What do you think about temperature control devices?

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You do understand that wattage is power, right? And it is generally adjustable to a finer degree than voltage.

Same way of getting there. I don't have a problem setting voltage, and my VV devices are more than likely far more precise concerning actual power delivered than most...
 

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In my limited experience in vaping and in Temp Protection in general, I observe this: VW, VV, and Ohms all work together. If you control Ohms and Voltage, for example, then Watts will be the end result of that control. If you control Ohms and Watts, then Voltage will be determined by those settings, with obvious variances as the battery (or batteries) are depleted. In my humble and unscientific opinion, temp protection is different in that it can be set to control the temp of the coil regardless of Watts or Voltage. That is indeed a different method of vaping. It will provide a more consistent experience throughout the cycle, regardless, within reason, of wick condition or the amount of juice in the well or tank.

I love the concept, and I've got two attys wired with nickel to use on my rDNA 40. It is actually a cooler vape than I prefer, but often the consistency and lack of dry hits can make it worthwhile. I believe that it does have a future, and that it is truly the introduction of an additional control factor that can enhance the user experience for many, if they want to take the time and trouble to use the proper wire and wraps to make it work. It will be interesting to see how this technology evolves.
 

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So I've watched a couple DNA40 reviews. Is it even possible to do dual coils on one of these? Everything I've seen is about single coil.

I think many are using duals, but it seems (to me) to be the next innovation opportunity: Atomizer decks that are designed to fit longer wider coils to allow for amount of wraps and diameter desired for Ni wire in dual coil mode.
 

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I love the concept, and I've got two attys wired with nickel to use on my rDNA 40. It is actually a cooler vape than I prefer, but often the consistency and lack of dry hits can make it worthwhile. I believe that it does have a future, and that it is truly the introduction of an additional control factor that can enhance the user experience for many, if they want to take the time and trouble to use the proper wire and wraps to make it work. It will be interesting to see how this technology evolves.

turn up the temperature to get more heat in the vapor...
 

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I love the concept, and I've got two attys wired with nickel to use on my rDNA 40. It is actually a cooler vape than I prefer, but often the consistency and lack of dry hits can make it worthwhile. I believe that it does have a future, and that it is truly the introduction of an additional control factor that can enhance the user experience for many, if they want to take the time and trouble to use the proper wire and wraps to make it work. It will be interesting to see how this technology evolves.
Along with turning up the heat
28g Ni200 gives a warmer vape than the 30 or 32.
 

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Dual coils work great on my Vaporshark DNA40. Here are two 32G NI200 10 wrap coils at .15ohms. Fit great in my tiny Rogue RDA deck. The build took under 5 mins thanks to the soft, easy to wrap NI200 wire. No need to pinch coils, just leave them spaced. Wicked with organic cotton. IMAG1020.jpg

Great flavor, plenty of vapor.
 
Dual coils work great on my Vaporshark DNA40. Here are two 32G NI200 10 wrap coils at .15ohms. Fit great in my tiny Rogue RDA deck. The build took under 5 mins thanks to the soft, easy to wrap NI200 wire. No need to pinch coils, just leave them spaced. Wicked with organic cotton. View attachment 415750

Great flavor, plenty of vapor.

What are your wattage and temp settings on that build, and on which RDA? Just curious.

Edit: sorry, I reread and saw the rogue. I still want to know your settings though!
 
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Set it and forget it is a myth,for me. All my e-liquids taste different at different power levels. I almost always use the same resistance coils, but I wouldn't get the ideal vape if I vaped everything at the same amount of power. Some e-liquids are better at lower power; some shine at higher power. There is also viscosity to account for and ambient temperature. VW can't figure out any of that. Only knowledge of one's attys, mods and e-liquid can get the ideal vape- for me, so I adjust the voltage to get an ideal vape. Perhaps I have a greater sense of taste than most...

Some e-liquids I don't vape on my non regulated PV-1s- like complex flavors or tobaccos. I mostly vape menthols on them...

VW can be great for beginners, though...

OK. You have to be trolling. Enjoy your VV I guess. lol
 

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Set it and forget it is a myth,for me. All my e-liquids taste different at different power levels. I almost always use the same resistance coils, but I wouldn't get the ideal vape if I vaped everything at the same amount of power. Some e-liquids are better at lower power; some shine at higher power. There is also viscosity to account for and ambient temperature. VW can't figure out any of that. Only knowledge of one's attys, mods and e-liquid can get the ideal vape- for me, so I adjust the voltage to get an ideal vape. Perhaps I have a greater sense of taste than most...

Some e-liquids I don't vape on my non regulated PV-1s- like complex flavors or tobaccos. I mostly vape menthols on them...

VW can be great for beginners, though...

So what your saying is that some juices taste better when hot or cold. Thats true I agree with that statement.

HOWEVER, your argument is still that because some juices taste better at different voltages is ludicrous, since adjusting voltage affects wattage and vice versa.

