VG Causing Blood Sugar Spikes

[SweetPuff]

Hello, this question may have been addressed, but can't seem to find answers...so have to ask fellow ECF'ers if you've experienced blood sugar spikes from vaping VG?

I started vaping a few months ago, mostly all PG or very high PG liquids (10-20% VG). Recently, started vaping higher vg juices (33-80% VG) with natural flavorings that I loved...unfortunately, along with enjoying VG came skyrocketing blood sugar spikes, that caused both immediate and prolonged spikes as well as high fasting levels the next day. I switched back to the PG juices, and blood sugar went right back down to what it was prior to vaping VG.

Has anyone else experienced this w/ VG?

 

[Delilah718]

Hello, this question may have been addressed, but can't seem to find answers...so have to ask fellow ECF'ers if you've experienced blood sugar spikes from vaping VG?

I started vaping a few months ago, mostly all PG or very high PG liquids (10-20% VG). Recently, started vaping higher vg juices (33-80% VG) with natural flavorings that I loved...unfortunately, along with enjoying VG came skyrocketing blood sugar spikes, that caused both immediate and prolonged spikes as well as high fasting levels the next day. I switched back to the PG juices, and blood sugar went right back down to what it was prior to vaping VG.

Has anyone else experienced this w/ VG?

Hi Sweetpuff,
Sorry you are experiencing sugar spikes. As someone who wants to reduce allergic reactions from PG, I have been using greater amounts of VG, like 80 VG / 20 PG. If anyone has suffered symptoms from VG, I'd like to know what they are too.
Thanks for posting.

 

[EvilGnome6]

According to the Wikipedia page on Glycerol, VG does not raise blood sugar levels. Perhaps it was something in the flavoring or something else that you were reacting to.

 

[GitMoe]

I was talking to a chemist friend of mine the other day about this possible situation. Im not diabetic and neither is he so we don't really have any experience. But, he mentioned that prolonged use of "sweet" tasting foods or liquids can cause a spike in blood sugar from the body reacting to an expectation of increased sugar intake based on flavors. He said this was studied in things like Diet Soda. Maybe Google search for something similar and see what you find...

 

[SweetPuff]

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it!

Gitmoe, that's a great point, hadn't thought of that...my PG juices that are sweetened w/ sucralose haven't had much effect, but the VG juices that caused the spike were sweetened with stevia. Although stevia hasn't caused problems when eating foods or drinks that contain it, maybe stevia absorbed through the lungs via vaping is metabolized differently? I'll look into that.

 

[aprioristic]

According to the Wikipedia page on Glycerol, VG does not raise blood sugar levels. Perhaps it was something in the flavoring or something else that you were reacting to.

Regardless of this, PG is used to keep cattle out of ketosis and from everything I understand it seems like VG would have an even stronger effect on metabolism. Unless you are allergic to PG, I urge people to get over the perceived need for huge clouds of vapor. VG is worse for atomizers too.

OP, if you have problems with blood sugar, I also urge you to take a look at this website. It's contrary to popular opinion but I can personally vouch for its effectiveness in some ways, though I didn't have much of a problem to begin with. There's some detailed explanations if you look back through older blog posts on how sugar and carbs effect you. It's thought that anything sweet tasting, even Diet Coke type things, effects metabolism. I don't quite understand this recent research, but it is probably related too:

Monell Offers New Information about Sweet Taste Receptors | PerfumerFlavorist.com

 

[SweetPuff]

Thank you aprioristic, it's very interesting information and so glad you posted the links. I hope all diabetics or those with insulin resistance/ blood sugar issues monitor its effects...just in case.

My hubby and I follow many of those diet recommendations listed, and they have helped immensely...I think we'll try all of them and see if that helps even more.

There is so much to learn, thanks for sharing the knowledge!

Regardless of this, PG is used to keep cattle out of ketosis and from everything I understand it seems like VG would have an even stronger effect on metabolism. Unless you are allergic to PG, I urge people to get over the perceived need for huge clouds of vapor. VG is worse for atomizers too.

