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I've been fascinated with stag handle knives for 40 plus years. My Dad got me into it:) Would it be possible to do some type of finished stag inlay into each side of a mod without significantly increasing the thickness of the overall mod? Kinda like knife handles for the mod:thumb:
That's possible too, but would need to be a little thicker overall. Lovin these ideas!
 

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Some of the burl veneer sheets I have seen are outstanding. Only problem is if you did a full wrap would be the seam.

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A thinly shaped wood body could have strips of Antler laminated all the way around for a full antler mod...wild mod for sure...
It would be ;) I was thinking more along the lines of inlay accent pieces.....as opposed to a full stag mod.....butttt:lol:
 

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Arizona Ironwood is a legit source. If they say it is something, it is.

Incidentally, they dye/stabilize their wood using pressure instead of vacuum. The result is far more stable as the wood is truly saturated through and through and not just "added on". Vaughan will know what I mean, he will have seen stabilized material on the surface and the center has little to none.

My #2 piece came from there.
 

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Arizona Ironwood is a legit source. If they say it is something, it is.

Incidentally, they dye/stabilize their wood using pressure instead of vacuum. The result is far more stable as the wood is truly saturated through and through and not just "added on". Vaughan will know what I mean, he will have seen stabilized material on the surface and the center has little to none.

My #2 piece came from there.

I'll ask them if they can put my mammoth tusk in resin for Vaughan to carve.
 
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Another question, can you make some drip tips from Mammoth Ivory?...when you make me the next mod.
Mammoth Ivory - MIL100
Would love to, may not be easy to bore large holes in fossils though...lol. Supply me the material and I will try, but I cannot guarantee success.
He's in Arizona, when I call him, I'm going to ask if I can look at the "tusk chunks", I'm not sure if they are fossilized or just ivory tusk.
Looks legit, but would have to be a clean piece with no fractures to allow working without it falling apart. Or having it filled like the Hybrid acrylic blocks?
Indeed, I found other sources for mammoth tusk, but it probably needs to be stabilized with resin, which I'll have done.

I've worked quite a bit with Mammoth, elephant, hippo, boar ivories over the years, most horns and antlers as well (I think I still have some warthog ivory, maybe some hippo). I used ivories in some of the calls I made, other projects. Mammoth will be fossilized material to varying degrees, they have been extinct for something like 5000 years after being around for something like 5 million. It is usually dug up, sometimes in places where it is frozen in the permafrost. Most mammoth is fractured, at least to some extent in the outer bark layer, but can be throughout with very little "solid" material. And it can be many colors because it can "spalt" same as wood can from whatever chemicals, etc seeps into the voids/cells. It takes super sharp tools to work it, all ivories do, but can make for some pretty classy stuff done right with or without scrimshaw added. I never tried to stabilize mammoth myself, just bought higher grade that had large enough fracture free material for my projects. Very expensive stuff. I know nothing about any AZ supplier, or that they are selling it legally. Lots of sellers in the past did not follow the regulations. I'd suggest you find out what the current laws are regarding the possession and purchase of it before diving in too deep. All ivories are heavily regulated now days. Yes some ivory will be "grandfathered" so could be legal to have no matter what current laws are. But you'd have to be able to prove it is. Boone Trading used to keep the current laws up to date on their web site. HTH
 
