FDA Deeming updates VTA issues FDA regulations calendar

[bnrkwest]

His name was Joseph Robinson in 1926 I think, here is the link- NJOY Archives |

here is more info: Patent US1775947 - Electric vaporizer

 

[bnrkwest]

Here's a pic- Robinson electric Vaporizer So we have had in USA an electric vaporizer since 1927!

 

[Hulamoon]

If that company was the one i became aware of they were still processing orders on line the next day
after they were supposedly done at he end of the day the day before.
The name escapes me right now. Considering there has only been this one to my knowledge
any hasty talk of CC companies or processors bailing out is premature.
Regards
Mike

I understand Verifone ceased some services at the end of April, (or some banks dropped them or something along those lines) but they allowed a grace period before it finally pulled the plug, so it may have had something to do with that. Meanwhile, another service provider was probably found by the company in question.

 

[bnrkwest]

I think what makes all the difference is the term vaporizer, since it is exactly what we call what do, vape! Its electric has heat, etc. So if this was already patented as a vaporizer doesn't that help our cause??

 

[Robino1]

I think what makes all the difference is the term vaporizer, since it is exactly what we call what do, vape! Its electric has heat, etc. So if this was already patented as a vaporizer doesn't that help our cause??

I wish.

No it doesn't. The FDA has stated that it has to have been on the market in the US before the cutoff date in 2007. Those are just patents. Not sold to the public.

 

[crxess]

I'm expecting to hear from someing in Government before to long...........and doubt they will be nice.
I have been kind of overly fed up to the point of getting a bit loud on the FDA DEEMING page on FB..........as have many others . Anyway, I have no issue calling a Lie a Lie and challenging anyone to unwavering PROVE otherwise.

I did thank the FDA for the opportunity we all had to express ourselves over Deeming and Regulation...............before summarily dismissing our input and using everything we offered as a means to eliminate Small Business in favor of BT/BP and other financially motivated corporations.

 

[bnrkwest]

I wish.

No it doesn't. The FDA has stated that it has to have been on the market in the US before the cutoff date in 2007. Those are just patents. Not sold to the public.

Rats!

 

[bnrkwest]

I'm expecting to hear from someing in Government before to long...........and doubt they will be nice.
I have been kind of overly fed up to the point of getting a bit loud on the FDA DEEMING page on FB..........as have many others . Anyway, I have no issue calling a Lie a Lie and challenging anyone to unwavering PROVE otherwise.

I did thank the FDA for the opportunity we all had to express ourselves over Deeming and Regulation...............before summarily dismissing our input and using everything we offered as a means to eliminate Small Business in favor of BT/BP and other financially motivated corporations.

Keep us posted !

 

[vkiwi]

Not sure if this has been discussed here, but how do the new rules affect private imports for personal use? In my case mods purchased abroad and imported by post. FDA has no jurisdiction over me, but customers are concerned over whether they will be allowed to continue to import my product or any product from overseas sources.
Any discussion on this would be appreciated!

 

[Katya]

I wish.

No it doesn't. The FDA has stated that it has to have been on the market in the US before the cutoff date in 2007. Those are just patents. Not sold to the public.

The problem is that there was practically NOTHING on the market before that date. Catch 22. The FDA won't even tell us what the predicate product is, other than "they have found it."

How is any of this even legal?

 

[crxess]

Not sure if this has been discussed here, but how do the new rules affect private imports for personal use? In my case mods purchased abroad and imported by post. FDA has no jurisdiction over me, but customers are concerned over whether they will be allowed to continue to import my product or any product from overseas sources.
Any discussion on this would be appreciated!

Short version:
FDA cannot touch you
FDA can Ban you from importing

 

[vkiwi]

Short version:
FDA cannot touch you
FDA can Ban you from importing

Are they banning US citizens from online purchases? if so on what timeframe and how will they enforce this? I'm sure I can put together a 510 led bulb for my custom flashlights...

 

[supertrunker]

i hardly think they are going to be able to police the ports any better than they currently are. i don't see the Chinese going ' oh FDA ruling, we'd better get onside with it!'

We can't police our borders well enough to keep people out, so how the hell they think they are going to block all this other stuff is amusing.

T

 

[Rickajho]

To Deem:

1. transitive verb
2. : to come to think or judge : consider <deemed it wise to go slow>
   
   
3. intransitive verb
4. : to have an opinion : believe

IOW, to 'consider' or to 'believe' is opposite of a definition by fact or reality. It's definition by whim. And in this case, it's the whim of the FDA.

Did You Know?
In the Middle Ages, "demen" was a fateful word. Closely related to "doom," this precursor of deem meant "to act as a judge" or "to sentence, condemn, or decree." These meanings passed to "deem" itself, but we haven't used "deem" to mean "legally condemn" since the early 17th century. Though "deem" is still frequently used in law contexts, today it means "judge" only in a broader sense of "to decide (something specified) regarding," as in "the act was deemed unlawful" or "the defendant is deemed to have agreed to the contract." Outside of the law, "deem" usually means simply "to consider." Some usage commentators consider "deem" pretentious, but its use is well established in both literary and journalistic contexts. We deem it perfectly acceptable.

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So while we haven't used the word "deem" to mean 'legally condemn' since the early 17th century, that history has changed on May 10, 2016.

Why it's enough to give you a hēafodece. I tell ya.

 

[vkiwi]

i hardly think they are going to be able to police the ports any better than they currently are. i don't see the Chinese going ' oh FDA ruling, we'd better get onside with it!'

We can't police our borders well enough to keep people out, so how the hell they think they are going to block all this other stuff is amusing.

T

Too true T. The thing in my mind is that vendors will have to take a stance of no responsibility and no comeback once a product has left their hands, and a custy will have to risk the purchase price. This ruling will make online purchases the only way to obtain new products, so customs will be busy with this...

 

[skoony]

Can some one PM me the link to the FDA deeming page on facebook?
I have went there and searched for it and can find everything but that
page.
Thanks
Mike

 

[supertrunker]

Too true T. The thing in my mind is that vendors will have to take a stance of no responsibility and no comeback once a product has left their hands, and a custy will have to risk the purchase price. This ruling will make online purchases the only way to obtain new products, so customs will be busy with this...

i think that's true, but you see, in my mind i differentiate here between say - a wooden product containing no nicotine, but that CAN be used for that and nicotine itself! The FDA is saying they are both now tobacco products and it's this idiocy that grips me.

Enough 100mg nic to last HRH for years does not occupy a lot of volume and if i buy 2 and lose one - i can take the hit.

Personally, i no longer even use nicotine so i'm not sure why i have to obey any rules at all and i won't!

T

 

[vkiwi]

i think that's true, but you see, in my mind i differentiate here between say - a wooden product containing no nicotine, but that CAN be used for that and nicotine itself! The FDA is saying they are both now tobacco products and it's this idiocy that grips me.

Enough 100mg nic to last HRH for years does not occupy a lot of volume and if i buy 2 and lose one - i can take the hit.

Personally, i no longer even use nicotine so i'm not sure why i have to obey any rules at all and i won't!

T

My opinion too T... everybody should load the system up so much that it cannot be enforced, and they must re-evaluate their idiocracy!

 

[supertrunker]

In my tiny mind, i just pictured the guy that harvests tobacco in North Carolina and Virginia say. Presumably he uses a combine harvester like this:


That thing has had more contact with tobacco than my gear! You know where i'm going with this right?

T

 

[crxess]

Can some one PM me the link to the FDA deeming page on facebook?
I have went there and searched for it and can find everything but that
page.
Thanks
Mike

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