What a crazy two years it's been

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So I started vaping about two years ago. I've had a couple relapses on the way. I'm amazed at how much the community has changed. When I started there were two vape shops in my area, now there are more vape shops than there are McDonald's. You used to go in, and the focus was totally on helping you give up cigarettes. Now it seems the focus is on making you an electrical engineer so you can walk around looking like Thomas the Tank Engine. A ProVari with a pro tank on top was at one time considered a large mod and you may have felt a little awkward carrying it around, but it certainly got the job done better than a cigalike. Today's mods look like a car battery with a machine gun turret attached to the top of it. Juices, for the most part, were named after what they tasted like. Now they have names like, "Cereal Killa". Vape shops used to be owned by and patronized by people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s that were starting to see and feel the ill health affects of decades of a terrible cigarette habit. They had finally found a way to quit that worked. Today a vape shop is like a frat house. Instead of beer ....s, you have cloud chasing competitions. Instead of encouragement to stop smoking you hear, "Dude, that mod's a POS. You need to run a .05 ohm head with 28ga kanthal and Japanese cotton in your RDA at 300watts with a 3mg juice with at least 80% VG to really blow some serious clouds". Yes, vapers have become douche bags. Nobody likes or cares about the cause of a douche bag. The bans are spreading just as fast as the vape shops. The FDA will squish this like a bug. The douche bag will still be able to be a vaping McGyver in his mother's basement, but the guy that just wants to quit smoking cigarettes is going to be relegated to whatever big tobacco offers. Thanks.
 

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So I started vaping about two years ago. I've had a couple relapses on the way. I'm amazed at how much the community has changed. When I started there were two vape shops in my area, now there are more vape shops than there are McDonald's. You used to go in, and the focus was totally on helping you give up cigarettes. Now it seems the focus is on making you an electrical engineer so you can walk around looking like Thomas the Tank Engine. A ProVari with a pro tank on top was at one time considered a large mod and you may have felt a little awkward carrying it around, but it certainly got the job done better than a cigalike. Today's mods look like a car battery with a machine gun turret attached to the top of it. Juices, for the most part, were named after what they tasted like. Now they have names like, "Cereal Killa". Vape shops used to be owned by and patronized by people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s that were starting to see and feel the ill health affects of decades of a terrible cigarette habit. They had finally found a way to quit that worked. Today a vape shop is like a frat house. Instead of beer ....s, you have cloud chasing competitions. Instead of encouragement to stop smoking you hear, "Dude, that mod's a POS. You need to run a .05 ohm head with 28ga kanthal and Japanese cotton in your RDA at 300watts with a 3mg juice with at least 80% VG to really blow some serious clouds". Yes, vapers have become douche bags. Nobody likes or cares about the cause of a douche bag. The bans are spreading just as fast as the vape shops. The FDA will squish this like a bug. The douche bag will still be able to be a vaping McGyver in his mother's basement, but the guy that just wants to quit smoking cigarettes is going to be relegated to whatever big tobacco offers. Thanks.

This also concerns me.
 

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So I started vaping about two years ago. I've had a couple relapses on the way. I'm amazed at how much the community has changed. When I started there were two vape shops in my area, now there are more vape shops than there are McDonald's. You used to go in, and the focus was totally on helping you give up cigarettes. Now it seems the focus is on making you an electrical engineer so you can walk around looking like Thomas the Tank Engine. A ProVari with a pro tank on top was at one time considered a large mod and you may have felt a little awkward carrying it around, but it certainly got the job done better than a cigalike. Today's mods look like a car battery with a machine gun turret attached to the top of it. Juices, for the most part, were named after what they tasted like. Now they have names like, "Cereal Killa". Vape shops used to be owned by and patronized by people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s that were starting to see and feel the ill health affects of decades of a terrible cigarette habit. They had finally found a way to quit that worked. Today a vape shop is like a frat house. Instead of beer ....s, you have cloud chasing competitions. Instead of encouragement to stop smoking you hear, "Dude, that mod's a POS. You need to run a .05 ohm head with 28ga kanthal and Japanese cotton in your RDA at 300watts with a 3mg juice with at least 80% VG to really blow some serious clouds". Yes, vapers have become douche bags. Nobody likes or cares about the cause of a douche bag. The bans are spreading just as fast as the vape shops. The FDA will squish this like a bug. The douche bag will still be able to be a vaping McGyver in his mother's basement, but the guy that just wants to quit smoking cigarettes is going to be relegated to whatever big tobacco offers. Thanks.

