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[Merlin]

Patent Laws That Apply to Design Patent Applications

35 U.S.C. 102 Conditions for patentability; novelty and loss of right to patent

A person shall be entitled to a patent unless -

(a) the invention was known or used by others in this country, or patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country, before the invention thereof by the applicant for patent, or


(b) the invention was patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country or in public use or on sale in this country, more than one year prior to the date of the application for patent in the United States,

or


(c) he has abandoned the invention,

 

[sekhmetsfire]

Thats just sad, I was considering a Buzz for a birthday gift to a friend (she really likes bright colors and I have heard good things about them.) Not now, how selfish and just plain rude to all. Anyone have a new idea for a brightly colored dependable 3.7/6v mod? Doesn't need to be VV.

 

[leannebug]

I don't know.. I really don't see the problem with this patent stuff. If he did in fact, develop the current technology, shouldn't he be allowed to patent it? How many patents do our great- inventors (from the early days) hold? Benjamin Franklin? Alexander Graham Bell? The guy that invented the toilet? Isn't that what encourages the inventors to continue? Should they all work for free? Better yet: do you?

Just so you know- I've never purchased anything from Notcigs and of all my mods, I think my GGSlim is practically perfect! Besides, if I ever get around to buying a VV, the Buzz was not at the top of my list.

Just my 2c

Sent from my pod

 

[FreakyStylie]

I know this is a hot topic, and I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, but I just want to say that BT would apply for numerous patents when the time comes for them to start getting into the game. I would hate to see them own the patents.

 

[Bebbo]

I know this is a hot topic, and I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, but I just want to say that BT would apply for numerous patents when the time comes for them to start getting into the game. I would hate to see them own the patents.

BT could easily (relatively for them) buy patents from owners. They will own them when they'll want

 

[eyebrook]

You guys didnt invent the toilet lol

 

[dspin]

He says any vendors using VV after patent goes through will have to get a license from him. Leave the little vendors alone I say, Nuck did it before he did anyway. Says he's doing it for his employees too. Gag me w/a spoon on that one.

 

[alldayvape]

despin, the patent will never go through. That's the whole point. Stop spreading fear. You're worst than the media.

 

[ken729]

Fear monger!

 

[dspin]

despin, the patent will never go through. That's the whole point. Stop spreading fear. You're worst than the media.

How does anyone know for sure if it will go through or not. I daresay I am not spreading fear, just posting the Patent application.

 

[alldayvape]

You did more than that

Listen at some level I understand all your concerns. But I find it hard to believe it'll ever get approved. The reasons have been posted all over ECF already.

Notcigs in theory made a great business decision, but in reality it's wasted time and $$$. In theory this is business 101. In the real world, given the many VV's out there on the market, the patent will never be approved.

You have to understand that if not them, if would've been some other company applying for the patent. Worst case scenario a Pharma, Tobacco, or Chinese owned company located here in the States with 'unlimited' funds.

It's the world we live in today. Greed unfortunately gets the best of some people.

 

[UKtarget]

He is going to have trouble making this stick as atomization of liquids using variable voltage has been used for years by a wide range of companies and scientific bodies.
He did not invent the technology to control the voltage.
Whether he can patent its application to E-cigs is i would say negligible as the E-cig has been around for years.
I maybe wrong but i would think that as the technology is used for everything from spray drying to Nebulizers he has to prove that his application is unique

 

[imeothanasis]

The first one that tried to patent something in e-cigs was me. I did it because I saw that I was copied all the time. Simple copies or direct copies were on a daily scedule here on ecf. It was my right to do that. Every person that makes something unique has to patent it to my opinion. Its like when you lock your house to prevent thiefs inside. And I think all of us lock our houses. But.......

If something is already in the market you cant patent it even if the man that asks for the patent is the same man that made the invention. E.g., I cant patent anything I made until now. If you ask me why I didnt patent anything before I send it to market is because I find it useless to fight anyone that will copy me. Its a common thing. So if you see that your house gets robed everyday you dont care much anymore.

