I don't disagree with any of what you said.
Unfortunately, I also don't disagree with any of what the OP said either.
Although I might have left out the term "douchebags" so as not to be passing judgment.
What a crazy two years it's been
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Unfortunately, I also don't disagree with any of what the OP said either.
Although I might have left out the term "douchebags" so as not to be passing judgment.
I'm very much a hobbyist, and I don't judge other vapers because of what they vape, or how they vape....because it's none of my concern. Honestly, my main issue with your original post is that you seem a bit quick on the draw when it comes to calling people who do things differently than you do "douche bags".
Ok, I see where you are coming from but...
Lets play contrast and compare shall well,
Young buck Johnny builds and amazing RDA, pushing the limits of his 35 amp battery and mod at a cloud competition, the mod ruptures as the battery vents, he looses 2 fingers and in the ICU.
Niche: Well, it happened, at least he is alright.
Vapors/new vapor: Oh my, is he alright, why was he doing this, didn't he know better.
FDA/Government: E Cigs are dangerous, they can cause bodily harm and possibly death, as you see here from the stats that we pulled that this could lead to x amounts of deaths over the next 5 years, this must be regulated heavily.
General Public: Now looks at the social media for news stories, the run the next day of "E-Cigs, dangerous for your health and Body" sways the public, now ecigs are bad.
----Second incident-----
Jill is a busy mother, she works hard long hours at her job and being a mother of 2 and a dog in the house she is often times tired. She rushes around and accidently leaves a bottle of e liquid out. The young busy toddler named Sky gets in to it, as most kids do plays with the bottle spilling the contents about the flooring and over herself. Of course smelling like a favorite breakfast cereal licks it off. The mother is awoken by the screaming of the child, finding her dog Charlie convulsing on the floor takes the child to the emergency room. The child is put in the ICU on the brink of death, Charlie doesn't make it due to the nicotine poising that happened.
Niche: none for this
Vapors: Varied from should have left it out of reach of the child to comfort for her loss.
Government/FDA: Obviously this is a poisonous chemical that should be kept out of the reach of kids, it is a danger to have around pets and is highly toxic. We need to investigate the entire e-liquid production processes as this bottle did not have any warnings of poison and the ingredients were not listed as well as there is no childproof cap. We will look in to regulation for this product to keep the American public safe.
General Public: They will see how the FDA releases new news about the poison control issues of eliquid and how much of an issue it is today, that it is a epidemic that must be stopped, they will side with the government to "Protect the kids"
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I can't begin to express this is how regulation happens, a single ripple in the pond becomes a wave on the shore and so many make ripples and don't even know it. The OP wasn't just getting on a singular group but the issues overall, please be aware of what you do and the contrast that it reflects on so many groups. Not everyone is going to care to find the facts and worse yet you have those that only believe one side or the other. Step outside your comfort zone and step up to the plate, we need leaders in the community not a frat house with no control. Please don't be a contribution as to why vaping gets regulated or class restricted, be the person fighting to keep it alive and lightly regulated (its going to be regulated, lets minimize the impacts).
With all due respect,
You're being a huge drama queen. Why do you assume the hobbyist are judging ? most of the Hobbyist / cloud chasers I've encountered in the wild usually treat noobs with respect and usually try to steer them away from subohming, and they don;t make fun of them for not knowing ohms law, they encourage them to learn. I think you're either confused by the situation or you live in a really crappy area where the whole town is an evil person (except you) or you are just raging based on some lame assumptions you're making.
Take a deep breath, take a look around and then maybe talk/engage conversation with them youngsters and hobbyist, who knows you might learn a thing or 2.
Live and let live
That's a good point, because many of the people in the vape shops you describe do just that.
I know, because I've visited dozens of them in my area.
I was there to educate them about CASAA, SFATA, and the coming FDA regulations.
I vape on a 650mAh Ego Twist (or an iStick Mini) with a standard 510 atomizer.
The attitudes I have encountered at many of these vape shops WOULD intimidate many new vapers.
Not me of course, but then I've been through all the vaping wars.
I'm a hardened vaping veteran who takes no crap.