Love this post but you are gonna catch a lot of crap from people on here. Sometimes the truth hurts.
 

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So what your insinuating is that anybody who develops PV into a hobby is a douche bag ?

No, I am saying that many people who have turned vaping into a hobby are douche bags. The hobby has taken over the original intent of smoking cessation. Vape shops today are filled with college aged kids twisting wire around drill bits. I question how many of them ever even smoked. They grew up in the age where smoking was considered worse than molesting children. They weren't even alive when cars came with ash trays and cigarette lighters. The service you used to get in a B&M was phenomenal. Now I have some snarky kid whom I can throw softballs through his ears giving me an attitude because I don't want to build a workshop in my apartment to get my nicotine fix. The good news of the hobby explosion is that the kid who got a tattoo on his face can now find gainful employment even if he can't sing or play an instrument.
 

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I think it's precisely the popularity, the continual innovation, the community of vapers, and the ubiquity of vaping now, coupled with the foundation of quitting smoking that will make the FDA's squishing attempts, at least, much more difficult. The bigger the vaping industry gets, the more difficult it will be to significantly change it. Once austere vaping bans become associated with destroying industry, killing small businesses, and moving society toward unhealthier options, the politicians will back off. No politician wants to seen as weakening the economy, or opening herding millions back to smoking tobacco. Oh, yeah, I don't think I'm a douche bag, but I find that I need big clouds to stay away from smoking.
 

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No, I am saying that many people who have turned vaping into a hobby are douche bags. The hobby has taken over the original intent of smoking cessation. Vape shops today are filled with college aged kids twisting wire around drill bits. I question how many of them ever even smoked. They grew up in the age where smoking was considered worse than molesting children. They weren't even alive when cars came with ash trays and cigarette lighters. The service you used to get in a B&M was phenomenal. Now I have some snarky kid whom I can throw softballs through his ears giving me an attitude because I don't want to build a workshop in my apartment to get my nicotine fix. The good news of the hobby explosion is that the kid who got a tattoo on his face can now find gainful employment even if he can't sing or play an instrument.

Lol. I never thought I would agree with a Ravens fan on anything but alas I am proved wrong. (Bengals fan here.)
I've been vaping almost 2 years and started this to quit smoking and still do it so that I don;t smoke. I still hate that I have a habit but I guess it's better than cigarettes. I have been to multiple vape shops in my area and they are all the same. They remind me of tattoo shops. Alot of elitist frat boys/nerds So yes I know what you mean. Preach ojn brother, preach on.
 

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I think you're overreacting a wee bit. There will always be people in every hobby that will push the limits, not that I agree with it. Did you forget that you're living in the land of the free? Everybody is free to do whatever they want, and mind you I still see lots of people buying starter kits and etc and those people are in their 50's and up. The vape shops you patronize do look like they offer bad service, just don't blame the vapers (hobbyist or douchebags) blame the shop for offering poor service. The FDA will make a decision no matter what, it was always on the agenda, don't fool yourself.

It comes down to this: just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. And no matter how much you rage, they're will always be cloudchasers or some other type of extreme hobbyist that are gonna do whatever they please. Just take a chill pill, enjoy your vaping, and find a better vape shop that gives a service more tailored to your needs.

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I think it's precisely the popularity, the continual innovation, the community of vapers, and the ubiquity of vaping now, coupled with the foundation of quitting smoking that will make the FDA's squishing attempts, at least, much more difficult. The bigger the vaping industry gets, the more difficult it will be to significantly change it. Once austere vaping bans become associated with destroying industry, killing small businesses, and moving society toward unhealthier options, the politicians will back off. No politician wants to seen as weakening the economy, or opening herding millions back to smoking tobacco. Oh, yeah, I don't think I'm a douche bag, but I find that I need big clouds to stay away from smoking.

