Variable Voltage and Touch Switch?

[forcedfuel50]

I am interested in how they work, what parts one uses to make one work and the Pro's and con's. I have interest in the future of producing a mod that combines my precision machining with some of these features. I don't want to copy others peoples work, so i would prefer to start from scratch and learn. Your thoughts and ideas are welcome

 

[mixitman]

I think if you implemented a touch switch exactly where your button is now it would be pretty sick.. Replace the existing button with something sexy and non-conductive, put the touch button/switch/nub centered in it, maybe recessed a bit, and the only time the unit would fire would be when you're holding it in your hand and complete the circuit with the nub. I think the biggest problem would be a contrast in the materials used between the body and the encasement around the nub might look off.

 

[Switched]

If you want my honest opinion, and you know Dave you are going to get it regardless.

Stop trying to keep up with the Jones! Why would you want to introduce electronics into a device that is flawless, unless you are only in it for the buck?

 

[mixitman]

Why does innovation have to be keeping up with the jones? Sometimes when you reach a certain level, you need to innovate and change things up. Giving thought about changes that may or may not be implemented elsewhere in the industry can also open up other unexplored avenues. One minute you're thinking about touch switches and variable voltages, the next you're saying "wait a minute! THIS could work!" and "this" could have nothing to do with either of the things you were thinking about to begin with.

I think staying stagnant or content with a product in this exploding market would be a huge mistake.

 

[Trox.Shawn]

Dave wanting to venture into touch sensors or other areas does not discredit what he said previously. The precise unit is a mod to last a life time, but I see no wrong in wanting to explore something new to supplement the Super T line. Imagine a world where everyone settled for what worked all the time. We would be riding horses and fetching our water from the creek down the road.

David is a nice guy, and he does value his consumer base. In the end, however, it is a business and if a large portion of potential consumers are looking for such a device why not combine the excellence of his machining in combination with modern technology. Falling into the "jones" may allow for even further advancement as mixitman stated.

 

[JollyRogers]

Can't speak to how it works, but to the pros and cons, I have had it since it's release ~6 weeks and it is my primary PV. I don't own anything from Super T, but have looked at them several times and consider them to be a beautiful PV. The only reason I never purchased was non-availability at the time and honestly, I was looking for an 18650 mod. I also have been following your new 18650 mod, but don't do pre-orders, so have been waiting for it's release to decide after some reviews.
Pros: They hit every time. My fingers etc do not get tired of pushing a switch (the xxxx was wearing me out). There seems to be 0 voltage loss and they can handle a lot of current through the switch (it hits much stronger then any other mod I have used @ the same voltage. Sealed. No switch to look at or break. No switch to clean or catch on things. Sits on end easily. very little space required for the electronics. Does not fire in my pocket or in it's case.
Cons: When changing batteries or atomizer/cartridges, easily fired by touching the sensor (though you learn to get around that problem). Fluid will fire it (on mine at least). My hands can't be dry, but usually not a problem. If the touch sensor breaks, I don't expect I will be fixing it myself.

With incorporating double touch to turn it on/off it would eliminate the problem of accidental firing.

I have read some other threads on the mod section on what it basically takes, but didn't research it to much. You might find some reading there...

Looking @ the pros/cons, your 18650 Precise meets those marks and maybe better. I just don't know how the switch "feel" is on the Precise. Honestly, I don't think I would change anything if I was you, what you produce is a work of art and appears to be very functional and user serviceable. When I look back, the reason I got what I got was because it was first and foremost an 18650, didn't have the switch on the side like the GG or Xhaler, was not large in relative size like the SB or Sabre (actually avail after I got mine), and it was available. It just happened to have a touch sensor, and I happen to think it works very well and have come to like it a lot.

Hope this helps you.

PS: regardless when it the 18650 Precise is actually out in the wild, I'll probably be looking real hard at it.

 

[forcedfuel50]

Mechanical and stainless steel will give one the longest service life and will be more dependable long term then electronics. However, i'm not eliminating my mechanical PV line, just looking into expanding my PV line to include some other features. I think it's a win-win situation for the business and consumer alike.

