Maybe sub-ohm vaping and blowing big clouds isn't for you, it's definitely not for me.
Very disappointed with sub ohm vaping!
- Thread starter quovadis
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
1: Yes wire size plays a role
2: Heat flux is not just a 'guideline value' ; if you look at the colored flame thing next to heat flux, you might notice that for low values, it is blue, for high values it is more red; around 200, it is green.
3: Yes you see a hotter vape on the 28 gauge than the 26 gauge; 333 mW/mm2 is hotter than 166 mW/mm2
Why bother? You've been around the block a few times, so you know what is pants out there. These days I find that an iStick 50w with a GS-Air works perfectly. Ymmv. 
I think I have to build some higher resistance coils as some of you suggested. The materials are on the way. I have only tried 0.5 and 1.2 ohm pre-made atomizers up til now. I think that a 26 gauge, 6 turns or more, with even spacing (for vg liquid) should be good. I use VG 100% with some Capella flavors
I was used to vaping 22mg nicotine, but this is too ferocious for these sub ohm systems, and certainly gets the old heart racing faster.
What I simply do not understand is people showing these you tube videos with 25 watts and 0.5 ohm being a sweet spot on the Kanger pre-made coils, when it's like a furnace for me.
As for someone mentioning that there are different ways to "lung inhale" this is quite confusing. I understand there is a potential of speed/rate and quantity of inhale difference. I do not see how there's another "way" to lung inhale? Am i missing out on something?
I was used to vaping 22mg nicotine, but this is too ferocious for these sub ohm systems, and certainly gets the old heart racing faster.
What I simply do not understand is people showing these you tube videos with 25 watts and 0.5 ohm being a sweet spot on the Kanger pre-made coils, when it's like a furnace for me.
As for someone mentioning that there are different ways to "lung inhale" this is quite confusing. I understand there is a potential of speed/rate and quantity of inhale difference. I do not see how there's another "way" to lung inhale? Am i missing out on something?
Yeah... The Reason I used the word "Guideline" when referring to the calculated Heat Flux is because Actual Temperature at the Coil depends on more Variables that just Wire Type/Geometry.
Heat Exchange via Wicking comes to mind.
But the Reason I mentioned Heat Flux is that I Don't build Much. I'm kinda Stuck in my Happy Rut. But when I see an Order of Magnitude difference between these 2 Gauges of Kanthal for the Heat Flux, I scratch my head and Wonder if a person like the OP would be Happier with trying a different gauge of Wire?
it's a big change but I think if you go through it you'll be a happier vaper
new equipment kind of sucks for old school vaping IMO
I never, ever saw myself doing direct lung inhales. I'd been vaping mtl for over four years. I adjusted and now there is no way I'd go back. Vaping is much more satisfying for me than it's ever been.
Vape the way you want to vape and who cares how anyone else does it, but at least give the right setup a chance before you write off running higher watts on a subohm setup. It didn't click for me until I got a Subtank Mini and a Troll. The other tanks and attys I tried were not doing it for me at all, but those two clicked right away and I got it.
new equipment kind of sucks for old school vaping IMO
I never, ever saw myself doing direct lung inhales. I'd been vaping mtl for over four years. I adjusted and now there is no way I'd go back. Vaping is much more satisfying for me than it's ever been.
Vape the way you want to vape and who cares how anyone else does it, but at least give the right setup a chance before you write off running higher watts on a subohm setup. It didn't click for me until I got a Subtank Mini and a Troll. The other tanks and attys I tried were not doing it for me at all, but those two clicked right away and I got it.
There is your problem, should have told us from the get-go.
You should be using 3mg nic.
I think this is a Good Call.
Kanthal is Cheap. And it is easy to pickup a Range of gauges to see what type of Builds you like Best. And having some Lower mg e-Liquids is not a bad call Either.
If I Sub-Ohm-ed 22mg, I would get a Pounding Headache.
For Me when I use an RBA, I like Restricted Air Flow with a Slow Lung Hit on Lower mg. Else it is just Too Harsh.
I vape like you want to vape. Sub ohm isn't my thing either, for all the reasons you listed.
