Vinegar?

[pinellaspete]

Well, I spent part of the weekend mixing some e-juices using either malic acid or vinegar. Using either of these acids seems to reduce the steeping time considerably. I can't believe how good my tobacco flavors taste after adding a couple of drops of vinegar to them! I used malic acid in my fruit mixes, also with really great results.

Adding the acid also seems to be preserving my e-juices. The tobacco flavors I mixed 6 days ago are almost the same color as when I first mixed them. They are all almost clear in color. Before using vinegar, my tobacco flavors would have definitely been changing color by now.

It is just amazing how much a couple drops of these acids improves my mixes. If you haven't tried this yet you really need to give it a try the next time you create a mix! It really does work!

Pete

 

[stashbldr]

Well, I spent part of the weekend mixing some e-juices using either malic acid or vinegar. Using either of these acids seems to reduce the steeping time considerably. I can't believe how good my tobacco flavors taste after adding a couple of drops of vinegar to them! I used malic acid in my fruit mixes, also with really great results.

Adding the acid also seems to be preserving my e-juices. The tobacco flavors I mixed 6 days ago are almost the same color as when I first mixed them. They are all almost clear in color. Before using vinegar, my tobacco flavors would have definitely been changing color by now.

It is just amazing how much a couple drops of these acids improves my mixes. If you haven't tried this yet you really need to give it a try the next time you create a mix! It really does work!

Pete

I tried it yesterday for the first time, I put 1 drop of vinegar into 5ml of my normal everyday DIY juice and the results were great! I was surprised that 1 drop could make such a difference, but it did.

 

[GoodDog]

There's some interesting info here. Food Additives

 

[pinellaspete]

There's some interesting info here. Food Additives

Great job GoodDog!
That article explains a lot about what why we should use acids.

Thanks,

Pete

 

[Iffy]

OK, I've held off on my Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) trial results to ensure my original observance was legit in my view. Let me first proffer that thus far I'm only DIYing single flavs. Now that I have a larger 'collection', I'll be expanding the mad scientist experiments.

I have a DIY LA Peach @ 12% that is a daily vape. I added one drop of ACV per 5ml. The peach flav still comes through, though that lil' bit o' bite is gone. I foresee this as being a plus for questionable flavs. In the case of my peach mix, I like the bit o' bite, ergo no more ACV for this recipe. But, I can foresee the benefits and will try ACV in some of my other recipes.

With that said, I must thank those that have done 'da walk' and passed on their experiences! This is just one reason why I so cherish this family...

 

[pinellaspete]

OK, I've held off on my Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) trial results to ensure my original observance was legit in my view. Let me first proffer that thus far I'm only DIYing single flavs. Now that I have a larger 'collection', I'll be expanding the mad scientist experiments.

I have a DIY LA Peach @ 12% that is a daily vape. I added one drop of ACV per 5ml. The peach flav still comes through, though that lil' bit o' bite is gone. I foresee this as being a plus for questionable flavs. In the case of my peach mix, I like the bit o' bite, ergo no more ACV for this recipe. But, I can foresee the benefits and will try ACV in some of my other recipes.

With that said, I must thank those that have done 'da walk' and passed on their experiences! This is just one reason why I so cherish this family...

Iffy,

Try the lemon juice concentrate or malic acid with your fruit flavors. They work better with fruits. They will give your fruit flavors a little zing that they may have been missing.

Save the ACV for your tobacco flavors. ACV works best with tobacco flavors.

Good luck!

Pete

 

[Iffy]

Try the lemon juice concentrate or malic acid with your fruit flavors.

Pete,

Thanx, I'll definitely try the LJC.

BTW, I'm in west Bradenton, the other side of the Skyway. If ya get in da 'hood, give me a PM!

 

[Str8V8ping]

For fruits you need lemon juice or even better tart and sour . VInegar would give the opposite of what you want in fruits .

Still doing testing on the caramel color . DIdnt get to test a lot yet .I did try it in one juice and it made a bit of a difference at first for the better .I also just tried it again after steeping and Holy crap did it improve that juice . It was a sugar cookie juice i made and after steeping with the caramel color it tastes incredible and much different from how it was when i first tried it . It really brought out the flavor and sweetness 10 fold .I havent noticed much of a problem with the atty im using it in . I still need to do more testing though . Ill update when i get time to really do a bigger scale test .

 

[VaVaunt]

I'm still reading this thread all the way through, but have been reading where some of you are interested in the caramel aspect. Having made my own candy for years, I thought a bit more explanation of caramel coloring might help some:
Science of Candy: Caramelization & Caramels | Exploratorium

Near bottom of text is another interesting link.

Thanks Pete, for creating this thread.

 

[VaVaunt]

What I read from Flavourart, is that you don't want to alter the ph, just reduce the acid..

HI Jimi D
(nice to meet you)
Let me say from keeping saltwater fish that I can safely tell you PH is directly connected to acid versus alkaline. To reduce PH, you use acid. To make it higher, you could use sodium bicarbonate, (alkaline) or Baking soda (salts-all) Therefore,' not altering PH ' by 'reducing acid'
is impossible, as that alters it. Am I making sense?
Hope this helps

 

[Jimi D.]

Aromi dolci :: AAA Magic mask - Flavourart. La sartoria degli aromi I'll leave it to the flavor professionals.. Thank You..

 

[Corncob]

Glad I found this thread and it's going on my toolbar. I'm soaking all this up.

I was able to get a 50% MA solution in PG to completely dissolve after 2 weeks. I like high % VG juice and so this helped me cut another PG corner.

Anyone know if ACV behaves in coffee flavors like it does in tobacco?