Furthermore, Temp Control isnt "set and forget", and neither is VV/VW or even a mech. You build your coil to suit your vaping tastes on a mech, you play with the vv/vw on said devices, and you set your temperature on dna 40 boards.

The advantage is that you will get a much more precise temperature, and thus better control on a DNA 40, and since you keep said temp below, say the ignition point of cotton, you will never get a dry/burned hit. Which means you dont destroy your coil/wick setup, which means you donth ave to rebuild. It also means you dont fry your daily setup in the middle of the day.

Dont get me wrong, my prefered vape is still my subtank mini on my zombi. But I'm finding I enjoy my subtank mini with the nickel rebuilt head at 430*. No dry hits, and the vape is perfect ^^
 

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So what your saying is that some juices taste better when hot or cold. Thats true I agree with that statement.

HOWEVER, your argument is still that because some juices taste better at different voltages is ludicrous, since adjusting voltage affects wattage and vice versa.

Furthermore, Temp Control isnt "set and forget", and neither is VV/VW or even a mech. You build your coil to suit your vaping tastes on a mech, you play with the vv/vw on said devices, and you set your temperature on dna 40 boards.

The advantage is that you will get a much more precise temperature, and thus better control on a DNA 40, and since you keep said temp below, say the ignition point of cotton, you will never get a dry/burned hit. Which means you dont destroy your coil/wick setup, which means you donth ave to rebuild. It also means you dont fry your daily setup in the middle of the day.

Dont get me wrong, my prefered vape is still my subtank mini on my zombi. But I'm finding I enjoy my subtank mini with the nickel rebuilt head at 430*. No dry hits, and the vape is perfect ^^

It isn't even hot or cold. I like a cool vape with flavor and throat hit. Some just taste better with more power; doesn't make it a warmer vape at the power I vape at; I use 1.8-2.2 ohm coils at 3.3-4.2 volts...

I said power affects taste. I change the power by adjusting voltage.

"Set it and forget it, " was the slogan of VW when it came out...

That's probably great for your style of vaping. Not necessary for mine, though...
 
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There is a TC device coming out with a chip called VIR. Hopefully it will work and hopefully it will be a true TC device. Meaning that it will fire automatically and consistently at the temperature you set it at. The VIR chip also has the ability to sense liquid on the coil. It will not fire if there is no liquid. It is all automatic so if there is only a little liquid at the wick/coil it will still work, but maybe not as hot as the temp you have it set to. Pretty much there will be no more dry hits if it works as intended.

VIR uses Titanium Grade 1 wire only. And that may turn many ppl off to wanting it. VIR will not work with kanthal wire. Originally it was going to work with SS wire or Ti wire. But now it is projected to only work with Ti gr1 wire. The creator of VIR is strongly against coils getting red hot saying the oxides produced from overheated coils are potentially dangerous. The VIR TC will not allow coils to get red hot.

I can't say too much about it since I don't have it yet but there is much more info out there in cyberspace if you are interested.

The DNA 40 in TP mode literally does exactly what you just described, except you can use Ti and Ni wire (though only Ni200 is officially recommended).
 
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The DNA 40 TP is not just about avoiding dry hits. Its about not letting the coil get over a certain set temperature. This has MANY benefits, it will help you never get a dry hit yes, but it's certainly not the only benefit. Without temperature protection (and even when not getting "dry hits" ever) my cotton was getting singed and would start to fall apart and degrade after awhile. Eventually I would even start seeing little charred black specks of cotton in my DTs. I can go about three times as long without changing a wick in TP mode and even when I do change it my wicks aren't black or charred and are fully intact. There is also immense health benefits on not heating your E-liquid over a certain temperature. With that said though there definitely is some what of a learning curve with building with Ni200... but hey nothing REALLY good in life comes easy (at least not right away) and it really isn't that much more complicated. I was skeptical at first but temperature controlled vaping defiantly is the future of this industry IMHO.
 
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The DNA 40 TP is not just about avoiding dry hits. Its about not letting the coil get over a certain set temperature. This has MANY benefits, it will help you never get a dry hit yes, but it's certainly not the only benefit. Without temperature protection (and even when not getting "dry hits" ever) my cotton was getting singed and would start to fall apart and degrade after awhile. Eventually I would even start seeing little charred black specks of cotton in my DTs. I can go about three times as long without changing a wick in TP mode and even when I do change it my wicks aren't black or charred and are fully intact. There is also immense health benefits on not heating your E-liquid over a certain temperature. With that said though there definitely is some what of a learning curve with building with Ni200... but hey nothing REALLY good in life comes easy (at least not right away) and it really isn't that much more complicated. I was skeptical at first but temperature controlled vaping defiantly is the future of this industry IMHO.

This is why it may be great for new and inexperienced vapers. Some of us don't have those problems...
 
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