Variable Voltage and Patent

[Emris]

If you want to learn about what Enron did, you should watch the movie

"The Smartest Guys in the Room"

Some of the stock reporting stuff they did WAS illegal, but their main business practice, the exploiting and artificial inflating of electricity prices, was completely legal.

Again with the making me laugh. I don't get my information from movies. So that Dog will not hunt here my friend. You are passionate about this and I respect that. I do not agree with you on it, and you should respect that. Different strokes. Having dealt with the patent office on quite a few occasion, this will not happen fast or easily if at all. Now if you will excuse me I have some cease and desist letters that need to be mailed out!

 

[MasterofChaos]

"I have not read anywhere that he is trying to kill the industry"

Please read all the posts in this thread, they outline pretty clearly what he is trying to do.

Even though you may not agree with me that he is trying to kill the industry, you have to admit that what he is doing is not HELPING the industry.

And you don't think the ECF is about the free exchange of ideas and helping people? Sorry, please educate me! I guess I am naive then, I assumed that was what it was about.

What is it really about then? Please tell me! You must have a reason for being here!

What is it?

 

[retird]

I like you, You make me laugh! No it does not make me a hypocrite. I am not complaining about some one or something then turning around and doing the same thing! I have not read anywhere that he is trying to kill the industry. And since you founded the ECF I'm sure that your statement about "Arguments and free exchange of ideas is what EFC is all about" is the Gospel! It is fine to say this is what I think or this is how I see it, but to argue a point and having no facts to back it up, well makes people look foolish! I love a good debate when it is base on facts or opinions and not feelings.

I agree we should have the facts......I have been researching the "facts" a little(more work to be done).....and it seems that what I am seeing thus far is that the VV technology was in the public domain and being used, and made by others, before the Buzz was marketed....

The way I understand it (as a lay person) is that applying for a patent is one thing whereas receiving the patent is quite a different matter.....time will tell....

 

[MXBNW]

"I have not read anywhere that he is trying to kill the industry"

Please read all the posts in this thread, they outline pretty clearly what he is trying to do.

Even though you may not agree with me that he is trying to kill the industry, you have to admit that what he is doing is not HELPING the industry.

And you don't think the ECF is about the free exchange of ideas and helping people? Sorry, please educate me! I guess I am naive then, I assumed that was what it was about.

What is it really about then? Please tell me! You must have a reason for being here!

What is it?

First this is an opinion you have come up with not every ones opinion. We all can read and form our own opinion. you are assuming your way is the only way of looking at the info.

Why your here on the ECF in not by business. And why I am here is non of your business. I don't know you you don't know me. So do not amuse you know why people are here.

You run a good debate but please remember not every one will see things your way.

 

[Emris]

I agree we should have the facts......I have been researching the "facts" a little(more work to be done).....and it seems that what I am seeing thus far is that the VV technology was in the public domain and being used, and made by others, before the Buzz was marketed....

The way I understand it (as a lay person) is that applying for a patent is one thing whereas receiving the patent is quite a different matter.....time will tell....

That is a great way to put it and is fairly accurate! Like I said before you may not like it, but it is just the way it is. There are also different types of patents and all of them have different qualities and protection. Almost everything in use today in the home has had or is still under a patent with licenses bought and issued to and from manufacturers! If you plan on making money on something that I have patented I would come after you. If you are building one for your self to use or as a hobbyist then go for it! If it is proved that his statements are true and accurate then he has every right to do this to protect his investment. But like you said time will tell in the end. Thank you and good night!!

Had to through that last part in there as I am starting to feel like I have my own radio show

 

[MasterofChaos]

Well, I think the important point (and the reason that I have been posting about it) is that people should become aware of what this guy is doing.

You are right, everyone is free to form their own opinions. If you think what he's doing is cool, that's fine. I just think that when more people are aware his actions, most of them will NOT be cool with it, that's all.

I think he might lose some credibility and a lot of fanboys in the process.

You have to agree with me on that.

 

[misterD]

No, I am not ...... at anybody....... I will ask again - Did you invent the VV mod, or were you just the first to commercially market it? Simple question....

did we ever got an answer to that?

 

[Emris]

Well, I think the important point (and the reason that I have been posting about it) is that people should become aware of what this guy is doing.

You are right, everyone is free to form their own opinions. If you think what he's doing is cool, that's fine. I just think that when more people are aware his actions, most of them will NOT be cool with it, that's all.

I think he might lose some credibility and a lot of fanboys in the process.

You have to agree with me on that.

Sorry, but I do not. Create something then have some one steal it out from underneath you. Then come talk to me. You will have a different view on it! Might not be the same thing as whats going on here, but at least give them a chance to prove their case. As I see it, Mike isn't the one that started this thread or bashing in the first place. I'm sure there are going to be quite a few people that don't like it. Then there will be some that do. Most will not care about it at all as it will not directly effect them. Mike is a smart guy, if the patent goes through he is not going to stop everyone from making them. He will collect a small fee from the manufacturers then continue to make his own and improve on them. The same thing will happen with the other vendors, one will get an idea, improve on it, patent it then sell the license for use to Mike. Its not that big of a deal. He is not evil, you can tell that by his customer service!

 

[retird]

did we ever got an answer to that?

No, he pointed me to his patent application, which to me answered my question...