There was a time when our government was 1/1000 the size it is today, and they squished out alcohol. Do you really think the government cares about small business or Chinese manufacturers? The only big player in this game is BT, and they certainly seem to have a conflicting interest. How many checks do vape shops make out to the "re-election of ___________________"?
 

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There was a time when our government was 1/1000 the size it is today, and they squished out alcohol. Do you really think the government cares about small business or Chinese manufacturers? The only big player in this game is BT, and they certainly seem to have a conflicting interest. How many checks do vape shops make out to the "re-election of ___________________"?

Um, yeah I do think they care about small business--or at least they care about appearing to care, which can still be beneficial. A big mistake I think nearly everyone concerned makes is forgetting that all those "frat boys winding coils" would probably be smoking/chewing tobacco, or worse, in absence of vaping.
 

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I think you're overreacting a wee bit. There will always be people in every hobby that will push the limits, not that I agree with it. Did you forget that you're living in the land of the free? Everybody is free to do whatever they want, and mind you I still see lots of people buying starter kits and etc and those people are in their 50's and up. The vape shops you patronize do look like they offer bad service, just don't blame the vapers (hobbyist or douchebags) blame the shop for offering poor service. The FDA will make a decision no matter what, it was always on the agenda, don't fool yourself.

It comes down to this: just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. And no matter how much you rage, they're will always be cloudchasers or some other type of extreme hobbyist that are gonna do whatever they please. Just take a chill pill, enjoy your vaping, and find a better vape shop that gives a service more tailored to your needs.

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Did your experience as a smoker not teach you that we no longer live in the land of the free? That's just a slogan in a song at this point. I pay $2300/month rent and I can no longer smoke in my own enclosed apartment. If a particular douche bag doesn't quit fogging up the elevators and common areas I probably won't be allowed to vape here either. The shops now cater to the hobbyists. There is more money in RDA's than there are starter kits. It seems that shops don't want to educate people anymore. They just want to push limits. All though it is too late, everyone should remember that smoking was not banned everywhere for health reasons. That was a convenient loophole found later, and actually completely untrue in regards to second hand smoke. Smoking was banned because it annoyed people. Don't you think blowing massive plumes of smoke looking vapor that smells like a kid's cereal is annoying to anyone that doesn't do the same. Vaping is going to go down the same road as cigarettes. The bans have already started. The only flavor a cigarette is allowed to have is menthol, and they have to continuously fight for that. They had to stop advertising because they used a cartoon character in their ads.
 

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After 2 years of vaping why would you choose to shop at a B& M, I sell to many of my local shops but I don't really care what the people working there look like let alone there preferred vaping equipment.....

Because it's convenient. There are literally five of them within a 2 mile radius of my house. I never ordered my cigarettes off the internet.
 

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Um, yeah I do think they care about small business--or at least they care about appearing to care, which can still be beneficial. A big mistake I think nearly everyone concerned makes is forgetting that all those "frat boys winding coils" would probably be smoking/chewing tobacco, or worse, in absence of vaping.

It's very easy to shut down a small business when that business sells something that many people think is bad, annoying, or immoral. You can't just open your own casino or strip club or smut shop in the local strip mall.
 

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Can I play too,

Ok, here we go and please do keep in mind that this is an opinion as so many have them.

OP,
I can relate to what your saying but then again not everyone is as bad as you say. Yes you'll have your extreme hobbyists in anything, from cars to guns to dogs..ect but as I've mentioned before these are a niche group and should be treated as such, you don't need to associate with them at all if you don't wish to as I myself avoid certain niche groups. I fully understand that the demographics of the shop ownership and attendance has changed but this was going to happen no matter what, the only thing that we can hope for is that education of new vapors is still being held to the quality that it once was. I'm not fully sure that it is but I figure if the shop owners won't fill that title then I'll step in and help out. Remember that you are still a steward for the ecig community and with your experience you've much to share.
As for the FDA enforcing regulation on the ecig market that will happen regardless, I will admit that the names that have come out lately and the artwork is not helping the cause here. Yes you are correct that the FDA is gathering information to sway the general publics opinion to their side, they don't have to look very far in truth with folks pushing the limitations of batteries, names of liquids and artwork as of lately. Remember that though it may not seem like a huge deal any negative press is just that and yes these shop owners and hobbyists need to know this. Its fine if you want to but either keep it professional and to those who are in to it or keep it in your own house. I'm stocked for when the hammer falls but that's just me, just saying.

