We are going to lose

[kwalka]

We are going to lose? Heresy! Blasphemy! Bullocks and shenanigans! vaping goes far beyond satisfying a nicotine craving - it is my right to choose what I do with my own body - it is my right to live as I see fit - it is my unalienable sovereignty as a free man - no different than free speech and the right to keep and bear arms. HELL no I won't lose that!

If it takes only a ballot, then I'm prepared to vote. But if it takes blood, then I'm prepared for war. That may sound extreme to some people, but liberty is THAT IMPORTANT.

I agree with your sentiment...I disagree with your approach. Which we both know and love that were entitled to. BUT, I have 3 words for you my fellow patriot. The Patriot Act.

If you feel the way you do then we will lose, we won't lose if we stick together in numbers, the more people we get to favor vaping the more people that will vote against the bans! I write my congressmen all the time with new facts about vaping and e-cigs and I feel if they don't make analog cigarettes illegal with thier 4000 chemicals then they'd better not make our e-cigs ilegal with only 4 ingredients and besides nic is the only thing in e-cigs that comes close to tobacco so there's nothing they can ban

LeAnn I have said exactly this in other threads, we must use our numbers to push back.

 

[hulsey76]

I agree with your sentiment...I disagree with your approach. Which we both know and love that were entitled to. BUT, I have 3 words for you my fellow patriot. The Patriot Act.

There are many more reasons than the Patriot Act, such as the NDAA 2012, but I try not to say too much about those things on the interwebs. Let me just say that I'm patient and believe first in the rule of law, but when the law becomes unlawful, I'm willing to serve the Constitution should the day come. The problem is, most people won't fight for principles alone - it takes losing some comfort and convenience before they pay attention. It has to affect them directly. I'd rather not let it get that close though.

 

[n9emz]

I accidentally stumbled upon a vaping education strategy the other day. I love my dog but I've most often regarded routinely taking her to the run-free dog park as a duty or chore. Now, I wouldn't skip a chance for the world because I had a flock of people gathered around me curious about vaping. I didn't even have to take a hit to get questioned.

Wish I'd have discovered this many years ago....let soccer moms spread the word.

 

[John Phoenix]

This is just my .02 but I think if enough people take the attitude that vaping is harmless and they should be able to do it anywhere they want then yes, we will definitely all lose.

If on the other hand we accord people the basic respect of not asking them to sit in a confined aerea with us as we exhale vapor laced with nicotine (and in their mind who knows what else) then I think we have a better chance.

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I do take the attitude that vaping is harmless and I vape everywhere - Hospitals, Restaurants, Libraries, Retail Stores -

and Never once in a whole year have I been asked to stop vaping in any of those places. All of those establishments accept my vaping and are just fine with it.

I give blood and plasma on a regular basis (at the hospital). Clouds of vape with my LavaTube - I produce a larger cloud than any cigarette does. No one has any problems with it once they know what it is and how it works. Fast food places, Wal-Mart, even nicer places like Houstons or the Olive Garden, JC Pennies, Macy's, my vaping is allowed and yes, I do talk to the managers and owners of these places about it, I'm not sneaking behind anyone's back.

All these people like the idea that I am not hurting anyone and I'm doing my part to try to help show smokers there is a better alternative out there.

 

[kwalka]

There are many more reasons than the Patriot Act, such as the NDAA 2012, but I try not to say too much about those things on the interwebs. Let me just say that I'm patient and believe first in the rule of law, but when the law becomes unlawful, I'm willing to serve the Constitution should the day come. The problem is, most people won't fight for principles alone - it takes losing some comfort and convenience before they pay attention. It has to affect them directly. I'd rather not let it get that close though.

I just googled NDAA 2012... It's pretty sad that I have to think twice about even taking part in this conversation! Whats even worse is that I would like to think that I'm fairly up to date on these kind of current events, and I had no idea what that meant.

 

[hulsey76]

I just googled NDAA 2012... It's pretty sad that I have to think twice about even taking part in this conversation! Whats even worse is that I would like to think that I'm fairly up to date on these kind of current events, and I had no idea what that meant.

It isn't like they wanted a lot of people to know about it which is why most people don't. If I were the government, I wouldn't want to broadcast to the world that I just declared every one of my citizens to be potential targets that can be imprisoned without trial or even evidence either. It's some pretty scary stuff. Stay informed and stay vigilant, my friend.

And in keeping with the original topic of this thread, if you haven't already, join CASAA to protect your vaping rights.

 

[kwalka]

And in keeping with the original topic of this thread, if you haven't already, join CASAA to protect your vaping rights.

I joined last week.

 

[X P3 Flight Engineer]

It isn't like they wanted a lot of people to know about it which is why most people don't. If I were the government, I wouldn't want to broadcast to the world that I just declared every one of my citizens to be potential targets that can be imprisoned without trial or even evidence either. It's some pretty scary stuff. Stay informed and stay vigilant, my friend.

And in keeping with the original topic of this thread, if you haven't already, join CASAA to protect your vaping rights.

As a frequent visitor it is not comforting to know that for being suspected I can be indefinitely detained without charges or trial. Very hard to defend oneself from being suspected! The fact that the military are allowed to do this adds another layer of complication to this as it would allow them to move me to Cuba.

On suspicion?!

