Gents, I'm afraid this is the tendency in the market. Several temperature controlled boards are about to be released. They all relies on the properties of the alloy. Kanthal is no go on all these boards, it's not just a moder wish, but a technical constraint.
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And I think it's also the reason why you don't want the coil loops to touch each other. You want a perfect solenoid. Now we need to think solenoid rather than just resistance!
Interestingly the new DNA40 will use nickel wires, which have virtually no resistance. It will also work with Kanthal but then the temperature bases functions will not work.
As I understand in VIR's case you just set the temperature and vape. With DNA40 you set max (!) temeprature but also can set the wattage. Sounds a bit more complex but gives more space to play.
I am curious when the first china clones will come with an app that can control your thermal data from your mobile.
As I understand in VIR's case you just set the temperature and vape. With DNA40 you set max (!) temeprature but also can set the wattage. Sounds a bit more complex but gives more space to play.
I am curious when the first china clones will come with an app that can control your thermal data from your mobile.
When you change your tv channel you like to see the new Chanel immediately or do you like to retuning the Chanel every time?
I think VIR will work simple to have the best with any atty!!!
I think VIR will work simple to have the best with any atty!!!
The DNA40 seems to share some principles of the VIR, but the Nickel-only approach rules it out for me. I presume that it won't work with NR-R-NR atties, so it wont be any use on my beloved Iatties (or my Penelope V1).
The VIR's use of titanium wires should allow us to use all kinds of Rebuildables. A couple of years ago, i tried a couple of CE4 atties that claimed to use titanium wire. I couldn't detect much of a difference to normal CE4s, except that they lasted a lot longer than other CE4s.
So, no DNA40 for me, but i will be waiting impatiently for VIR.
The VIR's use of titanium wires should allow us to use all kinds of Rebuildables. A couple of years ago, i tried a couple of CE4 atties that claimed to use titanium wire. I couldn't detect much of a difference to normal CE4s, except that they lasted a lot longer than other CE4s.
So, no DNA40 for me, but i will be waiting impatiently for VIR.
Interestingly the new DNA40 will use nickel wires, which have virtually no resistance. It will also work with Kanthal but then the temperature bases functions will not work.
As I understand in VIR's case you just set the temperature and vape. With DNA40 you set max (!) temeprature but also can set the wattage. Sounds a bit more complex but gives more space to play.
I am curious when the first china clones will come with an app that can control your thermal data from your mobile.
Unfortunately blue the DNA40 actually seems to give you less options. Compare Imeo's video to the DNA40 specs that have been released. DNA40 only works with Ni200 wire, which means you cannot use NR wire in your builds - so no Sophia, Diver, Penelope or Ithaka w/o update, etc. Limits your atomizer and wire options.
I will probably purchase one of each device but at the moment the VIR seems like the winner. With many saying they don't think that VIR will be popular because it limits your wire use I think once they will read the DNA40 specs they will change their mind. The DNA40 is even more limited in what you can use.
Boy, oh boy! So much debate about a choice. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. When VV devices came out, no one forced us to stop using mechanicals. When VW devices came out, no one stopped us from using VV. If I want VW, I can use an Evolv device. If I want VV, I can use a ProVari. And, if I want to use VIR, I can use a GG. Everyone has their preferences. It's not the job of McDonalds to make you tacos just because you prefer tacos. If you don't want a hamburger, then drive down the street. By the way, Proteus is supposed to have an optional bottom button to convert it to a mechanical, so if that's your choice, go for it. As for me, I'm all in, and my next ESG order will have some Titanium Wire. Now I have to decide: cellulose or cotton?
Exactly. It's not about who won't like this, it's about who WILL. And I know that plenty of people will. Switching up your wire material and learning how to use a new metal alloy is easy and doesn't take long. Especially worth it if your health really is being impacted. If you'd rather use kanthal, stick with VW/VV/mechs. Everyone wins
My vote is for rayon - ever since I bought it that, along with silica and ekowool, is all I use! When you buy cellulose make sure it's rayon and not cotton.
