FDA Deeming updates VTA issues FDA regulations calendar
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Sadly, we have two well respected long time Vape shops in the Western Maryland area that will likely take a big hit.........if not quit. Both have built their reputations on Quality House brews......
You know those mixes all the New Vapers won't touch because they are not made in some unknown facility and shipped at leisure all over the US.
Hey, these are our neighbors and local small businessmen(women), not oversized understaffed companies with dropout stocker's and shippers to keep cost down.
Companies that - like Baskin Robins can give you what you want rather than, would you prefer - Chocolate of Vanilla.
Hard to make a living when 99% of your Sales is instantly cut off.
I have several friends that depend heavily on them for e-liquid purchases.
One friend, and this pisses me to no end.......I got converted to vaping due to Extremely high Blood pressure. within 3 months time he had it under control. Now who knows what will happen to him.<Not DIY or very Device literate>
Thanks FDA - NOT!
You know those mixes all the New Vapers won't touch because they are not made in some unknown facility and shipped at leisure all over the US.
Hey, these are our neighbors and local small businessmen(women), not oversized understaffed companies with dropout stocker's and shippers to keep cost down.
Companies that - like Baskin Robins can give you what you want rather than, would you prefer - Chocolate of Vanilla.
Hard to make a living when 99% of your Sales is instantly cut off.
I have several friends that depend heavily on them for e-liquid purchases.
One friend, and this pisses me to no end.......I got converted to vaping due to Extremely high Blood pressure. within 3 months time he had it under control. Now who knows what will happen to him.<Not DIY or very Device literate>
Thanks FDA - NOT!
One significant time - Prohibition. When there was such a demand for the product, that no amount of lies would stop the black market from thriving. In the process, they enriched neighborhood thugs who only ran the numbers market in their cities, to be able to create Las Vegas, and the organized crime racket we all have come to know and love
It's great to see you again AJ.....
I have visions of Vape speak easy's, password is Smooth Nick. If you order Ice Tea 6 that is code for 6 Nic Tea flavor e juiceyou order Lemonade 12, you get lemonade flavor 12 Nic juice. LOL Or maybe it will a bakery with a "back room", password Betty Crocker
Consider moving to Mexico. You can make a political point on one level if you are so inclined. And you will receive a significant discount on your black market nicotine by eliminating several middle men in the USA directed supply chain.
I thought that vaping was banned in Mexico?
They will seize all your vaping stuff at the border or airport it seems.
Not if you know how Mexico Cu$tom$ works.
Besides, there are so many "goods & services" we import from Mexico - none of which is exactly legal here or there. I'm sure the nicotine market will be an equally gray area.
IMO there is no doubt it will happen if the FDA shuts down or significantly chokes the supply chain as it exists today. In the FDA's efforts to protect our "health & safety" they could produce the exact opposite effects from the results of god-knows-what coming from a black market. Prohibition 2.0 - the slightly less Constitutionalized version.
Well I just spent quite a bit of time on the FDA website reading over everything about ecigs. Everything changes for us Aug 8, if you haven't prepped yet, I advise everyone to do so.
Oh and they have all the rules in order for seizing imports, so getting things from China will not be easy if vape related.
Oh and they have all the rules in order for seizing imports, so getting things from China will not be easy if vape related.
Not quite everything, just certain things kick in. Some of them are a "duh" like no sales to minors - which is how it's been anyway. A concise time line of important dates can be got here: FDA Deeming updates - VTA issues FDA regulations calendar
I was under the impression that imports were somewhat open ended at this point. They have a date in place at which point overseas companies may have to register as... well they use the word "may" have to register and what the point of that is wasn't clear to me.
Read this and see if it does not sound Vaguely Familiar:
Musings of a Reality Deviant: Tobacco Legislation and Happiness Pie
Musings of a Reality Deviant: Tobacco Legislation and Happiness Pie
No imports of new products after 8-8. Only products that were imported and sold in the USA prior to 8-8 may be imported after that date.