Everyone else,
Yes, what was said may hit home for some of you and maybe force a look in the mirror but here is what stepping outside and looking in produces. It may be an opinion but its one that is invaluable and has a lesson behind it, I've tried to say "Hey folks, it looks bad to be doing this stuff" but it fell upon deaf ears and walled in minds. So here you've heard it, and you do realize that if one person who is a part of the community thinks like this what are non-smokers thinking, what is the FDA seeing from us. To believe that they aren't keeping tabs on social media, local business and meet up's is just being ignorant at the best. I'm not saying that at every place there is someone but at a good number of places there has been or is someone that is keeping tabs. I'm also sure that phone calls are being made by the general public of the antics that go on in some of these places, no the FDA isn't going to publically announce it yet. They will when it comes to hearing day and they take out that big book o complaints and findings, it will come out and then the hammer will drop.

I'm not saying to hide away in a dark place, I'm saying that to lead by example, be the person you would like to meet yourself and treat everyone with the utmost respect. Try to not only advise safety in ecigs but also live it while your out and facing the public or if you can't/don't want to then say nothing at'll about your own personal set-up (Cloud Competitions are saying what you've got in a big, big and highly visible not good way). Remember that these future generations are the ones that will continue to protect the right to vape, this fight isn't just one that will be done and over with but it will continue from now until the end of days, what we lay now is the brick work for future generations of vapers to come. Yes is a big responsibility and I'm sorry to tell you that you have it upon your shoulders but you do. I'm not saying to not do what you love, I'm saying to do it in an informative, kind and safe way and offer others a guiding lite to follow that you will be proud of.

Just my thoughts.
 
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Did your experience as a smoker not teach you that we no longer live in the land of the free? That's just a slogan in a song at this point. I pay $2300/month rent and I can no longer smoke in my own enclosed apartment. If a particular douche bag doesn't quit fogging up the elevators and common areas I probably won't be allowed to vape here either. The shops now cater to the hobbyists. There is more money in RDA's than there are starter kits. It seems that shops don't want to educate people anymore. They just want to push limits. All though it is too late, everyone should remember that smoking was not banned everywhere for health reasons. That was a convenient loophole found later, and actually completely untrue in regards to second hand smoke. Smoking was banned because it annoyed people. Don't you think blowing massive plumes of smoke looking vapor that smells like a kid's cereal is annoying to anyone that doesn't do the same. Vaping is going to go down the same road as cigarettes. The bans have already started. The only flavor a cigarette is allowed to have is menthol, and they have to continuously fight for that. They had to stop advertising because they used a cartoon character in their ads.

You could always just buy a house ( gaining accrued value ) instead of renting an apartment and have all your non douche bag vaping friends friends over and not have to worry what others think......
 

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Seriously Dude,

Calm down, I agree with some of the points you make, and with that raging attitude your message doesn't quite get across the way you might want it to. Also you chose to go to vape shops within 2 miles because its convenient and you suffer bad service, as proposed by another user you could always shop online. Online shopping has a lot of advantages, one of them being the lower cost of many items. And if you really really want to use vape shops, try to find one that caters to your need and not to the frat boys/douche bags/people you don't like. Vote with your money so to speak.

And the people that blow huge clouds of "cereal vapor" in the common areas, those people are disrespectful, plain and simple. I could say the same about people who carry AR-15's to their local Walt-Mart because its an open carry state they live in, like I said before its not because you can do something that you should. And yes that behavior will end up helping to put up regulations, but the FDA (as I already stated before) always had a plan to regulate. Consider that your worse enemy is not the hobbyist douche bag, but the lobbyist from big tobacco trying to get the FDA to crush mom and pop shops. The hobbyist are merely collateral damage if you compare that to the lobbying power.
 

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Because it's convenient. There are literally five of them within a 2 mile radius of my house. I never ordered my cigarettes off the internet.

You do realize that's were most of the B & M's order there merchandise from right ? The internet ( China ) same with the ejuice, how is it inconvenient to order from home online ?
 
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