 

[MXBNW]

Well, I think the important point (and the reason that I have been posting about it) is that people should become aware of what this guy is doing.

You are right, everyone is free to form their own opinions. If you think what he's doing is cool, that's fine. I just think that when more people are aware his actions, most of them will NOT be cool with it, that's all.

I think he might lose some credibility and a lot of fanboys in the process.

You have to agree with me on that.

I do not have to agree with you on any thing please do not assume I have to.

Calling people Fanboys and implying some one is threatening someone is borderline in violation of the ECF conduit rules. Or at least the way I understand them. But you do not have to agree. Just my 2c

You may wont to brush up on them I would hate to see you bounced for the lack of know the rules. just trying to help.

 

[violetvoo]

Sorry, but I do not. Create something then have some one steal it out from underneath you. Then come talk to me. You will have a different view on it! Might not be the same thing as whats going on here, but at least give them a chance to prove their case. As I see it, Mike isn't the one that started this thread or bashing in the first place. I'm sure there are going to be quite a few people that don't like it. Then there will be some that do. Most will not care about it at all as it will not directly effect them. Mike is a smart guy, if the patent goes through he is not going to stop everyone from making them. He will collect a small fee from the manufacturers then continue to make his own and improve on them. The same thing will happen with the other vendors, one will get an idea, improve on it, patent it then sell the license for use to Mike. Its not that big of a deal. He is not evil, you can tell that by his customer service!

Im sorry what did he create?? he didnt create it he marketed first big diff

 

[Emris]

No, he pointed me to his patent application, which to me answered my question...

Who knows. My God Father created a attachable quiver for a bow several years before it was available to the public. Someone else put a patent on it. Really doesn't matter.

 

[Emris]

Im sorry what did he create?? he didnt create it he marketed first big diff

Sorry, I was referring to my self on that one. OK, interject market and replace create!

 

[retird]

Sorry, but I do not. Create something then have some one steal it out from underneath you. Then come talk to me. You will have a different view on it! Might not be the same thing as whats going on here, but at least give them a chance to prove their case. As I see it, Mike isn't the one that started this thread or bashing in the first place. I'm sure there are going to be quite a few people that don't like it. Then there will be some that do. Most will not care about it at all as it will not directly effect them. Mike is a smart guy, if the patent goes through he is not going to stop everyone from making them. He will collect a small fee from the manufacturers then continue to make his own and improve on them. The same thing will happen with the other vendors, one will get an idea, improve on it, patent it then sell the license for use to Mike. Its not that big of a deal. He is not evil, you can tell that by his customer service!

If the facts prove that the VV technology was in the public domain before the Buzz came out and the patent application, do you believe it should become his property to defend, or just an invalid patent?

 

[Emris]

If the facts prove that the VV technology was in the public domain before the Buzz came out and the patent application, do you believe it should become his property to defend, or just an invalid patent?

If he beat someone to the punch and has legal grounds to do so then yes, I think he should get it. Let me say this. I am no notcigs fanboy, I am a REO fanboy!!

 

[misterD]

this post is dated 06-07-2009. if thats not enough evidence than what is?

I've now banged off about 8 mods with differing levels of success and have decided that variable voltage is the only solution. There are just too many factors that determine the type of hit someone may desire at a given time.

Here are a few of them:

• Mood (relaxed longer pulls require lower voltage)
• Atomizer model (obvious differences)
• Atomizer brand (resistances vary)
• Juice Mix (PG or VG, VG at higher voltages has potential health risks)
• Juice Flavour (Some flavours 'burn' much easier than others)
• Personal preference (flavour vs throat hit)

The only downsides to doing voltage regulation is it increases costs a bit and increases size requirements just a bit. Ive been using one for about a week and a half now and it is now my standard 'go to' vaper even though its an ugly bat box mod.

I now have better VR chips and better quality pots and hopefully can do a real mod with the new stuff. Will report any issues but so far VR is hands down the way to go for controlled vaping.

 

[twgbonehead]

Hey retird,

I am curious: I agree with you that Buzzkill is doing what he thinks he must do, however are you okay with him using the resources of the ECF to do it?

That's the big problem I have.

MC,

I think one of the ground rules of a forum like this (or any public internet forum) is that the info is provided where is, as is. The people who provide info here do so with the knowledge that the info is public, and can be used by anyone, anywhere, for any reason at all. There's no implication that info you provide can't be used by someone else to make money, or to sue someone else, or even to support a bill in congress outlawing PV's. That's just how it is.

 

[GMoney]

twgbonehead - BTW, Welcome to ECF! It's always good to see more people from MA.

 

[FreakyStylie]

OK, it took me a while to find this stinking picture. This whole thing reminds me of this picture. It's a little girl's birthday party. She goes to blow out her candle, because it's her birthday. Another child comes along and tries to steal her thunder.

http://mediocritycomplex.com/uploads/baby.brother.spoils.blowing.out.birthday.candles.spoiler.gif

The cake and candles belong to the little girl. There are a lot of people that need to stop acting like little kids who go around trying to blow out other people's candles.

Besides, this is the business world. Business is about making money, and therefore should be run in a professional and legal manner.

 

[RippleInStillWater]

Big Tobacco will buy any patent out there soon enough!!!

No, I don't begrudge anyone trying to make a buck, its just going to be messy and I like mellowness........