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[Sad Society]

I would like to take a step back for a moment and talk about VIR itself.

There are many ecig users that don't really know how temperature control works. I think many of you in this thread who have watched imeo's videos and read his post and have been here for the long haul waiting for VIR and Proteus have a pretty good idea and know how VIR works.

I am no expert when it comes to this topic...I don't own any temperature control ecig devices like the DNA40...and I don't even think that is true temperature control.

I don't mean to talk bad about other ecig devices but. How can you change watts and volts up and down while still maintaining the same temperature? The answer is "you can't." The end result is just temperature limiting.

I believe a true TC device fires every time at the temperature it is set to...unless the battery is dying and not able perform what is required. In that case, changing to a charged battery should be no big deal and then you can still use the same temperature you were using before.

With TC...watts, volts and ohms do not matter.* And for the most part...the size of the wire does not matter.*

**Those last two sentences above do have specifications though for VIR.

VIR uses coils that need to be within a certain ohm range. I believe the range is 0.05-3.00 ohms. But no matter what the ohms are, VIR will adjust and you will get the same vaping temperature you set it at.

For the wire, the size needs to be between 30-60mm size Titanium grade 1 wire.

It is my opinion that maybe a thicker wire (within the wire specifications) might be able to provide a better vape using VIR because the wire will have more surface area to vaporize the liquid....as long as the thicker wire can be built within the ohm range requirements.

There may be a downside to using thicker wire though. And this is where balance comes into play. I think using a thicker wire will make VIR acquire more battery power in order to keep the temperature. And a combination of a thick wire and a high set temperature will make the battery not last as long. A thinner wire heats up faster than a thick wire and the battery will last longer with a thinner wire.

Did you see that? I said 'heats up' in the last paragraph. With the info shown about VIR, there are no heat up times. VIR isn't a mech mod. Yes, it does heat up but it should not be (that) noticeable. I think VIR fires instantly at the temperature it is set to as long as it has enough liquid to do so. And if there is no liquid, then it will not vaporize at all.

We are in the information age of "Now". Nearly everyone has a smartphone and/or computer. A screen that gives ppl the information that they want now. They want to know what is happening all the time. It could be info through Facebook, ECF, news, stocks, and even the weather. And now there are ecigs with screens. Screens that tell them the watts, ohms, and battery life...and I even had a mod that told me the time...that mod broke by the way.

I agree with imeo and his decision to not use a screen. It is info that is not needed. And for the simple fact that it can make a device more vulnerable to breaking (don't drop your IPhone). If you want to know what your ohms are, use an ohm reader.

That's all for now. Feel free to criticize or correct anything I said wrong imeo.....Aal?

 

[imeothanasis]

I think it depends on the person Imeo. I am all about only having to carry 1 thing meaning no extra juice or batteries to be able to last at least 12 hours. If you could make a device that size that somehow had enough juice and battery life I would probably never "need" anything else. I am probably backwards of many people but for me Proteus will be an around the house device where I can be 5 ft away from a charger/juice bottle. A big GG with VIR and a larger tank will be my out and about 90% of the time used mod though.

Again this is just my .02 though and the great thing about vaping is with the variety of stuff available there is something that will suit everyone's need.

I think exactly the opposite fright

Big devices have to stay at home, and small - thin ones have to go outside.

 

[fright88]

Imagining you have this now, what would be the next thing you'd wish for? To last 24 H. After that you would want something that lasts one week and so on. Realistically thinking, I assume that we will always have to service our cigs on the go, at least in our life time.

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Probably but that is a good thing. Trying to get something more out of vaping is what has made the industry become as good as it has been. As to service on the go I already have tanks that will last me a day + without refilling. I also have mods that will last me 2+ days on a single charge. I would just prefer a GG that would do this.

 

[imeothanasis]

On the DNA40, the screen is invaluable to learning how to use the device, it guides you as to how to balance the power versus the temperature so that when you find a vape that you like, you can easily replicate it going forward. It also let's you know when there is a problem with the resistance of the coil, eg a loose contact develops over time.

Obviously I don't know whether VIR needs the same learning curve and feedback to the user but I do think that some people might find it useful to help develop their usage of a new technology. Plus I love box mods as well as tubes - so I'd be in favour if Imeo decides that he wants to go in that direction

(I also think that he'd make a lot more money selling the chip to other modders if it has the screen option)

there are a lot of modders that have already asked me about VIR because they dont like screens Bud
As for dna, maybe it needs a screen. VIR on the other hand doesnt need it because it has no watts to balance vs temp and it has no learning curve because its menu is very simple

As for the problems you may have with resistance, contacts, battery etc, VIR will inform you directly with its led without the need to look at a screen to see what is happening.