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This. Did you know that washing machines now have to have the lid closed and will lock down before the cycle starts? Do you know why this is? It's because in a world of nearly 7 billion people, every year a handful of kids manage to find their way into a washing machine and drown or get spun to death. It does not take much at all. We no longer live in a world where personal responsibility reigns supreme.
Vaping has escaped regulation since 2008. A big reason for that was that there was a feel good component to it in that it was getting people off of cigarettes. Don't think for one second the government gives a damn about getting people off of cigarettes. They and their corporate partners lose billions when people quit smoking, but they sure like to act like they care about your health. As this becomes more about blowing clouds and less about quitting smoking it becomes easy to take it away.
I don't disagree with any of what you said.
Unfortunately, I also don't disagree with any of what the OP said either.
Although I might have left out the term "douchebags" so as not to be passing judgment.
I also don't disagree with the OP on all counts, either. I am not a young hipster and I don't feel comfortable wading through them all to get what I need. That's why I just buy online--it's cheaper, and I can take my time to study these things, and also read ECF posts about the stuff I browsing. I just feel that the OP is being too cynical. Maybe, it's just one of those days.
I get what you're saying, I do. But, you and I cannot change any of that. Nor can we stop cloud chasers from chasing clouds, and I don't want to stop them even if I could. After being ...... about all of this FDA stuff and the media lying for such a long time, I just finally realized all I can do change my own behavior and my attitude toward everyone else.
As I said above, really we cannot change any of this. There's no use in waiving our fists at the wind--we can only change how we behave, how we vape, and the image we want to project.
Hello my name is SuperTaz and I'm a vapaholic........not a .........
If you don't use a clearomizer and or have tattoos or your ears are pierced YOU MIGHT BE !
It seems everyone is greatly confused on what the real issue is here.........
WHEN IS WALKING DEAD COMING BACK?????????????
Feb 8th.....and I can't wait!It seems everyone is greatly confused on what the real issue is here.........
WHEN IS WALKING DEAD COMING BACK?????????????
Feb 8th.....and I can't wait!
Shhh. One of the Mods may see us chatting about something besides vaping. Lol.
Well for one the rant was his non biased opinion on how the equipment has become a danger and setting ourselves up for disaster with the government / FDA, the rest was just ........ of the mouth......
Feb 8th my friends......
Feb 8th my friends......
Feb 8th.....and I can't wait!
I'll put a Check Mark next to Fed 8th just incase.
But I have a BIG Red Circle on My calendar for June, 2015
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So you don't want to be told that you can't and in the same sentence your dictating that someone else can't. I know it stinks but blaming someone else isn't the answer. If your using anything better than a cigalike your just as responsible, you wanted more. Without the limit pushers you would still be puffing a Blu. A money maker it is, whose to say the government just wants to tax it. And how does anyone know had there not been cloud chasers the government would have left us alone.
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It's not allowed to be marketed as a cessation device so the downfall is that no one will push it as a cessation device, it's illegal to say it's a cessation device.....so now everyone is supposed to just know that?
Peddling an alternative to smoking that's a little safer and the expectation is no one would decide to use it instead of ever smoking?
We demonized smoking so that 18 yr olds wouldn't do it- their not lol what's the problem?
This was all played as well as could be but no one accounted for free will and the million personalities co-exsisting together. You can't save the children, they have to save themselves, these are people with the descision making capabilities right? Because again they choose just as we all did to pick a coping device. No advice, guidance, or laws can stop free will..... And it's foolish to think you can.
No attitude was used to get my points out just observations from me I apologize if I rub someone the wrong way. Not my intentions.
And to a degree I agree with some of it as in most people have no clue what is in the flavoring there vaping but all in all I think everyone ? is seeing the millions $ being spent as vaping has become accepted and they all have there hand out, Philip Morris corporation should be investigated, there is always the safer FDA approved CHANTIX
Chantix Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com
FDA: Anti-smoking drug Chantix linked to more than 500 suicides | Al Jazeera America
Chantix Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com
FDA: Anti-smoking drug Chantix linked to more than 500 suicides | Al Jazeera America
Way to bring down the whole room man. We all just started to get along and here you come with your opinion. Hope your satisfied with yourself.
I think we can all agree its going to be regulated. Doesn't matter if we're using cig a likes or Provaris, vaping at 8 watts or 200 watts. Uncle Sam wants his cut of someone else's fun.
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