. That is where we actually get the nicotine and other alkaloids. Combustion is not an efficient way of getting nicotine. I believe cigarettes are only about 10% efficient.
In theory vaporizing tobacco should be a lot more efficient then burning. You will likely need a good deal less tobacco to get the same satisfaction.
Edit: As I suspected this make is no longer available. The "Ploom Two" runs on batteries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeXT_30Nnqk&list=UUTkiK2o-mzk5vsf-xiqnlwA
As for the nicotine and other alkaloids when vaporized.
Combustion actually destroys the alkaloids. The alkaloids we get from cigarettes are not from combustion. When a cigarette burns, there is an area just before the burning part that vaporizes the alkaloids before it is burned. That is where we actually get the nicotine and other alkaloids. Combustion is not an efficient way of getting nicotine. I believe cigarettes are only about 10% efficient.
In theory vaporizing tobacco should be a lot more efficient then burning. You will likely need a good deal less tobacco to get the same satisfaction.
Edit: As I suspected this make is no longer available. The "Ploom Two" runs on batteries.
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The Ploom is way expensive, but I imagine it's an overall better taste due to higher quality materials, than say a Titan from FT. Thanks for the link, I, for one, will watch it as soon as the month ends.
Did you know that tobacco is gmo unless it's organically grown? I just learned that, but haven't verified it yet. Here's the link. http://worldtruth.tv/ninety-percent-of-u-s-tobacco-is-gmo/
Did you know that tobacco is gmo unless it's organically grown? I just learned that, but haven't verified it yet. Here's the link. http://worldtruth.tv/ninety-percent-of-u-s-tobacco-is-gmo/
hmmm. well my vaporizer arrived yesterday, i bought the da vinci ascent . It's a pretty cool little thing, about the size of a mobile phone i suppose. I bought some pipe tobacco from the shop as they only had that or nasty cigarettes. It wasn't good . Tasted, well, like cheap pipe tobacco , and had absolutley no affect . I think my nicotine levels must of been fairly high or something beforehand or the temperature to low. I am going to try again in a couple of days with some american spirit. I was expecting to be kncoked on my ... but didn't even notice anything .... must be the temperature
tried again today with some normal rolling tobacco.... I defo noticed it this time and it tickled the back of my throat . Didn't taste to bad, just tasted intensely of tobacco
of medium quality. Feel nice and relaxed afterwards , certainly satisfied. The tobacco in the heating chamber is very dry and crumbly , no ash or signs of burning, although on a second attempt at it with a hgher temperature (170) i did notice small wisps of smoke so didn't use that bowl . The best temp i found was 150 c this is about 300f i think . I think a cigarette is something like 900 c . I certainly don't feel crappy as though i had just smoked a cig or lethargic , it defo doesn't feel as 'clean' as an e-cig however , probably because it isnt. It's nothing incredible
of medium quality. Feel nice and relaxed afterwards , certainly satisfied. The tobacco in the heating chamber is very dry and crumbly , no ash or signs of burning, although on a second attempt at it with a hgher temperature (170) i did notice small wisps of smoke so didn't use that bowl . The best temp i found was 150 c this is about 300f i think . I think a cigarette is something like 900 c . I certainly don't feel crappy as though i had just smoked a cig or lethargic , it defo doesn't feel as 'clean' as an e-cig however , probably because it isnt. It's nothing incredible
Have you considered asking your doctor about an anti-depressant? If it is indeed the MAO inhibitor that you're craving then that might work best. I believe there are ones that they use to help people stop smoking. Regardless, your doctor would probably be in the best position to help.
Sad to see that most of the people responding to this post have no idea what they are talking about. Having never tried a dry Leaf vape.
First off there is no combustion. So its not as dangerous as smoking.
Next it will work. I used an io-lite. During my worst days. I stopped smoking April 9th 2014.
The first two months was the hardest. Suffered from severe depression. Jobs that took me 3 hours where now taking me 3 days.
In my darkest hours I used the iolite maybe all off 3-4 times. Anything to prevent me from lighting up.
After this I got into making my own NET. 500 Grams leaf making 50 Grams juice.
Then I moved on to Whole Tobacco Absolute. Just a pin head in 10 ML is all I need.