 

[Lyndagayle]

Okay, I've got something to add here...finally! I use a lot of TA, but even with the heavy usage (10 ml of TA lasts a LONG time), I found that it tends to weaken and loose some of it's "umph" after a few weeks . I was getting low and mixed up a new batch and thought, if vinegar is making such a big difference in my recipes, it should do really well preserving and adding more body to my TA mixture. I added 3 drops of ACV to my 10 ml TA diluted with EM and PG and it made a noticeable difference! It's hard to describe but it smoothed it out and gave it more depth. Only time will tell if it helps to hold it at that freshly mixed level of richness and I will report back after a few weeks and let you know.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Glad I found this thread and it's going on my toolbar. I'm soaking all this up.

I was able to get a 50% MA solution in PG to completely dissolve after 2 weeks. I like high % VG juice and so this helped me cut another PG corner.

Anyone know if ACV behaves in coffee flavors like it does in tobacco?

The one cappucino flavor I tried to concoct was nauseating. I normally will keep a bad juice around, continue to play with it and just use it for the nic if its decent. But this was bad, I had to throw it out

Next time I'm going to reduce the coffee flavor ten fold

 

[pinellaspete]

Glad I found this thread and it's going on my toolbar. I'm soaking all this up.

I was able to get a 50% MA solution in PG to completely dissolve after 2 weeks. I like high % VG juice and so this helped me cut another PG corner.

Anyone know if ACV behaves in coffee flavors like it does in tobacco?

Okay...I'm still experimenting with these acids. The following describes the effects that the various acids have on flavor perception. The acid you choose to use should compliment the flavor that you are using.

This is copied from another source, it is not my description:

Acid Flavor Effects
Acetic Acid Volatile, pungent – used to boost other volatile
flavor notes. Also extends the impact of some
flavor notes.
Citric Acid Clean, bright, refreshing sourness that
dissipates quickly.
Fumaric Acid Clean, persistent sourness with dryness.
Lactic Acid Smooth, persistent sourness with a mild dairy
aroma.
Malic Acid Mellow, smooth, persistent sourness
reminiscent of fruit. Enhances and extends
flavors, esp. fruit flavors. Blends together
discordant flavor notes to achieve a more
rounded, natural flavor profile.
Phosphoric Acid,
Sodium Acid Sulfate
Very little impact on flavor, in part because their
use levels are so low.
Tartaric Acid Brusque sourness that dissipates quickly; with
dryness

After reading this I determined to use vinegar(Acetic Acid) with tobacco flavors. I have had good results so far.

I use concentrated lemon juice(citric acid) or malic acid with all my other flavors. I have also had good results with this.

Good luck!

Pete

 

[Lyndagayle]

Great find Pete! I add +1 to your conclusion. I have yet to try malic acid but I use lemon juice in all my fruit flavors and vinegar in tobaccos and dark flavors i.e. chocolates, vanillas etc. It's working!

 

[Nyte]

I've been following this thread from the beginning and let me first say THANK YOU everyone who has participated and posted their experiments and findings. Y'all rock

So, my holy grail of all day juices is a pink bubblegum vape. However, I'm a little fuzzy as to what y'all would suggest I use. I have in my "mixin' kit" Tart and Sour, lemon juice (the cute little lemon kind), regular distilled vinegar, and Apple Cider vinegar. From what I've gathered ACV for tobaccos, and Malic/T&S for fruits but what about bubblegum? It's not really a fruit... Thoughts, suggestions or ideas are much appreciated!

 

[Lyndagayle]

I've been following this thread from the beginning and let me first say THANK YOU everyone who has participated and posted their experiments and findings. Y'all rock

So, my holy grail of all day juices is a pink bubblegum vape. However, I'm a little fuzzy as to what y'all would suggest I use. I have in my "mixin' kit" Tart and Sour, lemon juice (the cute little lemon kind), regular distilled vinegar, and Apple Cider vinegar. From what I've gathered ACV for tobaccos, and Malic/T&S for fruits but what about bubblegum? It's not really a fruit... Thoughts, suggestions or ideas are much appreciated!

I would consider it a fruit because it is somewhat of a mixture of fruit flavors.

 

[pinellaspete]

You can also use different combinations of acids. I haven't tried it yet though.

But a word of caution...

It is my understanding that when you use two different acids together, you get more sour taste than if you used just one acid. It is a trick that is used in the professional food flavoring industry so they don't need to add as much acid. It saves them money.

Its kind of like this:

1 drop lemon juice plus 1 drop lemon juice = 2 parts sour
1 drop malic acid plus 1 drop malic acid = 2 parts sour
1 drop lemon juice plus 1 drop malic acid = 3 parts sour

They (The food industry)don't know why this works, but they do know that it does indeed work. There is actually a complex formula that describes this, but it is a little over my head. In general (It depends on the starting pH) you gain 50% more sour when you combine acids.

Good luck!

Pete

 

[AzPlumber]

You can also use different combinations of acids. I haven't tried it yet though.

But a word of caution...

It is my understanding that when you use two different acids together, you get more sour taste than if you used just one acid. It is a trick that is used in the professional food flavoring industry so they don't need to add as much acid. It saves them money.

Its kind of like this:

1 drop lemon juice plus 1 drop lemon juice = 2 parts sour
1 drop malic acid plus 1 drop malic acid = 2 parts sour
1 drop lemon juice plus 1 drop malic acid = 3 parts sour

They (The food industry)don't know why this works, but they do know that it does indeed work. There is actually a complex formula that describes this, but it is a little over my head. In general (It depends on the starting pH) you gain 50% more sour when you combine acids.

Good luck!

Pete

Pete, very interesting stuff. Do you have any idea if this works with all combonations or just specific ones?