Beginning at the end of 2016 and for the first 2 months of 2017 regs kick in that may give importers trouble as well.
Beginning at the end of 2016 and for the first 2 months of 2017 regs kick in that may give importers trouble as well.
I cross the border from San Diego to Tijuana at least once a month for doctor and dentist appointments. My neurologist at SIMNSA fully supports vaping, and my dentist gave me my first cigalike after an extraction three years ago, on the day I quit smoking ...
I don't take any chances at Customs, my little tootle-puffer Ovale Elips is in my shirt pocket, and spare tanks are in a cigarette case. Not so much worried about a legal challenge, just avoiding drama. Customs, US or Mexican, is not a place where you want to draw attention to yourself ...
Its true that vaping gear and supplies are not sold openly in Tijuana, and it does seem strange to not to see a wall full of cigalikes at every convenience store. But there is a thriving trade in basic PVs at the swap meets, even some local juices (which I haven't tried). There have been stories of vape shops raided in Mexico City, but I suspect they just didn't pay their "operating fees" ...
I am told that vaping is very popular with the young folks at the nightclubs on Calle Sexta in Tijuana, so they must be getting gear and juices somewhere ...
About a year ago I was in a big Tijuana medical supply store, not a tourist pharmacia, but a real pharmaceutical warehouse with a walk-in storefront. Just for fun I asked for propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and nicotine. The guy came back in about 30 seconds with several bottles of different sizes, all labeled with the store brand, no questions asked ...
I kick myself that I did not look into this further at the time, or even ask the prices. I was buying a special dental rinse, in pain after a dental procedure, and in a hurry to get home. But I wasn't at all surprised that even the nicotine was readily available. In light of recent events, I hope this is still so ...
**sigh**
Another case of of rotten legislation put forth by the clueless.
And how many of those businesses will interpret that as the photocopy being mandatory by law?
Ugh
How does the FDA know what is a new product after 8-8-16 and what has been on market already? I am pretty sure they are clueless if they don't even know vaping has helped millions kick the cig habit. I do not trust them one bit to do anything right concerning vaping.
They will ask for proof. Very detailed proof. Invoices and purchase orders containing detailed descriptions and part numbers and possibly waybills and shipping date confirmation.
They aren't stupid. It will be extremely difficult to make even a software revision change on a product (which potentially makes it "new") without being in violation and getting caught.
How can anyone prove this now? I mean who has a list of every product ever produced on vaping? Since it was not required before how is all this info getting to FDA?
If the NSA can create a system that gobbles up all our phone calls, it's not that much of a stretch to envision a system that scrapes the web for devices that are being sold today.
Cotton can be and is used as wicking its related. Everything in part or in whole of a functioning
e-cigarette is a tobacco product. Everything that is labeled and sold as not for use in a tobacco
product is a tobacco product if the FDA finds out people are buying the product to use for vaping.
Intended use as used by the FDA includes actual use. There are no go around's. The FDA has
stated their main concern now is bringing manufacturers into compliance and have no plans at this time
to concern themselves with these issues or the blackmarket as they do not believe these segments
will not be large enough for them to waste their time on at this point in time. However this does
not mean these things are compliant with the regulations. They simply are not. At any point in
time if the FDA determines these things are interfering with their attempt to bring the market
into compliance (go around's and the blackmarket are gaining to much share of the market)
they will use there power to bring these segments into compliance or eliminate them. Either
of these options can be done swiftly and very easily. This won't be great grandpa's prohibition.
Also note a cigarette is a complete tobacco product and as such,the filters,paper,and tobacco
are regulated by the FDA.
Regards
Mike
What I think tho is the burden of proof is up to the manufacturer, not FDA. I went looking for devices sold in 2007 for example, only thing I could find reference to available was the e-cigar by NJOY but could find no actual date of manufacture and not even a picture.
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