VIR official

[Cearamm]

Okay imeo has stated countless times he has been developing VIR
For several years. I saw him mentio VIR in a post from 2011 or 2012

Well before even the DNA20 was released. Do you honesty not think his product will be at least as good as Evolv? Jon may be a genius at evolv but Imeo is the true maker of all these things. I mean without Imeo our mod ad atty market would be several years behind what we have today.

Where did the kayfun originate if not from Imeo? And now every one buys kayfuns but my Ithaka still vapes way better than my wifes kayfun lite plus. kayfun may be easier for the layperson to vape but for serious vapers we need serious devices, as Imeo likes to say. Ie, ithaka, penny, tilemahos...etc

He was also the first to recommend titanium wires and now dicodes and several others are doing the same? Its like no one credits imeo for his ingenuity. He made all these things and people have stolen his ideas and claimed them as their own.

It IS looking like imeo forced the developers hands. I mean...do u really think evolv would fly to Pbusardos house and do a quick and dirty first look if not for some pressure? Thats not how they usually release a new product...

Cant wait for VIR

 

[dr g]

Temperature control devices with DNA40 chip will be available from manufacturers like Hana Modz from early next week. I won't be purchasing one because I don't want to risk shorting a battery from putting a .1 ohm nickel-coiled atomiser on a mech mod.

Just so you know, that won't happen because of the properties of nickel wire. Nickel only starts at low resistance, it quickly rises with heat and will be at a safe resistance in a fraction of a second. That's how the technology works.

There is no concern putting nickel builds on mechs. You seem vested in talking down the DNA40 but you are off-base.

Oh I can also tell you that the timeline of Evolv's information release is not driven by the VIR video. In fact the release is behind the original planned schedule (which is normal).

 

[kde01]

Just so you know, that won't happen because of the properties of nickel wire. Nickel only starts at low resistance, it quickly rises with heat and will be at a safe resistance in a fraction of a second. That's how the technology works.

There is no concern putting nickel builds on mechs. You seem vested in talking down the DNA40 but you are off-base.

Oh I can also tell you that the timeline of Evolv's information release is not driven by the VIR video. In fact the release is behind the original planned schedule (which is normal).

Talking it down? I'm only mentioning one thing I find as an issue, the nickel wire. No need to turn me into an enemy of the DNA40 when I'm just mentioning I prefer the VIR. I'll most likely end up getting both, since Innokin will be coming out with a cheap DNA40.

I may be incorrect about the nickel wire, and thanks for correcting me there, but I'm not sure what you mean about the 'technology.' Are you calling the actual nickel wire itself the technology?

DNA40 may be behind schedule, but it seems like VIR has been in the works for longer. As the poster before you said, the VIR was in the works since before the DNA20.

Again, I don't have anything against Evolv so don't keep trying to make me some enemy of them. I have and love using my DNA30 devices. I have had more DNA boxes than GG mods. I just think the VIR is a cut above from what I've seen so far.

 

[Joshua T Clark]

My biggest question in regards to titanium wire and the potential for flash over.

 

[monkkx]

Just so you know, that won't happen because of the properties of nickel wire. Nickel only starts at low resistance, it quickly rises with heat and will be at a safe resistance in a fraction of a second. That's how the technology works.

There is no concern putting nickel builds on mechs. You seem vested in talking down the DNA40 but you are off-base.

Oh I can also tell you that the timeline of Evolv's information release is not driven by the VIR video. In fact the release is behind the original planned schedule (which is normal).

no evolv/vir war intended but:
- when used on a mech mod, we have no idea what will be the final resistance after heat up ... the ohm meter will only be able to give the cold wire resistance
- when heat up on a mechanical, therefore with no temp control whatsoever, is the nickel still considered as safe to vape?

I still see nickel only limitation as a major issue since it sounds to me that I won't be able to use such tank on anything but a DNA40.

 

[monkkx]

My biggest question in regards to titanium wire and the potential for flash over.

the alloy we're talking about here contains 92% Ti, then other stuff ... many of us tried to push it to its limits, no flash at all could be observed

 

[dr g]

no evolv/vir war intended but:
- when used on a mech mod, we have no idea what will be the final resistance after heat up ... the ohm meter will only be able to give the cold wire resistance
- when heat up on a mechanical, therefore with no temp control whatsoever, is the nickel still considered as safe to vape?

I still see nickel only limitation as a major issue since it sounds to me that I won't be able to use such tank on anything but a DNA40.

1. irrelevant point. but you can check out the live reading on a DNA40 to get an idea. on a .18 coil for example, you are at .5 in less than half a second.
2. yes, it is safe, much safer than kanthal and nichrome. nickel is very stable and has a very high decomposition temperature. it is very resistant to off-gassing. these are known qualities of it and it gets specced for use in other applications because of those qualities. evolv specced it for safety reasons as well.

the idea that nickel coils can't be used on other mods is frankly a laughable reach. and it simply does not matter. there's no reason to go back from this technology. you'll see.