 

[Iffy]

One thin slice of baloney at a time... until there's nothing left but finger tips... then...

Being a 'Nam vet, I'm probably already on a 'list'...

 

[DC2]

So my point of this rant is..we need to organize..gather the troops..embrace vaping like its a religion but I'm afraid it won't be enough..We are going to lose. Thank you for you time to read this

I don't think we are going to lose, and here is why...
A Tool to Quit Smoking Has Some Unlikely Critics - New York Times
How Health Regulators Are Killing American Smokers - Forbes

The people that are fighting us are liars, cheats, and thieves.
And when you get right down to brass tacks, what they are doing could almost be equated with attempted murder.

They are afraid of electronic cigarettes, because they have the potential to take away their money, or cost them their jobs.
But if those fighting us are exposed for who and what they really are that will also take away their money and cost them their jobs.

When our voice gets loud enough...
When we see more and more articles like those above...
They are going to understand clearly that it is in their best interests to leave us alone.

 

[X P3 Flight Engineer]

I don't think we are going to lose, and here is why...
A Tool to Quit Smoking Has Some Unlikely Critics - New York Times
How Health Regulators Are Killing American Smokers - Forbes

The people that are fighting us are liars, cheats, and thieves.
And when you get right down to brass tacks, what they are doing could almost be equated with attempted murder.

They are afraid of electronic cigarettes, because they have the potential to take away their money, or cost them their jobs.
But if those fighting us are exposed for who and what they really are that will also take away their money and cost them their jobs.

When our voice gets loud enough...
When we see more and more articles like those above...
They are going to understand clearly that it is in their best interests to leave us alone.

Wonderful articles! Thank You!

I had a small problem with the first link opening in Firefox (too many http's) may be a problem for others.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

It isn't like they wanted a lot of people to know about it which is why most people don't. If I were the government, I wouldn't want to broadcast to the world that I just declared every one of my citizens to be potential targets that can be imprisoned without trial or even evidence either. It's some pretty scary stuff. Stay informed and stay vigilant, my friend.

And in keeping with the original topic of this thread, if you haven't already, join CASAA to protect your vaping rights.

It was all over the internet and it's not surprising after the things that have passed the last decade or so..we gave up liberty for security (read my signature) because a lot of us were scared..we allowed it to happen..I'm glad I don't have children because the future of this country doesn't look good for that matter the world.

I still have a glimmer of hope though..they will keep chipping away at liberty and someday people will wake up and it will be too late if it isn't already. Anyways I would rather die than be imprisoned without rights..so live free or die is one of my motto's if I am forced..I'm not afraid to speak my mind either so if the "nazi's" are watching they can go fly a kite.

 

[DC2]

I had a small problem with the first link opening in Firefox (too many http's) may be a problem for others.

Ah yes, I've got it fixed now. I had a little typo in there. Thanks for letting me know!

 

[kwalka]

I don't think we are going to lose, and here is why...
A Tool to Quit Smoking Has Some Unlikely Critics - New York Times
How Health Regulators Are Killing American Smokers - Forbes

The people that are fighting us are liars, cheats, and thieves.
And when you get right down to brass tacks, what they are doing could almost be equated with attempted murder.

They are afraid of electronic cigarettes, because they have the potential to take away their money, or cost them their jobs.
But if those fighting us are exposed for who and what they really are that will also take away their money and cost them their jobs.

When our voice gets loud enough...
When we see more and more articles like those above...
They are going to understand clearly that it is in their best interests to leave us alone.

I agree with you whole heartedly, and those are great articles, But "exposed"? The effects of smoking have been well known for years. But the Gov. makes too much $ off of it to stop it. If it was a matter of exposure, it would of happened a long time ago. BT has been commiting attempted murder on me for 15 years.
UP UNTIL 2 MONTHS AGO!!!
Vape on brothers and sisters

 

[DC2]

The people who risk being exposed are the "non-profit" health organizations like the American Cancer Society, American Lung Association, and American Heart Association. Also the "non-profit" anti-smoking organizations like Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids, the American Legacy Foundation, and Americans for Non-Smokers Rights. These are the people who have been the driving force in almost every ban attempt, but they are simply doing the bidding of their masters, which is Big Pharma.

 

[kwalka]

The people who risk being exposed are the "non-profit" health organizations like the American Cancer Society, American Lung Association, and American Heart Association. Also the "non-profit" anti-smoking organizations like Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids, the American Legacy Foundation, and Americans for Non-Smokers Rights. These are the people who have been the driving force in almost every ban attempt, but they are simply doing the bidding of their masters, which is Big Pharma.

I see. I missed that, and that makes perfect sense.

 

[erich]

All the conspiracy theories aside, there's a matter of public opinion and an unfortunate lack of overlap in timeline that we're up against. Not ten years ago, you could get a smoking table in almost every restaurant in the country, and ten years before that you could smoke walking around the mall. That started to go away and snowballed, and now there's no smoking even in greasy spoon truckstop diners. Had ecigs come around a decade ago, they could have been promoted as an alternative to smoking indoors, and likely would have been lauded. Now, it's an alternative to nothing indoors, which is a harder sale, no matter now odorless and harmless it can be demonstrated to be.

After vaping for almost a year now, I don't really like being where they allow smoking either...