No coil gunking.
I have made posts on this site. Telling people who are suffering like I did about this route. Its anyday better than snuff and it works. Its cheaper than WTA and cheaper than Tobacco Absolute which you guys seem to pay a bomb for. Plus the fact that what ever you get is diluted like crazy.
First off there is no combustion. So its not as dangerous as smoking.
Next it will work. I used an io-lite. During my worst days. I stopped smoking April 9th 2014.
The first two months was the hardest. Suffered from severe depression. Jobs that took me 3 hours where now taking me 3 days.
In my darkest hours I used the iolite maybe all off 3-4 times. Anything to prevent me from lighting up.
After this I got into making my own NET. 500 Grams leaf making 50 Grams juice.
Then I moved on to Whole Tobacco Absolute. Just a pin head in 10 ML is all I need.
No coil gunking.
I have made posts on this site. Telling people who are suffering like I did about this route. Its anyday better than snuff and it works. Its cheaper than WTA and cheaper than Tobacco Absolute which you guys seem to pay a bomb for. Plus the fact that what ever you get is diluted like crazy.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I have considered going on welbutrin ; I am already on anti-depressants . I think I may have finally figured out the problem
I think it might actually be the WTA'S in snus that are causing me difficulties after all . When I put a snus in I notice an immediate sense of calming and relaxtion that I don't get from vaping, but after a few minutes this changes and I start thinking about smoking, this causes anxiety and discomfort and gradually builds to the point where I have a panic attack or a massive cigarette craving. I have tried using very small amounts of snus for short periods , very high doses etc. and one thing I can say is that it always without fail results in a craving ...... If I vape exclusively the thought of smoking never crosses my mind and my anxiety levels remain normal... however I am addicted to snus now and the WTA'S , and after a few hours I start to feel empty and end up vaping like a demon.... although I have no cigarette cravings or panick attacks . My best bet now I think, is to just keep on vaping and try and get trough the next few days without touching any tobacco in any form ; my hope is that I will eventually get all of the other stuff I am addicted to out of my system , and can just vape. I don't want to smoke ever again , but every time I come into contact with tobacco and those alkaloids my brain seems to recognize it and gets all excited , wanting that massive jolt and dopamine release only a cigarette can give , even though I now find cigarettes to be disgusting . I hope that I can just get through the empty feelings for just a few days or a week and may feel better for it
I think it might actually be the WTA'S in snus that are causing me difficulties after all . When I put a snus in I notice an immediate sense of calming and relaxtion that I don't get from vaping, but after a few minutes this changes and I start thinking about smoking, this causes anxiety and discomfort and gradually builds to the point where I have a panic attack or a massive cigarette craving. I have tried using very small amounts of snus for short periods , very high doses etc. and one thing I can say is that it always without fail results in a craving ...... If I vape exclusively the thought of smoking never crosses my mind and my anxiety levels remain normal... however I am addicted to snus now and the WTA'S , and after a few hours I start to feel empty and end up vaping like a demon.... although I have no cigarette cravings or panick attacks . My best bet now I think, is to just keep on vaping and try and get trough the next few days without touching any tobacco in any form ; my hope is that I will eventually get all of the other stuff I am addicted to out of my system , and can just vape. I don't want to smoke ever again , but every time I come into contact with tobacco and those alkaloids my brain seems to recognize it and gets all excited , wanting that massive jolt and dopamine release only a cigarette can give , even though I now find cigarettes to be disgusting . I hope that I can just get through the empty feelings for just a few days or a week and may feel better for it
That was a very jumbled post ; I am very jittery because I have been vaping like a champ and drank about 5 cups of coffee. Coffee helps somehow
I think this is the way to go though- get away from all forms of tobacco and WTA'S as my brain seems unwilling to accept them unless they comme in the form of a
cigarette. Vaping doesn't seem to affect me in the same way , and I would be quite haping just doing that , I just need to get the snus out of my system and all the other stuff...... Don't know what i'm going to do with the 20lbs of tobacco leaf I now own .
cigarette. Vaping doesn't seem to affect me in the same way , and I would be quite haping just doing that , I just need to get the snus out of my system and all the other stuff...... Don't know what i'm going to do with the 20lbs of tobacco leaf I now own .
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