By the way, does anyone else feel it's odd that Imeo puts out his video on October 7th, and two days later, PBusardo is posting a video of an interview with Brandon from Evolv talking about the DNA40 with similar features as VIR!?! Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Yes a bit strange. I think Imeo forced Evolv's hand.
And I think Imeo's got Evolv beat here. By a good margin. From a functionality and features standpoint.
I don't know how much I like the fact that the DNA40 only works with nickel wire. That means I can't be using the same atomiser on my mechs without rebuilding. It also most likely means you won't be able to use atties that require NR wire, limiting you even further.
So this means that you have to go out and buy yourself not only nickel wire, but a second one of your favorite atties to only use on that device. On top of the device itself.
No thanks. I would rather rebuild with titanium and be able to use it on all my devices.
Go kick some a** Imeo.
for temperature control feature:
- GG VIR will use Titanium and SS only
- Evolv DNA40 will use nickel only
- Dicodes chip will use Titanium and SS only
in all cases, kanthal is out of the picture when it comes to temperature control ... now to those swearing they won't use anything but kanthal for whatever reason, the conclusion is that they won't use any of the current temp. control devices
This new generation of boards is trully great, but there's now a real gate between electronic and mechanical devices, since your 0.1 ohm nickel coil might not work safely with a mec. mod, so one should be REALLY carefull not to use a tank made for electronic mod, on a mecanical mod !!
In that respect, Ti wire from ESG has a clear benefit: they'll work on both VIR and mecanical mods! So now seems like Ti is more versatile than kanthal
- GG VIR will use Titanium and SS only
- Evolv DNA40 will use nickel only
- Dicodes chip will use Titanium and SS only
in all cases, kanthal is out of the picture when it comes to temperature control ... now to those swearing they won't use anything but kanthal for whatever reason, the conclusion is that they won't use any of the current temp. control devices
This new generation of boards is trully great, but there's now a real gate between electronic and mechanical devices, since your 0.1 ohm nickel coil might not work safely with a mec. mod, so one should be REALLY carefull not to use a tank made for electronic mod, on a mecanical mod !!
In that respect, Ti wire from ESG has a clear benefit: they'll work on both VIR and mecanical mods! So now seems like Ti is more versatile than kanthal
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not to mention that a day after Imeo's video, dicodes leaked the information they're working on similar feature
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Temperature control devices with DNA40 chip will be available from manufacturers like Hana Modz from early next week. I won't be purchasing one because I don't want to risk shorting a battery from putting a .1 ohm nickel-coiled atomiser on a mech mod.
Sounds like a great idea in theory, but in practice the titanium and stainless steel wire is more versatile.
The announcement from Evolv makes me even more impressed with Imeo's VIR. If a company like Evolv can't get temperature control working on resistance wires that can be used one mechs as well then good on Imeo for making sure the VIR has that capability!
Sounds like a great idea in theory, but in practice the titanium and stainless steel wire is more versatile.
The announcement from Evolv makes me even more impressed with Imeo's VIR. If a company like Evolv can't get temperature control working on resistance wires that can be used one mechs as well then good on Imeo for making sure the VIR has that capability!
Imeo - with all the discussion I'm seeing about the DNA40 today I have to ask: are you planning on working with anyone else to sell mods with VIR chips in them? As in, will they only be in GG devices or will you license the product to third parties that will sell it as well?
After the let down that is the DNA40 chip I think you'll have a wider market of people wiling to pick up the VIR once they see the light.
Not trying to say the DNA40 is a let down as it looks good, but that it just allows the use of nickel wire and is more limited than VIR.
After the let down that is the DNA40 chip I think you'll have a wider market of people wiling to pick up the VIR once they see the light.
Not trying to say the DNA40 is a let down as it looks good, but that it just allows the use of nickel wire and is more limited than VIR.
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