VG Causing Blood Sugar Spikes

[SweetPuff]

BTW, this might help some of you too...for a couple weeks I've also been taking GTF chromium polynicotinate, seems to be helping as well. Saw it recommended for diabetics on Dr. Oz. It's also very inexpensive on vitacost.com, in case you'd like to check it out.

Best to everyone

 

[bigtimeweb]

This thread is so interesting. I'm not diabetic, but have enjoyed reading all of your thoughts and nutritional manipulation.

I was entering the thread for the second time tonight because I thought I might share that ethyl maltol could be your culprit, but now after reading the most recent posts I have to wonder, because of the vinegar, if this is a ph level issue. Adjusting your ph level is a very old method known to have profound affects on the body, and having the correct balance is an important aspect of maintaining your health. Cancer, for instance, has solid ties to an acidic system...most disease does.

Sometimes I swear I took the wrong road in a career cause all this stuff fascinates me. Thanks for everyone sharing their experiences.

 

[simply me]

I am diabetic and neither bothers me. Glucose stays the same. I really can't see how we get enough carbs to elevate the glucose levels. If you eat sugar your brain wants sugar. Maybe that why the metabolism goes haywire. Cut the sugar and your brain gets use to it. I am a very heavy vaper and I have no problems.

 

[SweetPuff]

Bigtime, the points you brought up about the ethyl maltol and ph levels are very interesting...i'm going to do some research. Thank you !

A lot of the recommendations have helped tons, both the braggs vinegar and lowering the nic levels (thanks pigelty), and eliminating ethyl maltol can only help. Sounds like DIY may just be the best route.

 

[IOWN]

I recently discovered that TPA Peach flavoring has a very strong ethyl maltol taste. I'm not diabetic yet, but I don't like the taste of EM and wouldn't use it especially after reading about the dude who went temporally blind from using waaaay too much by accident. btw I emailed Linda at TPA and she confirmed some flavors contain EM

I wonder if TPA or any flavor company would supply us with pure "flavor molecules" they'd be stronger... just a thought.

Here is the conversation with TPA:

hi ****
i tried to call you, because the answer to your question is a bit complicated,
but the number on your account is incorrect

so i'll give it a shot here.

concentrated flavors are blends made of aroma/flavor molecules.
very often they are the same molecules that exist in the fruit.
some of the molecules lend a sweet effect, such as ethyl maltol, maltol etc
there is no "sweetener" as such in the flavors, with the exception of where sucralose is
added and listed in the ingredients part of the description.
there is no "sweetener" in pear, green apple, etc.

below is a simple formula for a strawberry flavor - so in this particular case
the sweetness is coming from a few of the ingredients

Furaneol 20%
Ethyl Maltol
Aldehyde C-16 STRAWBERRY 10%
Fraistone
Methyl Cinnamate
Alcohol - 190 proof
i hope this helps, linda


On 3/17/2011 9:14 AM, **** wrote:
Hi Linda,

So what makes the flavors like pear and green apple so sweet then? Or are all your fruit flavors naturally sweet with something like fructose or glucose. I'm a little confused how flavors are made. I'm mainly interested for the reason of putting less sweetener of any kind in my lungs because lungs absorb somewhat directly into the blood stream and a stomach takes a more round about way. Everyone is different so we all have to find our sweet spot I guess.

Thanks again,
****

 

[bigtimeweb]

Sweet Puff

The only way you can conclusively point the finger at VG or anything else would be to isolate the individual ingredients, and that would probably only be via DIY. You'd have to cut out the braggs for a few days and vape an unflavored VG and monitor the effects on your blood sugar. Then split it up...one with unflavored nic and EM, one with unflavored nic and sucralose, one with unflavored nic and stevia etc.... Its a long and complicated process, but I am willing to assist you with some of those mixtures if you want to give it a go. I have everything but stevia. There may be stevia in my sisters house, but I'm not sure it would be the proper stevia used in mixing.

I think all of this information is very valuable to the community, diabetic or not.

IOWN - where did you read abut someone going temporarily blind?!!

 

[IOWN]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing/69153-ethyl-maltol-high-blood-sugars.html

I think this is the right link.... I only re-read the OP's first post. I'll check it out after work.

 

[SweetPuff]

Bigtime,

Prior to starting the vinegar and chromium, I did isolate the vg using a plain vg base, and yes, it did indeed increase my bs levels as did higher nic. Haven't done the same w/ ethyl maltol or stevia, sucralose, etc.

Thank you for offering to help out w/ the mixtures, that's very nice of you. I happen to have the stevia, sucralose, ethyl maltol (although never used it),and the vg base...will get some pg base. All that will be left is to isolate some of the flavorings too.

IOWN, I'm glad you brought up the complexities of the flavorings. Reading how many of the flavorings have EM, have to admit is a concern...I imagined DIY to be so straightforward, but it obviously not, with all of the ingredients in the flavorings! Will have to weed out any w/ ethyl maltol to stay on the safe side.

For now, I'm sticking w/ my organic and naturally flavoredl juice which has no ethyl maltol or sucralose, only bit of stevia and a pg/vg blend

Sweet Puff

The only way you can conclusively point the finger at VG or anything else would be to isolate the individual ingredients, and that would probably only be via DIY. You'd have to cut out the braggs for a few days and vape an unflavored VG and monitor the effects on your blood sugar. Then split it up...one with unflavored nic and EM, one with unflavored nic and sucralose, one with unflavored nic and stevia etc.... Its a long and complicated process, but I am willing to assist you with some of those mixtures if you want to give it a go. I have everything but stevia. There may be stevia in my sisters house, but I'm not sure it would be the proper stevia used in mixing.

I think all of this information is very valuable to the community, diabetic or not.

IOWN - where did you read abut someone going temporarily blind?!!

 

[aprioristic]

I think all these concerns about ethyl maltol are FAR overblown and unsubstantiated. It makes no sense at all if you understand metabolism. The hypothesis that artificial sweeteners effect metabolism isn't quite understood or proven and maltol/ethyl maltol don't even bind to sweet receptors.

This is my rough estimate on what your concerns should be if you have blood sugar problems:

your diet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>~>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sweeteners>>>>>ethyl maltol

 

[Tracy211]

There are a few venders who offer organic juice with no sweetners in them. You might want to look into one of those. Good Luck.

 

[BuddyGoodness]

I just read this entire thread. Lots of interesting stuff in here. I am on a low carb diet and reading this has made me wonder if Vaping knocks me out of ketosis at all, I shall have to experiment with it to find out. I usually do a 60pg/40vg blend. I sure hope it doesn't keep me out because that would mean having to quit vaping until I have lost my weight.