I have a patent on my hands for GGGrant. Its number is: 20090100203. I never used it against nhaler that made a direct copy of Grant even if patent was worldwide. The reason is that if you spend your time chasing what you own then you will never own anything at the end.

Thats my opinion about patents between simple people like we are. Things are different between companies when we talk about large amounts on money. But those companies do the things in the right way and exactly when they have to do them.

Buzz had to patent his invention sooner. It would be a very nice and serious move then. Now its nothing.

 

[RippleInStillWater]

I did get a VV mod and I'm liking dialing the voltage up and down -- I can't wait for your version, Imeo, once I get that, then I'll sell this!!!

 

[imeothanasis]

Mine will be an add on on the GGTS so you have to sell the one you bought for sure buddy!

 

[buGG]

You did more than that

Listen at some level I understand all your concerns. But I find it hard to believe it'll ever get approved. The reasons have been posted all over ECF already.

Notcigs in theory made a great business decision, but in reality it's wasted time and $$$. In theory this is business 101. In the real world, given the many VV's out there on the market, the patent will never be approved.

You have to understand that if not them, if would've been some other company applying for the patent. Worst case scenario a Pharma, Tobacco, or Chinese owned company located here in the States with 'unlimited' funds.

It's the world we live in today. Greed unfortunately gets the best of some people.

agreed. validity of reasons or motive aside, i think most patent attorney's will gladly take you through the process if you're able to afford it, conduct a prior art search and have you believe your patent holds weight...and they'll render your patent useless and inadequate for the next person if and when they're able to afford their services. BT will do just this, if the ideas put forth in the patent are deemed worthy enough, and i believe others will as well. if it's cost effective to pay royalties, fine, if not, then press forward.

The reason is that if you spend your time chasing what you own then you will never own anything at the end.

if it comes down to it, whoever has the biggest resources wins in the end; i'm glad that you continue to invent and innovate imeo, take the high road, and keep the new stuff coming at a rate that makes our heads spin!

 

[RippleInStillWater]

Like the Chinese would respect the patent, too!!!!

 

[imeothanasis]

lol, thanks BuGG, thats the road I choose. To speak the truth there is no other road in reality, I just saw it soon and I spend my money and my time on making what we all want and a little more than that I hope

Ripple, thats more than true lol

 

[sekhmetsfire]

I think the worst part of this is they are now alienating themselves from the whole of the vaping community, we really can't afford to let that happen, because if we do and it happens more and more we are no longer a whole. The government and big tobacco would probably like nothing more. We are much easier to pick off as little group, but as a whole we can be a total pain in the rear! Not sure if that makes total sense, but that's how I see it.

 

[leannebug]

You guys didnt invent the toilet lol

"You guys" who?

I think you misunderstood my sentence. I was not referencing Americans, I meant ALL great inventors (from ANY country).

The first one that tried to patent something in e-cigs was me. I did it because I saw that I was copied all the time. Simple copies or direct copies were on a daily scedule here on ecf. It was my right to do that. Every person that makes something unique has to patent it to my opinion.

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I have a patent on my hands for GGGrant. Its number is: 20090100203. I never used it against nhaler that made a direct copy of Grant even if patent was worldwide. The reason is that if you spend your time chasing what you own then you will never own anything at the end.

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I think the worst part of this is they are now alienating themselves from the whole of the vaping community, we really can't afford to let that happen, because if we do and it happens more and more we are no longer a whole. The government and big tobacco would probably like nothing more. We are much easier to pick off as little group, but as a whole we can be a total pain in the rear! Not sure if that makes total sense, but that's how I see it.

This is my concern as well, but I believe that we are the ones causing the riff. I think Notcigs has every right to try and patent it (if they were the first) Now whether or not they CAN, or if it's too late... well that's not for me to decide. The patent court/people, whomever.. they shall decide.

I think it's a shame that people would turn their backs and say they will never purchase from Notcigs, because of this patent business. If they have the right, they should be allowed. It's good business. Now what they do with it, and how they handle it.. that's entirely different, and may or may not have repurcussions on their future business.. But for right now, personally, I think it's a good business decision.

JMHO