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Rather than just making this statement please also provide a link.

COuldnt find the seller i purchase from .He might have only had one but there are lots on ebay .

Heres one for 3.75 shipped
Lorann Gourmet Tart & Sour Fruit Flavor Enhancer 1 oz. | eBay

Heres another for 3.98 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lorann-Tart...184?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab0cdc4d0

Heres all of them on ebay with the highest price being 4.90 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...nd+sour&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

Also onestopDIY 1.50+ shipping
http://www.onestopdiyshop.com/products/LorAnn-Tart-&-Sour.html

All much lower than Amazon .
 
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Okay...I need some help.

I just received 6 new tobacco flavors from FA. I have mixed up 5ml batches of each to test each flavor.

To each 5ml mix I added:

tobacco Flavor 3 drops
Ethyl Maltol 3 drops
Apple Cider Vinegar 2 drops

This question goes out to people that have used the vinegar with their tobacco flavors. How much vinegar would you say you need in a 5ml tobacco mix?

Thanks,

Pete
 

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Does anyone know if Flavor Art's Bitter Wizard can do the same job and what is actually in it? I have it, I have white viengar that I use for cleaning windows and a multitude of other things but I want to know if the bitter wizard will work in a similar fashion.

FA bitter wizard is tobacco according to FA and doesnt contain vinegar . I guess tobacco itself reduces sweetness

I posted the email they sent me in this thread somewhere .
 
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Does anyone know if Flavor Art's Bitter Wizard can do the same job and what is actually in it? I have it, I have white viengar that I use for cleaning windows and a multitude of other things but I want to know if the bitter wizard will work in a similar fashion.
It's a natural tobacco additive, to kill the sweetness of the pg and vg.. I love it at 1% to give me more of a bite, with my FA tobacco blends..
 

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I really liked what acv did to my tobacco mixes. However I have now stopped using it. I had to constantly clean my battery connections. My best guess is the acv would not vaporize and had no place to go but drip onto my battery. I have since ran all the juice mixed with 4 drops of acv per 10mll out of the carto and now running juice without acv and having no problems with juice dripping into battery
 
I really liked what acv did to my tobacco mixes. However I have now stopped using it. I had to constantly clean my battery connections. My best guess is the acv would not vaporize and had no place to go but drip onto my battery. I have since ran all the juice mixed with 4 drops of acv per 10mll out of the carto and now running juice without acv and having no problems with juice dripping into battery
That's interesting. You'd think vinegar would vaporize even easier than the other ingredients in e-liquid. I know the boiling point is much lower than that of PG or VG. Maybe the acv has something in it that doesn't vaporize well. Distilled white vinegar has been working great for me, maybe you should give that a try?
 

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I really liked what acv did to my tobacco mixes. However I have now stopped using it. I had to constantly clean my battery connections. My best guess is the acv would not vaporize and had no place to go but drip onto my battery. I have since ran all the juice mixed with 4 drops of acv per 10mll out of the carto and now running juice without acv and having no problems with juice dripping into battery

I have thought about this and have an untested theory. Using the vinegar is having the same effect on the consistency of our juice as say, cutting VG with water would be so it's making your mix thinner than it was before using it. Maybe we should calculate the amount of vinegar/lemon juice into our recipes plugging the vinegar ratio into the water/PGA field into the calculator. Doing that would cause the calculator to formulate our recipe to the correct VG/PG ratio. That's the only thing I can come up with that would cause this problem. Using the amount of vinegar you're mixing is right at 1 ml of vinegar for a 30 ml of juice. Does that make sense? I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet so my brain isn't functioning quite well. :)
 

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I have thought about this and have an untested theory. Using the vinegar is having the same effect on the consistency of our juice as say, cutting VG with water would be so it's making your mix thinner than it was before using it. Maybe we should calculate the amount of vinegar/lemon juice into our recipes plugging the vinegar ratio into the water/PGA field into the calculator. Doing that would cause the calculator to formulate our recipe to the correct VG/PG ratio. That's the only thing I can come up with that would cause this problem. Using the amount of vinegar you're mixing is right at 1 ml of vinegar for a 30 ml of juice. Does that make sense? I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet so my brain isn't functioning quite well. :)

This makes a lot of sense! You do better than me before my 1st cup of coffee, lol:D
 

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That's interesting. You'd think vinegar would vaporize even easier than the other ingredients in e-liquid. I know the boiling point is much lower than that of PG or VG. Maybe the acv has something in it that doesn't vaporize well. Distilled white vinegar has been working great for me, maybe you should give that a try?

That miight be worth a try...
 

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I have thought about this and have an untested theory. Using the vinegar is having the same effect on the consistency of our juice as say, cutting VG with water would be so it's making your mix thinner than it was before using it. Maybe we should calculate the amount of vinegar/lemon juice into our recipes plugging the vinegar ratio into the water/PGA field into the calculator. Doing that would cause the calculator to formulate our recipe to the correct VG/PG ratio. That's the only thing I can come up with that would cause this problem. Using the amount of vinegar you're mixing is right at 1 ml of vinegar for a 30 ml of juice. Does that make sense? I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet so my brain isn't functioning quite well. :)

I have given it thought my mix with acv was too thin but I dismissed that as I have made 100 percent pg juice that was thinner than my 4 drops of avg per 10ml
 

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Okay...Received my malic acid and tartaric acid today!
Time to play!

Anybody have any suggestions on how to liquify these crystals/powders?

My thoughts are:

1/4 teaspoon of crystals/powder into 10ml of PG.

Ya know...The same as we dilute the Ethyl Maltol crystals.

What do you think?

Pete

Id guess 1/8th tsp in 10ml . around 5% . Not sure though .Does the crystals smell ?
 
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