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arnoman

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I want to hear from people here that have been vaping for 6 months or more. How has it affected you? Do you have any side effects? Do you know of anyone that has? I think it's crucial to be honest about this. The reason I ask is because we need some documentation on the history of our successes thus far. The biggest problem with skeptics and anti-vapers is the long run. Everyone talks and blogs about how great this is but I feel some input is needed as to what the future holds for us and how it has helped us in the long run. If we are to make our voices heard we must show proof of the benefits.

When vaping heavily (as some of us do) exactly how much PG and other ingredients does your body consume? My estimation is about 1/4 of the liquid you inhale, (we are inhaling vaporized liquid, not smoke, the liquid is boiled, not burnt,) is ingested into your body. So, if I vape 4ml per day, then 1ml stays with me. Is this OK? Will this cause harm to me down the road? This is something we need to know, for ourselves, and those coming to this. I don't want to raise any flags but I think we all should think about it. This technology is new and in need of support. If we don't, who will? Certainly not the tax-loving government accountants, or Big tobacco, or the FDA, known to have the one of the slowest wheels in the system. WE must convince them.

Like so many others, I went from 2 packs to 4 ml per day. I have converted 3 others close to me. The only bad thing I can say about it is that first thing in the morning it can be a little harsh. (Especially with TW36 ;-))

This website is amazing, every hour or 2 there is another post by someone in awe of their experience. Think about the people that don't post on forums, yet read them. I bet their number is many times that of those who do. No one can keep up with their questions. Many of them go unanswered. I bet they don't stop vaping because of that though. It works for them and it works well.

E-cigs are here, and here to stay. For us and many others. When a person in the hospital goes out to have a smoke on that lonely bench,(against all logic and advice,) wouldn't you like to be there? Wouldn't you want to show them how? I want to give this gift to every one of them, I wish I could be there.

I see a lot of conversation here and not enough action. True, I don't have time to read every post here, but I think its time to take vaping to another level. Since I started 4 months ago, I have thought of little else.

I want to compile all the testimony I can about the good and the bad about these things and present it to the right people in the right places to make approval as easy and affordable as possible.

If any of you know anyone that can help with lab testing for the e-liquid, speak up. In the long run I think it will be the main issue.

Letters to your elected officials are awesome, and I'd like to submit more than just our pleas. Give them facts. Please help me help us. Stay on topic and let's try to make a difference. I will compile the info and put it into an easy to read document for submission, keep it short and to the point, if I use your words, I will contact you first. I will post my results in a blog here. All thoughts and ideas are welcome so top up yer carts and let er rip..........a
 

ISAWHIM

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A testimony/testimonials is/are just words, without proof. Law requires more than, "He said/She said". You need second-party documented evaluation and proof, double-blind, confirmed, and with all other issues ruled-out as being a contribution to the present documented evaluation.

What we can do, is visit the doctor before starting, and have it documented. Followed by visits after using it, again having your consumption documented.

We can give a large college a great theseus, and ask them to do a full report on...

Composition of fresh liquid. Composition of liquid in an unused cartridge after two months on a shelf unopened and opened. Composition of residue on the heating element. Composition of the solidification/condensation on the inner mouth-piece. Composition of inhaled material. Composition of exhaled material.

Estimated internal consumption. Estimated unabsorbed product (expelled byproduct second-hand potential). Estimated second-hand levels (2', 4', 6', 8', 10' away and 3' off the ground. Since heavy moisture drops quickly, but our mouths are nearly 3' or more, off the ground.) Estimated heavy puffer, medium puffer, lite puffer. Estimated maximum self-abusive level. Estimated saturation levels in cubic feet, in an enclosed room, for one hour (How many people would it take to vape, and create dangerous levels for second hand occupants, taking into account the 3' of personal space, and 3' mouth off the floor, in an enclosed room, adding "Vapers", until the non-vaper is at toxic risk.)

Etc...

That is the stuff needed to support the use, as is being illustrated by the market. To address the concerns of the non-vapers and vapers alike.

Along with composition of common chemicals, cart-filling, and element container, used in carts and atomizers, under moderated heat levels... 100C, 150C, 200C, 250C, 300C, 350C, 400C, 500C (Or whatever the specific burn-out temperature is.)

Potential for Lithium-Ion battery fumes/liquid to leak into the atomizer compartment. Potential for the device to activate in proximity to FCC devices, humming electronics, whistling structures, harmonic physical vibration. Potential for a child to operate the device in a method that would cause harm. (Not that I think a kid/baby cold puff a bunch of quantum hits...)

Burn potential if activated without fluid (Since fluid level is not detectable until after it is too late.) Byproduct inhaled upon the burning-out of a dry coil, or new oily coil. (Manufacturing oils or plastic anti-corrosion sealants.)

General toxicity levels. General carcinogen levels. General inert levels. Throughout the use of a six-month cycle, using only old parts, and again using only new-disposable parts. (Checking for degradation, and initial toxicity from plastic manufacturing resins on the surface of the non-medical grade or unsterilized manufactured plastics.)