OP, if you have problems with blood sugar, I also urge you to take a look at this website. It's contrary to popular opinion but I can personally vouch for its effectiveness in some ways, though I didn't have much of a problem to begin with. There's some detailed explanations if you look back through older blog posts on how sugar and carbs effect you. It's thought that anything sweet tasting, even Diet Coke type things, effects metabolism. I don't quite understand this recent research, but it is probably related too:

Monell Offers New Information about Sweet Taste Receptors | PerfumerFlavorist.com

 

[jlarsen]

VG breaks down into glucose in the body, so I would assume that it COULD have an effect on blood sugar level. But at the small amounts found in ejuice, I would find it hard to believe it would be a noticeable effect, but that's just an assumption on my part.

 

[aprioristic]

Thank you aprioristic, it's very interesting information and so glad you posted the links. I hope all diabetics or those with insulin resistance/ blood sugar issues monitor its effects...just in case.

My hubby and I follow many of those diet recommendations listed, and they have helped immensely...I think we'll try all of them and see if that helps even more.

There is so much to learn, thanks for sharing the knowledge!

Glad I could help. Dr. Harris' paleo is kind of different from other low carb approaches like Atkins. The main difference I see is the use of healthy fats (coconut oil, butter, ghee) over less healthy ones like olive oil. If anyone is baffled by me calling those healthy vs. that spread in their fridge with some AHA endorsement on it, read more at my previous link and also Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.

VG breaks down into glucose in the body, so I would assume that it COULD have an effect on blood sugar level. But at the small amounts found in ejuice, I would find it hard to believe it would be a noticeable effect, but that's just an assumption on my part.

Just saying that it "breaks down into glucose" is vastly oversimplifying things. Honestly I don't understand the whole picture well enough, but from what I understand VG clearly has some negative effect on metabolism. Is it worse than PG or really important if a person otherwise eats unhealthily? Maybe not, but from every angle I think people should use as little VG as they can.

 

[mwa102464]

I started a thread on this Topic a year ago or so, it never went anywhere, I was surprised, hopefully this one sticks. I also started another one a month or two back and AngusATAT, and a few others and I also had some things in common with our vaping and elevated blood sugars and had some discussion about a few things on this topic as well. I am a type 2 diabetic and have sworn ever since I have been vaping my Blood sugars have been elevated, and they are. I haven't been able to figure it out and what to vape and what not to vape, lots of the ingredients in sugar free stuff seem to elevate my levels too like the sugar free french vanilla creamer I like in my coffee, it is all the sucralose, Acesulfame, and especially corn syrups and other sweetener products they use, I can't think of them off the top of my head this second but its crazy how it all works on me. Everyone has a different make up and is effected differently from different products.

As for the coconut oil it is extremely healthy and good for your diet, I take a spoonful once a day along with flax-seed oil. Anyways lets keep this thread going folks it is important stuff to those of us diabetics to learn as much as we possibly can on the blood sugars and how there effected from what flavorings and products used in eliquids to educate all of us as much as possible.

Thank you Sweetpuff for starting this thread again, lets keep it going this time.!

 

[SweetPuff]

I know it sounds pretty crazy that vaping a few mls of vg juice could have such a huge effect...but I can tell you first hand, that for me (maybe not for many other people) it drives my blood sugar through the roof. I soooo wish that wasn't the case, but unfortunately it is.

Did a bunch of reading today, and found several other people that had a similar, or much worse reaction to it. The main concern is for diabetics...if you're not, then it'll probably have little to no impact and should consider yourself very lucky. Its a big pain to have to watch out for every single form of sugar, but it's part of life that we have to deal with...

VG breaks down into glucose in the body, so I would assume that it COULD have an effect on blood sugar level. But at the small amounts found in ejuice, I would find it hard to believe it would be a noticeable effect, but that's just an assumption on my part.