What will work for you?
Aspire Nautilus tanks with 2.1 ohm coils. I vape those at 10.5 watts or 4.5 volts. Good vapor production and flavor but still a cool vape.
My preferred current topper is the Kayfun 2 plus. I use 29g Kanthal 8 to 9 wraps around 2mm coil winder for 1.3 to 1.5 ohm coils, wicked with cotton at 11.5 to 12.5 watts. Cool vape and very flavorful.
I'be tried lots of the "cool" new stuff, but these are my preferred methods of vaping.
What will work for you?
Aspire Nautilus tanks with 2.1 ohm coils. I vape those at 10.5 watts or 4.5 volts. Good vapor production and flavor but still a cool vape.
My preferred current topper is the Kayfun 2 plus. I use 29g Kanthal 8 to 9 wraps around 2mm coil winder for 1.3 to 1.5 ohm coils, wicked with cotton at 11.5 to 12.5 watts. Cool vape and very flavorful.
I'be tried lots of the "cool" new stuff, but these are my preferred methods of vaping.
Let me define the problem:
Been using stacked 3.7 volt batteries (8volts) for years with a 5ohm~5.5ohm pre-made atomizer. Pre-made in the sense that I have them made in China at that ohms value.
I find the Vivi nova coils or atomizers are losing flavor too fast, and I replace one every day. So i got sick and tired of buying these. I felt the need to transition to variable wattage system with something new as tank and atomizer, and got myself "conned" into this sub ohm stuff.
Since 2006~2007 when i started vaping I have never made my own coils or owned an RBA.
So I either need to find a pre-made atomizer and tank that will give me a good vape (and lasts more than one day without losing flavor), or I have to make my own coils.
The important elements are :
1. Mouth to lung
2. Cold/ cool vape
3. Plenty of taste
4. the atomizer has to last for a few days at least without suddenly deteriorating in a few hours.
Here's what I use to make coils couldn't be any easier. http://www.amazon.com/Artistic-Wire...1427839577&sr=8-1&keywords=Deluxe+wire+winder
Do some searches on ECF for some video information on making and installing coils/wicks with the Wire Gizmo.
For the perfect coils for the Kayfun I took an regular old wire coat hanger and made another mandril that was the perfect size coils.
Do some searches on ECF for some video information on making and installing coils/wicks with the Wire Gizmo.
For the perfect coils for the Kayfun I took an regular old wire coat hanger and made another mandril that was the perfect size coils.
I started on a Vamo V5 topped with a nautilus. Perfectly fine for MTL, cool vapor, decent taste and the 1.7ohm coils lasted me for a week. I used that setup for a long time. Never had any interest in subohm or lung hits or RBAs. In fact, I was anti-subohm for a really long time.
That is...until I tried a set up of my friends, and haven't looked back since. The satisfaction I get from rebuildables is unmatched in every aspect. And just because it's a rebuildable, doesn't mean you have to build it hot. And just because it's subohm doesn't mean it's going to be hot. There are waaaay too many variables to just write off rebuildables because of one experience with them.
That is...until I tried a set up of my friends, and haven't looked back since. The satisfaction I get from rebuildables is unmatched in every aspect. And just because it's a rebuildable, doesn't mean you have to build it hot. And just because it's subohm doesn't mean it's going to be hot. There are waaaay too many variables to just write off rebuildables because of one experience with them.
More power means greater and faster vapor production, crackling is audible evidence of this almost explosive vapor production. To me it's a beautiful sound.
Reminds me of this time on the Trường Sơn trail back in '73.....
Reminds me of this time on the Trường Sơn trail back in '73.....
Time around the Mekong Delta is something that some people would like to be able to Forget.
lung hits with a tank with good airflow and the right juice beats all other forms of vaping IMO . Idk what you mean though , airflow is adjustable in most tanks and i dont think it should be a problem doing mouth hits on a sub ohm device as long as the coil is more than 6 wraps or more .
It can't be that hard to realize that some people don't like warm vapor and wide open airflow. What might seem like restricted and cool on a sub ohm tank can still be warm and too open for others. It's all good everyone just has their own preferences.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