Screen not only is useless with VIR but it also blocks your view.

Learning lights is an easy thing. I believe that in 2 days all people will be familiar with colours. In fact the only colours they have to know are 4. Green=no liquid, white=no battery, red=short cirquit, blue =lock

 

[imeothanasis]

I would like to take a step back for a moment and talk about VIR itself.

There are many ecig users that don't really know how temperature control works. I think many of you in this thread who have watched imeo's videos and read his post and have been here for the long haul waiting for VIR and Proteus have a pretty good idea and know how VIR works.

I am no expert when it comes to this topic...I don't own any temperature control ecig devices like the DNA40...and I don't even think that is true temperature control.

I don't mean to talk bad about other ecig devices but. How can you change watts and volts up and down while still maintaining the same temperature? The answer is "you can't." The end result is just temperature limiting.

I believe a true TC device fires every time at the temperature it is set to...unless the battery is dying and not able perform what is required. In that case, changing to a charged battery should be no big deal and then you can still use the same temperature you were using before.

With TC...watts, volts and ohms do not matter.* And for the most part...the size of the wire does not matter.*

**Those last two sentences above do have specifications though for VIR.

VIR uses coils that need to be within a certain ohm range. I believe the range is 0.05-3.00 ohms. But no matter what the ohms are, VIR will adjust and you will get the same vaping temperature you set it at.

For the wire, the size needs to be between 30-60mm size Titanium grade 1 wire.

It is my opinion that maybe a thicker wire (within the wire specifications) might be able to provide a better vape using VIR because the wire will have more surface area to vaporize the liquid....as long as the thicker wire can be built within the ohm range requirements.

There may be a downside to using thicker wire though. And this is where balance comes into play. I think using a thicker wire will make VIR acquire more battery power in order to keep the temperature. And a combination of a thick wire and a high set temperature will make the battery not last as long. A thinner wire heats up faster than a thick wire and the battery will last longer with a thinner wire.

Did you see that? I said 'heats up' in the last paragraph. With the info shown about VIR, there are no heat up times. VIR isn't a mech mod. Yes, it does heat up but it should not be (that) noticeable. I think VIR fires instantly at the temperature it is set to as long as it has enough liquid to do so. And if there is no liquid, then it will not vaporize at all.

We are in the information age of "Now". Nearly everyone has a smartphone and/or computer. A screen that gives ppl the information that they want now. They want to know what is happening all the time. It could be info through Facebook, ECF, news, stocks, and even the weather. And now there are ecigs with screens. Screens that tell them the watts, ohms, and battery life...and I even had a mod that told me the time...that mod broke by the way.

I agree with imeo and his decision to not use a screen. It is info that is not needed. And for the simple fact that it can make a device more vulnerable to breaking (don't drop your IPhone). If you want to know what your ohms are, use an ohm reader.

That's all for now. Feel free to criticize or correct anything I said wrong imeo.....Aal?

as I said before, the only reason that VIR V2 may have a screen is to make some money Sad from people that like screens. So I totally agree with you.

Now imagine a person that use a box mod with a big screen and a person that vapes Proteus. Big difference!

 

[Budared]

As said before, the screen is needed on the DNA40, I don't know whether it would be useful for the VIR

I do know that there is a difference in the vape received on a DNA40 depending on the wattage that you put through it at a consistent temperature - and that is not a criticism, it's good to have that variability.

I'm looking forward to trying a VIR, it does sound like a different concept from the DNA

 

[lee72]

Lots of opinions on both sides regarding a box mod. I would like to see a GG box. Maybe it would be a once only run but I'm sure Imeo could come up with something fantastic. With the size of VIR I am imagining a small compact mod capable of taking any GG tank. Instant seller.

Box mods don't have to be ugly huge devices, I'm sure there is room for a GG box mod that outshines all the rest.

 

[monkkx]

P Busardo went in France and made an interesting and spot on remark regarding the cultural differences applied to ecig: europeans love small pocketable devices, whereas US are more into large boxes with plenty of battery power
I don't think a dual 26650 box would have any success in europe, and in the meantime, 16500 mod might look like a kiddy box to american market ....
Same applies to cars I guess
Botomline is that VIR will eventually be available to modders, so we can have box, tubes, of all forms and sizes ... that is great !!! I just wish to get a winged one with tank parralel to the battery
After that I can consider quitting my nicotine addiction for good

 

[Aal_]

Guys guys guys ..... just to make my point clear.