 

[IOWN]

Hi all, keep in mind that vape is absorbed through the lungs and into the blood stream. All the current research on sweeteners and glucose metabolizing have been tested on actually eating the stuff which is less dramatic than inhalation. So a couple ml's could go a long way I'm guessing at least 10X.

I'm not diabetic but don't want to become diabetic!!! It's already in my genes, gma and ma both have the lesser type (no needles) plus I dump sugar in my coffee already lol.

I wish I had a blood tester for this purpose. Interesting fact about VG turning into glucose... We could be trashing our pancreases or whatever. Or even making ourselves sugar crash all day without even realizing it.

To anyone with diabetes: Let us know what sweeteners have the least affect on your bsl please.

I use 50/50 pg/vg DIY my flavors are TPA sweetened with sucralose.

I'll gladly toss the vg to keep my bsl normal!!

 

[IOWN]

I'm just looking for the LEAST amount of anything(chemicals) that MIGHT effect me down the road and still allow me to vape wonderfull flavors SWEETLY lol. Is that too much to ask???

 

[SweetPuff]

Hi IOWN,
in my case, vaping low nic (6-12mg) pg liquids sweetened w/ a little sucralose hasn't caused bs spikes. have to agree w/ aprioristic, avoiding the vg is probably the best route to stay on the safe side. since you diy, you'll be able to play w/ the ratios and get pg based flavorings rather than vg based.

Getting a blood glucose meter is cheap, and testing is very easy. Testing regularly has saved me and helped identify exactly what foods are ok, and which are no-no's. You can even get a brand new one with test strips on ebay for very little $. Testing truly doesn't hurt much at all, and once your used to it, you hardly feel it. Here's a link in case you decide to get one...then you can see which sweeteners have the least impact for you. TRUETrack Blood Glucose (50) Test Strips FREE METER - eBay (item 220736146053 end time Apr-08-11 08:33:47 PDT) Wish you all the best!

Hi all, keep in mind that vape is absorbed through the lungs and into the blood stream. All the current research on sweeteners and glucose metabolizing have been tested on actually eating the stuff which is less dramatic than inhalation. So a couple ml's could go a long way I'm guessing at least 10X.

I'm not diabetic but don't want to become diabetic!!! It's already in my genes, gma and ma both have the lesser type (no needles) plus I dump sugar in my coffee already lol.

I wish I had a blood tester for this purpose. Interesting fact about VG turning into glucose... We could be trashing our pancreases or whatever. Or even making ourselves sugar crash all day without even realizing it.

To anyone with diabetes: Let us know what sweeteners have the least affect on your bsl please.

I use 50/50 pg/vg DIY my flavors are TPA sweetened with sucralose.

I'll gladly toss the vg to keep my bsl normal!!

 

[IOWN]

Sweet thanks! double pun intended lol!!

Yeah money was my worry with the tester. I DIY everything from fixing cars to pv's so may as well DIY my body as well lol. I was actually thinking of doing my own piercing, so not worried about a little ......

I read the other thread with all the diabetics on it. I didn't copy the link but It should go here: www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/.../162437-diabetes-vaping.html
eventually.

Everyones different and there's no perfect mix, I guess. It seams surculose is the best sweetener.

Didn't you say you used stevia when you noticed spikes or did you have spikes with (just VG),nic,flav?

I also have one kidney so I gotta keep an eye on that!

Thanks and good luck!

 

[Justice]

I am a diabetic and have had no change in b/s with pg or vg but have with other things teas etc had issues with change mostly down but that's not to say that some other substances possibly some flavorings may not do the opposite the amount of juice vapid wouldn't likely affect your blood sugar imagine drinking the vg amount you vape ??? Not too likely to make any change. Have you got any plain vg take a couple ml and see if it makes any bs change for u. Hope you figure it out.

