Ways around the bans.

[cdw311]

Hello all
The vaping manufacturers need to get together and start leaving extra room in the flavorless juices, then sell the flavor concentrates. You can add this to your bottle and voila, you can still get your favorite juices. There is no law prohibiting that, as you can't vape the concentrates by themselves. It would work, at least until they banned the concentrates. The UK does this with nicotine now. Just a thought.

 

[stols001]

I'm not saying your idea is BAD necessarily, and trust me I have had several BAD ideas w/r/t "saving vaping" and well, I'm just saying.

If you ever come up with something truly novel and likely to save vaping (I'm not sure this is the "one") like maybe run it by CASA or something. Quietly. Get an evaluation of the idea's viability and keep it sort of chill for now.

I'm hoping and assuming that's what the smart folks (I am not one of them) are doing, although there are certainly the preppers and the "I will carry signs and protests lot."

I'm not saying which one I am but like, I don't like the thought of having to choose, either. I sort of wish everyone would leave me alone I DON'T VAPE anywhere but in my car or HOUSE.

But no.

We're all gonna die someday. That is the thought that brings me comfort these days. It's not even like "I MUST DIE" or anything, it's more like, "Someday in the not too distant future, I will not have to eat, clothe myself, buy toilet paper, make sure my bills are paid and vape in an increasingly vape hostile world.." Kind of thing.

I figure at best everything will be far more effortless, and at worst, I wont have any consciousness to worry about Me. Trying not to consider the third option as I am required to get in a lake of fire and brimstone and stir vapes as they like, melt slowly and Satan laughs.

Etc.
Anna

 

[Jazzman]

Hello all
The vaping manufacturers need to get together and start leaving extra room in the flavorless juices, then sell the flavor concentrates. You can add this to your bottle and voila, you can still get your favorite juices. There is no law prohibiting that, as you can't vape the concentrates by themselves. It would work, at least until they banned the concentrates. The UK does this with nicotine now. Just a thought.

Short Shots are absolutely a viable alternative. It has been successful in the Euro Union since the TPD and is a way forward for vaping there. Of course the vaping in Europe is greatly aided by the government understanding the value of vaping... unlike in the US. The 2 methods used are short shots with everything needed to vape except nic, which can be purchased in small bottles just for that purpose and one shots which are just the flavoring portion of ejuice and you add your own nic base. One shots have been available for those that want to vape cheaply here in the US for several years now and it dramatically decreases the price of juice for those that want professional quality mixes at a very inexpensive price.

So unless new regulations and executive orders are released (don't discount that that very thing could happen) both of these will be viable for current vapers. The hard part is that I think that will do very little good for new potential vapers that want to stop smoking and don't understand it or want to take the time and effort to do this.

 

[Izan]

Hello all
The vaping manufacturers need to get together and start leaving extra room in the flavorless juices, then sell the flavor concentrates. You can add this to your bottle and voila, you can still get your favorite juices. There is no law prohibiting that, as you can't vape the concentrates by themselves. It would work, at least until they banned the concentrates. The UK does this with nicotine now. Just a thought.

The way the law is written in the US, if the intended use is for vaping, it is covered and prohibited.
In the EU/UK regulators are attempting to correct those loopholes that permit short-fills.

Cheers
I

 

[fiddleshe]

Except you have places like Massachusetts that has banned even flavorless.

 

[Smoke-fee]

Short Shots are absolutely a viable alternative. It has been successful in the Euro Union since the TPD and is a way forward for vaping there. Of course the vaping in Europe is greatly aided by the government understanding the value of vaping... unlike in the US. The 2 methods used are short shots with everything needed to vape except nic, which can be purchased in small bottles just for that purpose and one shots which are just the flavoring portion of ejuice and you add your own nic base. One shots have been available for those that want to vape cheaply here in the US for several years now and it dramatically decreases the price of juice for those that want professional quality mixes at a very inexpensive price.

So unless new regulations and executive orders are released (don't discount that that very thing could happen) both of these will be viable for current vapers. The hard part is that I think that will do very little good for new potential vapers that want to stop smoking and don't understand it or want to take the time and effort to do this.

Yes that's how it's done here in the UK.

 

[Iron Molly]

The problem with this idea is that it will only work until the May 2020 PMTA date. After that, we don't know what, if anything, will be available for sale.

 

[Rossum]

The way the law is written in the US, if the intended use is for vaping, it is covered and prohibited.

The problem with this idea is that it will only work until the May 2020 PMTA date. After that, we don't know what, if anything, will be available for sale.

Yep, the proposed solution might work for the next seven months in the small number of states and localities that have banned flavored liquids. However, it is by far not a universal or long-term solution.

 

[Baditude]

The online vaping advocates have said there may be loopholes in the regulations that we could exploit. I read somewhere that selling flavorless could be sold by the vape shops, and a premade "flavor shot" (muliple recipes) might also be sold, as long as neither purchases were opened while within the place of purchase.

Of course, this procedure would only work if "open systems" are still available.

 

[Dr. Seuss]

I’m with Anna on it being highly unlikely I’ll be the one that comes up with the idea that saves the day but I think I’ll wait for them to write the laws before I go brainstorming any ideas on ways around them. I’d rather not give them ideas on more thorough wordings.

It’s kind of disheartening to see that with numbers like ours, there’s a few suits that can manage to still write unjust laws in order to make their cigarettes the only option in town. It’s kind of pathetic really but who am I kidding, this country was sold long before I got here.

 

[Pleski]

I've vaped for 7 years and I've always compiled e-liquid my own using concentrates. It is mostly a response to the laws in my country, but it's also very inexpensive to do this. I'll admit there are some risks from mixing your own. You need to store concentrated nic somewhere (typically the fridge), and then there's the risk of spillage when you mix. I'd have to much more careful if I had small children in the house. If you have a large population turning to home mixing, you're going to have some issues. Someone, somewhere always manages to stuff up and make the tabloid news.