That is what medical researchers love to slap their names on... They don't pay you, and you don't pay them. (Unless you want to pay for endorsement after evaluation, and they agree to represent a specific product, by name.)

Measuring the use "While just starting", and "While having cut-back on cigs", and "After quitting cigs", and "Continued use without nicotine", are also relevant to the findings. Since each of those phases, seems to have other things like cig-withdrawal-sickness playing a role, as well as, VG or PG adjustment-sickness, along with consumed levels of vapor that changes as you continue, once off cigs. (Being that you vape less like you are smoking a cig, and a new form of consumption has begun. Smaller tokes and further apart. EG, a flavor-vaper will not toke like a switching-smoker.)
 
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taz3cat

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I have documentation from the doctors, but I was so sick last year that I am not a good example. They would not have used me in clinical trials, because they don't use real sick people. Can't tell what caused what.

My doctors would probably be willing to say that the e-cig has helped me get well, because they all like the e-cig concept and thinks it is better for me. They certainly don't think it is causing me harm.
 

arnoman

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]I am not trying to get a law passed here, just informing them we how long we have been doing it, any side effects, and how it has changed our lives. I know the FDA will take years to approve this. However, like many other new things we might avoid an outright ban on PVs.

The college idea is awesome, any professors here? I will see what I can do. That would be the most cost effective as well. Perhaps sending letters to them. I have actually gotten them to research something before. We'll see.

thanks.....a
 

Caesarea

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I've been exclusively vaping for almost 2 months - not an analog in all that time....

One thing I've noticed that nobody else has brought up here is my color. I've always been real pale.

Now I have color in my face - I'm not dead white anymore, I'm pink....

Same here - lotsa comments from family.
Course when I'm feeling irate about ecigvicissitudes I'm verging on puce...

:oops:
 

RacoonSpirit

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I have only been vaping for a couple of months. I think I vape a bit more than I smoked but the changes have been fantastic! I have a noticeable improvement over my senses of taste and smell. I discovered I do not like the smell of analogs any longer! I taste food much better and find myself using less seasoning yet food tastes even better.

The improvement in my breathing has been dramatic. I was wheezing every night before going to sleep (a driving factor for me to try vaping) and that is completely gone. I live on a hill and I was not able to walk half way up without running out of breath. I now can walk up and down it twice before getting winded and it takes a lot less time to recover. I could not spend as much time running and playing with my grandchildren because I would get winded too easily - now I run out of energy before I run out of wind! With a little more time and exercise I believe I will keep up with them as well.

I have reduced the nic levels in my juices, sometimes using 0 level for hours on end before feeling a nic jones. I hope to soon be using 0 level juice elusively then at least I can make my own.

Regardless of FDA actions - ban or no ban - I will continue to vape. It has pulled me out of the clutches of analogs after 35+ years of smoking 1.5 to 2 packs a day. I will not go back!
 

Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah

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Regardless of FDA actions - ban or no ban - I will continue to vape. It has pulled me out of the clutches of analogs after 35+ years of smoking 1.5 to 2 packs a day. I will not go back!


I second that - no more will I be chained to analogs! I will go to no-nic, I will take care of my attys, and I will, by God, ENJOY the habit I have....
 
I tried an analog after my first 56 hours of vape only. I put it out after the second drag. I know I will never smoke those again. Quite liberating.

Of course, I'm sure the gov't will find a way to make it illegal to NOT kill myself slowly everyday.

Government tells me that me smoking is bad for me and everyone else; then they position themselves (and others) to profit from it.:confused:
Sorry but THAT IS :evil:TWISTED:evil:.

They are essentially saying "Don't Smoke, but Don't Not Smoke Either ([whisper] the children are counting on you)."
 

gr8dane

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What we can do, is visit the doctor before starting, and have it documented. Followed by visits after using it, again having your consumption documented.

We can give a large college a great theseus, and ask them to do a full report on...
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That is what medical researchers love to slap their names on... They don't pay you, and you don't pay them. (Unless you want to pay for endorsement after evaluation, and they agree to represent a specific product, by name.)

Two excellent ideas. There are alot of newbies out there right now (including myself) that are just starting out. We would be perfect candidates to do this transition under 'medical monitoring'. This would be good on so many levels. It would get an official record captured, plus, it would be a great method to give the medical community visibility into this alternative. If anyone lives near a medical teaching university, that would be a great place to go for the tracking (it may be worth the 90 minute drive to UAB for me).
-Kathy
 

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I tried an analog after my first 56 hours of vape only. I put it out after the second drag. I know I will never smoke those again. Quite liberating.

Of course, I'm sure the gov't will find a way to make it illegal to NOT kill myself slowly everyday.

Government tells me that me smoking is bad for me and everyone else; then they position themselves (and others) to profit from it.:confused:
Sorry but THAT IS :evil:TWISTED:evil:.

They are essentially saying "Don't Smoke, but Don't Not Smoke Either ([whisper] the children are counting on you)."

I agree with you. Got my e-cigs and fixings several hours ago. I am amazed at how similar they are to Analogs (laugh).

Just gotta stop worrying about leaving a lit cigarette laying around. Lol
 
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