 

[monkkx]

1. irrelevant point. but you can check out the live reading on a DNA40 to get an idea. on a .18 coil for example, you are at .5 in less than half a second.
2. yes, it is safe, much safer than kanthal and nichrome. nickel is very stable and has a very high decomposition temperature. it is very resistant to off-gassing. these are known qualities of it and it gets specced for use in other applications because of those qualities. evolv specced it for safety reasons as well.

the idea that nickel coils can't be used on other mods is frankly a laughable reach. and it simply does not matter. there's no reason to go back from this technology. you'll see.

thanks for the info
you need to put yourself in user shoes! what you consider being irrelevant or impossible is stuff I do everyday. I've mechanicals as well as regulated devices. Due to the limitations of batteries as well as limitations of existing regulated chips, I always try to have my coils at around 1 to 1.2 ohm. That way, I can use my atomizer on an 18350 mec mod, a DNA30, a kicked tube mod etc ... moreover, there's enough spires to offer a good evaporation surface...
Might be laughable, but that's the real life of a vaper having several gears he likes

 

[pbusardo]

Let's be reasonable. You think kanger and innokin and even cloners will not get the trend? I bet you in 6 months you will see kanger heads with nickel or titanium or SS.

Less than that. ;-)

 

[monkkx]

Kanthal: 2008-2015 ...
RIP

 

[leobaker]

I'm glad to like it you boss!!
;-)

As mike said monk. Virtual Imeo Reality. It was a tittle that a GG friend gave a long time ago and I liked it a lot! lol

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[dr g]

thanks for the info
you need to put yourself in user shoes! what you consider being irrelevant or impossible is stuff I do everyday. I've mechanicals as well as regulated devices. Due to the limitations of batteries as well as limitations of existing regulated chips, I always try to have my coils at around 1 to 1.2 ohm. That way, I can use my atomizer on an 18350 mec mod, a DNA30, a kicked tube mod etc ... moreover, there's enough spires to offer a good evaporation surface...
Might be laughable, but that's the real life of a vaper having several gears he likes

If the difference between temperature control, simple power control, and unregulated were small you might have a point. But it's monumental. I can't bring myself to use anything else ... everything else feels primitive.

 

[pbusardo]

By the way, does anyone else feel it's odd that Imeo puts out his video on October 7th, and two days later, PBusardo is posting a video of an interview with Brandon from Evolv talking about the DNA40 with similar features as VIR!?! Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!

I honestly don't believe so. Not at all really.

Personally, I'm hearing about the VIR for the first time today. God I wished I had more time to watch the forums for tech like this!!

I'm actually excited to hear about this. The more tech the better. The safer the tech the better.

I show bias or favoritism to no one. If Imeo would like me to post this video or any other information on the upcoming VIR tech on TasteYourJuice, all he needs to do is ask. If he wants to come out of the door and talk about his product, he just needs a plane ticket.

Vape Happy Everyone!

 

[monkkx]

If the difference between temperature control, simple power control, and unregulated were small you might have a point. But it's monumental. I can't bring myself to use anything else ... everything else feels primitive.

I believe the natural selection will figure out one type of alloy that will be safe to vape, will fit all boards, and will be usable even by silly users habits
Anyway, that's too much excitement to fight on who has the bigger one isn't it? I want my pocketable proteus as much as I want a DNA40 box mod (since imeo still says NO to boxes). I've enough atomizers to dedicate some of them to specific technologies (because honnestly, I don't want a .1 ohm on a mech, even if it reaches .5 ohms, that's just dangerous). So it's all good

 

[leobaker]

Nice words Phil.

Take a drip and relax with a lot of experience colleagues sharing points of view and friendship.

;-)



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[pbusardo]

Nice words Phil.

Take a drip and relax with a lot of experience colleagues sharing points of view and friendship.

;-)



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LOL! I would LOVE TO! I'll just blame you when people start .....ing that I didn't put out 25 videos this week.

 

[leobaker]

Do you dont put 25 vids this week??? One more time, nooo... L0L ;-)

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[kde01]

LOL! I would LOVE TO! I'll just blame you when people start .....ing that I didn't put out 25 videos this week.

I won't say a thing if one of them is about the VIR

In reality, I would like your thoughts on DNA40 vs VIR. From what I've seen from both I'm liking the VIR, but a head-to-head comparison from you would be great. Would also help Imeo get the product out there more, I think. The Esterigon & Tilemahos are already superb devices but throw in the VIR as well and you have a serious winner.

 

[dr g]

I believe the natural selection will figure out one type of alloy that will be safe to vape, will fit all boards, and will be usable even by silly users habits
Anyway, that's too much excitement to fight on who has the bigger one isn't it? I want my pocketable proteus as much as I want a DNA40 box mod (since imeo still says NO to boxes). I've enough atomizers to dedicate some of them to specific technologies (because honnestly, I don't want a .1 ohm on a mech, even if it reaches .5 ohms, that's just dangerous). So it's all good

It reaches higher than .5 ohms in the rest of the first second. Stop reaching. It's a non issue. This came up in beta testing and was put to rest.

I won't say a thing if one of them is about the VIR

In reality, I would like your thoughts on DNA40 vs VIR. From what I've seen from both I'm liking the VIR, but a head-to-head comparison from you would be great. Would also help Imeo get the product out there more, I think. The Esterigon & Tilemahos are already superb devices but throw in the VIR as well and you have a serious winner.

Where is this product that you have seen and evaluated, which is apparently in production and beta tested?

 

[RandomFellow]

I honestly don't believe so. Not at all really.

Personally, I'm hearing about the VIR for the first time today. God I wished I had more time to watch the forums for tech like this!!

I'm actually excited to hear about this. The more tech the better. The safer the tech the better.

I show bias or favoritism to no one. If Imeo would like me to post this video or any other information on the upcoming VIR tech on TasteYourJuice, all he needs to do is ask. If he wants to come out of the door and talk about his product, he just needs a plane ticket.

Vape Happy Everyone!

Sorry, Phil. I didn't mean to imply that you had any part in the odd timing. Frankly, since Brandon is a salesman, I automatically assumed that it was his bright idea.