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I've worked quite a bit with Mammoth, elephant, hippo, boar ivories over the years, most horns and antlers as well (I think I still have some warthog ivory, maybe some hippo). I used ivories in some of the calls I made, other projects. Mammoth will be fossilized material to varying degrees, they have been extinct for something like 5000 years after being around for something like 5 million. It is usually dug up, sometimes in places where it is frozen in the permafrost. Most mammoth is fractured, at least to some extent in the outer bark layer, but can be throughout with very little "solid" material. And it can be many colors because it can "spalt" same as wood can from whatever chemicals, etc seeps into the voids/cells. It takes super sharp tools to work it, all ivories do, but can make for some pretty classy stuff done right with or without scrimshaw added. I never tried to stabilize mammoth myself, just bought higher grade that had large enough fracture free material for my projects. Very expensive stuff. I know nothing about any AZ supplier, or that they are selling it legally. Lots of sellers in the past did not follow the regulations. I'd suggest you find out what the current laws are regarding the possession and purchase of it before diving in too deep. All ivories are heavily regulated now days. Yes some ivory will be "grandfathered" so could be legal to have no matter what current laws are. But you'd have to be able to prove it is. Boone Trading used to keep the current laws up to date on their web site. HTH
Thanks Spydro, Good info here. A wealth of knowledge as always. I did figure that laminating the block of ivory into a sacrificial wood block would be the best way to reinforce it for boring, and all sanding from there so the bored body is not at risk at any stage. will be a lovely mod for sure. Preferably stabilized, if not CA will penetrate all cracks, and it should be able to be worked ok.
Good work Inspects, I think this is a grand plan, as long as the source is legal. Can't see them selling it on ebay for long otherwise though... fines would not be worth the risk for them.
 

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I'll ask them if they can put my mammoth tusk in resin for Vaughan to carve.
You do actually realize that this hair brained scheme to attempt a squonker in semi fossilized ancient wooly mammoth tooth that has not seen the light of day since we were running around with clubs wearing sabre-tooth tiger skin undies is potentially breaking new ground in the vape world right? Been giggling quietly about it all night...lol
 

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Thanks Spydro, Good info here. A wealth of knowledge as always. I did figure that laminating the block of ivory into a sacrificial wood block would be the best way to reinforce it for boring, and all sanding from there so the bored body is not at risk at any stage. will be a lovely mod for sure. Preferably stabilized, if not CA will penetrate all cracks, and it should be able to be worked ok.
Good work Inspects, I think this is a grand plan, as long as the source is legal. Can't see them selling it on ebay for long otherwise though... fines would not be worth the risk for them.

I would think most Mammoth could be stabilized under pressure where it is porous. Ivory has cells same as wood does. As for boring... ivory itself is not hard to cut/work with very sharp tools. If a tool grabs because it's not sharp it can chip, chunk or break ivory. I commonly turned it on lathes, bored it with lathes and drill motors, cut it with fine tooth hand/power saws, etc, and scrimshawed it. But Mammoth may be ivory in name only. When fossilized it could be called more like rock than ivory, same as say dinosaur bone (I have some of that too).

As for breaking USF&WLE / APHIS regulations... I have personal knowledge that goes both ways from another lifelong passion especially that involved worldwide regulated/protected species (Lepidoptera). For decades I imported and exported so had to know the regs to do so legally,,, and to use in fights with US Customs agents who didn't have a clue themselves. Anyway, some people who ignored the laws were hung out to dry big time, some got off with a slap on the hand. And it mattered not how severe or accidental the regs were broken who got squashed like a bug and who got off. IOW, the US Gov is about as wishy-washy as it gets sometimes. They protect species from extinction that don't need to be protected at all yet let others go extinct every day without lifting a finger to save them. But Ivory seems to stay on their radar, so beware.

I'm not going to weed through it all, there is endless info out there. For those in the USA here's a starting place....
States Banning the Sale of Fossil Ivory and proposed Legislation
U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service - International Affairs
Ivory Identification Guide - U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Forensics Laboratory
 
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When I was looking for my block, I checked into bone, ivory and horn. I have some untreated camel bone scales on a couple of knives that have aged to a nice yellowish tinge. I wanted to try to replicate that in a mod.
I looked at Mammoth tusk, also Mammoth teeth, neither seemed like they would lend themselves to the machining of a mod. Maybe if stabilized.... Mammoth tooth shown below.
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If you want to look at a bone mod, ebay has some giraffe bones that look like they would be big enough and solid enough to make a mod from.

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No mention of import issue on NZ customs website. African elephant ivory is prohibited commercially, with no apparent restriction on extinct species. (combatting the ivory poaching) Will make queries here on import and export with MAF and customs to give a idea if it is feasible at this end.
 
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