 

[Arsenic]

[snip]
Glad I could help. Dr. Harris' paleo is kind of different from other low carb approaches like Atkins. The main difference I see is the use of healthy fats (coconut oil, butter, ghee) over less healthy ones like olive oil. If anyone is baffled by me calling those healthy vs. that spread in their fridge with some AHA endorsement on it, read more at my previous link and also Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.
[/snip]

Looked at link a bit... yeah...

Beef fat = good (??? it's solid at room temperature and still thick if you hold it in your hands)

Olive oil = bad?

Oh my...

Do you have a death wish or something?

It doesn't take a paleonthologist to figure out that a heart attack can kill a person!

From website:

PaNu practitioners typically range from 5-35% carbohydrate, from 10-30% protein and from 50 to 80% fat (mostly from animals)

Death diet, seriously. We, [current and former] smokers are already at risk for heart disease, and you with all seriousness suggest this diet is healthy. Couldn't you put up a disclaimer or something?

That this is for entertainment purposes only and that ancient people only lived to about 30 years old!!


If you care to know, we are all primates. Like monkeys and the great apes - chimps, gorilas and orangutangs. What do they eat? Mostly fruit. Some protein, other plant matter like seeds, but mostly fruit.

We, primates are omnivores like bears and pigs, so our stomachs can handle a whole variety of food, but our gut is still a fruit-eater's gut. Our teeth, same way.

We are not cats... or dogs... and we all know how long our beloved pets can live... they have no choice but to eat a nearly all-meat diet, but we do. Cholesterol and all that ammonia in the urine are great examples of how meat and its metabolytes can affect the body when not eaten in moderation.

It's your body, it's up to you.

No watermelons, no apples.. facepalm 2/3 animal-based meals... well, enjoy your kidney stones

Sorry if i hurt your feelings. I'm just concerned. Concerned that comeone will take this all without a grain of salt. And they are free to do what they want. But i reserve the right to question what i consider deadly advice.

-[Arsenic]

 

[SweetPuff]

IOWN,

Some of the vg juices I vaped when I had the crazy spikes were sweetened w/ stevia and some w/ sucralose (two different suppliers, received and started vaping both at the same time). Not sure if the stevia contributed to the spike or not, but know the vg did it...tested it again w/ plain unsweetened vg nic base, same issue.

Hubby and I use stevia (in foods/drinks) in moderation, and it hasn't had any bs impact to date...so don't I don't think it's the stevia...but i'm too gun shy to continue experimenting. for now, just sticking to the pg juices sweetened w/ sucralose since they don't cause my bs to go nuts.

Sweet thanks! double pun intended lol!!

Yeah money was my worry with the tester. I DIY everything from fixing cars to pv's so may as well DIY my body as well lol. I was actually thinking of doing my own piercing, so not worried about a little ......

I read the other thread with all the diabetics on it. I didn't copy the link but It should go here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rum.com/forum/.../162437-diabetes-vaping.html
eventually.

Everyones different and there's no perfect mix, I guess. It seams surculose is the best sweetener.

Didn't you say you used stevia when you noticed spikes or did you have spikes with (just VG),nic,flav?

I also have one kidney so I gotta keep an eye on that!

Thanks and good luck!

 

[IOWN]

I am a diabetic and have had no change in b/s with pg or vg but have with other things teas etc had issues with change mostly down but that's not to say that some other substances possibly some flavorings may not do the opposite the amount of juice vapid wouldn't likely affect your blood sugar imagine drinking the vg amount you vape ??? Not too likely to make any change. Have you got any plain vg take a couple ml and see if it makes any bs change for u. Hope you figure it out.

It actually would be interesting to me lol. Since vaping vg would go into your blood stream somewhat directly where as eating vg has a longer route.

I don't have diabetes but am going to order a tester just to be safe with what I vape.

 

[IOWN]

Sweet - I hate being a guinea pig also. I actually feel sorry for all the rats that will be tested on because of pv's!! Wouldn't it be cool if all the rats got super powers after being exposed to our vapor!!