Now back to the topic at hand, pro's and con's and inner workings for touch switches and variable voltage

 

[Synthnadz]

Put it this way: if you'd incorporated these features already, I would have bought one of your units instead of the others that I've recently purchased. You see where the interest on these forums is headed, for good reason. My suggestion: go there. ;-)

 

[Switched]

OK then I will link to your words:

New Precise 18650 and 16340 Models! - E-Cigarette Forum

 

[JollyRogers]

Dave, here is a link to what I read on ECF regarding building a touch sensor. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/90438-touch-switch-building-info.html
Maybe it will help some?

 

[forcedfuel50]

Dave, here is a link to what I read on ECF regarding building a touch sensor. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/90438-touch-switch-building-info.html
Maybe it will help some?

Good info, looks like i have some reading to do!

Does anyone know the expected life span of a mofset under the amperage and voltage we subject them to?

 

[BrockJ]

I don't know anything about the touch sensor thingimajig but I like what you do.

If you build it and it looks classy, is small and is of the same high quality and design I've come to know.... I'd buy one (16340)

Oh!! and, it's gotta pass the Mom test. Tell your mom hello

 

[Hash25]

Hi David,

I wonder if there is any way at all that you could implement a variable voltage switch without abandoning the fully mechanical nature of your mods. Perhaps that would be the ultmate variable voltage if it could be produced.

One of the main reasons that I buy your mods i because of the consistent mechanical nature of the devices you make. So whatever your thinking of doing just make sure that it is consistent and generally fail proof.

Cheers.

 

[forcedfuel50]

Yeah, i'm throwing several ideas around in my head for the future. One could do a variable voltage with a mechanical type switch or a traditional sealed switch. I'm curious too to find the expected life span of these new touch switches that utilize a mofset.

 

[Switched]

Hi David,

I wonder if there is any way at all that you could implement a variable voltage switch without abandoning the fully mechanical nature of your mods. Perhaps that would be the ultmate variable voltage if it could be produced.

One of the main reasons that I buy your mods i because of the consistent mechanical nature of the devices you make. So whatever your thinking of doing just make sure that it is consistent and generally fail proof.

Cheers.

I was wondering the same thing and hence why I posted. Once you introduce any kind of electronic components into a device, it now has a weakness, and why I was so flabbergasted with Dave's new direction.

 

[gatsby]

To me variable voltage is kind of a gimmick, but I also don't mess around with a lot of different atomizers either. If anything I can see the benefit to a regulated voltage unit for more consistency. I am not sure that I would even be tempted by that though since I also like the all mechanical option. Maybe it is because I started when all that was available were standard batteries and PTs with their crappy electronics, but I also have a whole drawer full of mods and my original T1 is still my go to everyday user (now improved only with LiMN batteries and LR atomizers). I like the idea that nothing can go wrong and cleaning and maintenance is all pretty much WYSIWYG.

 

[datacreek]

Funny thing i've been looking at the Precious and the new Precise 18650. Priced the same and for my money looking like the best 18650 mods available, although the Omega is looking interesting. I've started leaning toward the Precise because of things like your hand must be damp... how damp? I use a touch screen phone and a touchpad laptop, I don't want my hands to be damp.
So looking seriously at the Precise. I'm not down with variable voltage at all give me a LR atty and an 18650 battery.

 

[JollyRogers]

Funny thing i've been looking at the Precious and the new Precise 18650. Priced the same and for my money looking like the best 18650 mods available, although the Omega is looking interesting. I've started leaning toward the Precise because of things like your hand must be damp... how damp? I use a touch screen phone and a touchpad laptop, I don't want my hands to be damp.
So looking seriously at the Precise. I'm not down with variable voltage at all give me a LR atty and an 18650 battery.

They don't have to be damp. You just can't have like super dried out finger tips. Like when the humidity is 0% and its 20f outside...

 

[forcedfuel50]

Just to reiterate, this isn't a new direction for Super-T; The mechanical line of products i sell isn't going away what-so-ever. This is simply an additional device I'd like to add to my lineup

Im wondering if the variable voltage would require any more supporting electronics beyond some sort of adjustable voltage regulator. My goal would still be to keep it simple as possible.

 

[BrockJ]

but I also have a whole drawer full of mods and my original T1 is still my go to everyday user

My T1 is the main machine. I have to almost make myself use the others unless I'm taking one when I travel. (Don't travel with the T1)

It's simple, has a great design, is comfortable in hand and works like a swiss watch.. Very rarely I'll clean the adapter and switch with Everclear, re-apply a little silver conducting grease and go again...