I did not day box mods are better than small ecigs. I said box mods can be smaller than big tubes.

For example I own bottom feeders and GG devices (more than 13 GG devices). For example a bottom feeder with 6ml bottle and a small dripper and an 18650 is stealthier than a 23mm tube mod with its length and a tank on top. I'm not saying saying a box mod is smaller than proteus with a mini penelope. I am saying the new box mods can be made elegant and smaller than a tube mod. Yes it has a width height and length but in your hand it us smaller than a tube. Imeo can do a box mod easily and make it very elegant I'm sure of that especially with the size of VIR. Resembling a cigarette is not my priority, sometimes it is better for a mod not to resemble a cigarette. My priority is size, not length height width, but overall size and how it fits in hand.

Of course when thinking size you think also battery amp rating (not capacity because we can switch batteries on the go), and liquid capacity.

 

[imeothanasis]

As said before, the screen is needed on the DNA40, I don't know whether it would be useful for the VIR

I do know that there is a difference in the vape received on a DNA40 depending on the wattage that you put through it at a consistent temperature - and that is not a criticism, it's good to have that variability.

I'm looking forward to trying a VIR, it does sound like a different concept from the DNA

VIR and DNA are based on same prioncipal Bud. But they work different.

The variability you mention is not variability in reality, because when you set watts you vape watts and you may never reach the temperature you set.

A temp device has to be a temp device. If you dont reach the temp then its a temp limit device. I hope you see that and agree with it.

DNA can regulate temp if I am not mistaken. But you dont vape at a temp, you vape UNTIL you reach the temp, that is maybe never.

DNA maybe regulates well the temp when it reaches it. But its problem is not that. Its the fact that NR wires have so small resistances that even the slightest loss of power via metals (mods, connectors-atomizers, bolts etc) can even double the resistance and DNA will be totally out of control. So DNA seems a good device but it choose the wrong wires

 

[AdamAnd]

I have an idea for a very nice GG mod not a box but it should hold two 18650 bats have brass contacts and could be SS or brass How about two tubes side by side cut and connected together would be machine as one piece of course bats load from the bottom 510 connection and just enough space for VIR on top button placement top side. I think a picture would be much better but two bats in parallel would last almost a day for me and would fit in the palm of the hand.
Just a thought

 

[Sad Society]

Something similar exists.

 

[Beco]

This is a copy of SvoeMesto sticker.

I find box mods more ergonomical then this

 

[Corona Doble]

+ 1
following the GG 'lego' tradition, an additionnal VIRed part coupling previous JustGG/esterigon tubes and parts to an ithaka/Penelope/tilemahos atomizer in parrallel would be a nicer option than a 'box' + i find this kind of '2 tubes' construction to be far much handy than a square side 'thing'.

 

[Corona Doble]

This is a copy of SvoeMesto sticker.

I find box mods more ergonomical then this

we will find 1 opinion and 2 hands in each GG user

 

[monkkx]

this VIR thread is turning into a Box request/brainstorm
I think there's an obviously big interest for non-just-tubes devices embedding VIR (that is still not released by the way). Part of the answer comes from moders who will decide to get OEM VIRs and do whatever they want with it, an other big question is the GG device if there's such a device.
Imeo, once you aknowledge the big interest and have time to look at it, you might want to run a pools survey threads for us to propose/discuss/fight on how the GG device should be ... I expect a very pationate thread

 

[AdamAnd]

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Something similar exists.

Yes your right there is only so much that can be done but my thoughts where a little different than this but yes close very similar but I will have to make a picture or somthing still it may be a really bad idea or not just a thought

 

[Sad Society]

I get what your saying Adam. In the picture this was a regular tube mod and they made a piece so the tubes can be side by side. I think it looks ugly. I'm sure this idea could be renovated to look much better.

 

[soulseek]

I get what your saying Adam. In the picture this was a regular tube mod and they made a piece so the tubes can be side by side. I think it looks ugly. I'm sure this idea could be renovated to look much better.

Oh good cause I thought I was the only one here thinking this things looks ridiculous, at first I thought it was a joke.

 

[Sale Gosse]

It's not more ridiculous than a box, it's a box without casing