What does this ban mean for the rest of the world?

[ScottP]

Yeah, but not in mine. We are a country where natural stuff is super cheap and “chemicals” (for a lack of a better word) are not easily found, and if they are it’s usually expensive. On top of that you don’t know if it’s safe or not. Now flavorings, this is hard to find even in the food industry as it’s cheaper for us to use natural ingredients when it comes to homemade stuff. Also, the vape scene is not that big. Most people see vaping as a bad dangerous thing to do. It’s taken a while for people to understand, it’s just gotten popular over the last year or so. I wouldn’t be concerned if I didn’t know that we heavily rely on getting supplies from the USA.

Then my suggestion would be to stock up while you can. We will not be able to predict global impact. It may be your country starts importing from somewhere else like the UK that seems to have more sense than the US or maybe your country stops being able to import flavored juice at all. You may get a more accurate understanding of how this will impact you by talking to your local shop owners and ask them what their plans are. Some may be planning on importing unflavored and flavorings separately and mixing in house others may be looking to different countries to import from as previously mentioned.

 

[ScottP]

I believe the FDA only regulates American markets. Companies that manufacture for export will still be able to continue exporting their products they just won't be able to sell their products within the U.S.

You are correct. However losing 100% of the US market will no doubt cause many businesses to close down completely due to that lost revenue. Some will no doubt survive but it's all going to be based on each individual business model and how much revenue they get from exports vs domestic sales and how many domestic consumers are willing to vape the new tobacco only flavors. This ban really throws it all up in the air for now and it's going to be difficult to predict where it all lands. Depending on how the ban is specifically worded and if unflavored is allowed to be sold, I can also see a situation where they sell unflavored and "completely unrelated" flavor "additives" that are labeled as "not for vaping use" but really are.

 

[ambeck22]

Maybe they should start selling juice like Ikea and you "assemble" it yourself. I'm a terrible DIYer and hubby wasn't so great at it, either.

 

[zoiDman]

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I live in Perú and in most shops, if not in all of them, most of the juice that is sold is directly imported from the USA. ...

A Lot will depend on the on the US Company. And if they can still be Profitable without being able to Sell in the US Market.

Because FDA Flavor Bans on e-Liquids do Not include Exported Products. And the FDA has much less authority to regulate an Export only "Tobacco Product".

Any way you Slice it you are Going to See a reduction, possible a Huge Reduction, in Flavored e-Liquids that were Imported from the USA.

 

[Baditude]

Hi, Lovely. Long time no see here. You've been missed.

As others have said, it very difficult to predict what effect the flavor ban will cause worldwide, especially when we don't know your country's import laws concerning vaping products. I advise talking with your shop's owners and see if they have a plan. The suggestion of the Canadian manufacturer's seems the best bet at this point.

We share your concerns. I'm fortunate that I learned how to DIY, and have a limited supply of items necessary to make my own. However, I'm likely to stock up on my two favorite commercial flavors while I can.

Good luck, beautiful.

 

[AttyPops]

The biggest danger, IMO, is when people flavor it themselves WITHOUT researching what are appropriate types of flavorings. We here on ECF know how to do DIY and there's threads for finding out what flavors "work" to the best of our (global vaping community's) knowledge.

But the kiddies might get stupid and use the wrong stuff. Like stuff with oils.
Just look at the fiasco with the THC vapers and the deaths from street vendors using the wrong-juice-ingredients.

 

[PatVapes]

The biggest danger, IMO, is when people flavor it themselves WITHOUT researching what are appropriate types of flavorings. We here on ECF know how to do DIY and there's threads for finding out what flavors "work" to the best of our (global vaping community's) knowledge.

But the kiddies might get stupid and use the wrong stuff. Like stuff with oils.
Just look at the fiasco with the THC vapers and the deaths from street vendors using the wrong-juice-ingredients.

So much this. This is why I’m soooo concerned. The reason why I don’t wanna get into DIY is because I don’t trust sellers here. I know you can’t just use whatever flavoring, and as I said we are not big on buying chemicals and stuff.

On a different note, I have just contacted my go to vape shop and they said they don’t know what’s going to happen yet either because companies haven’t talked about it with them yet. I was checking a website while I taught my class lol, and it seems like they have some juices from Malasia and Canada. But it’s not a lot sadly.

@Baditude missed you too! Was that your picture in that one other thread?

 

[Baditude]

@PatVapes I'm very curious to learn what your store has to say. Please report back.

Yes, this is me five years ago at the vape shop.

As you can see here (in the middle), I'm not a cloud chaser. That's not the reason I vape.

 

[evan le'garde]

Errr, nevermind !.

 

[PatVapes]

@PatVapes I'm very curious to learn what your store has to say. Please report back.

Yes, this is me five years ago at the vape shop.

As you can see here (in the middle), I'm not a cloud chaser.

Love the pictures!

I just asked them what are their plans in case they follow through with this ban. I suppose other sellers will appear.

I also finished watching a YouTube video where this guy said that we shouldn’t panic because Trump usually doesn’t follow through. But I don’t know. I don’t know anything!

 

[iVapeDIY]

To add, Canadian made e-juice is regulated and required to follow our FDA (Food and Drug act) and CCCR (Consumer Chemicals and Containers Regulations). Our labs are subjected to inspection and sample testing. Same can’t be said about China made juices.

Noticed many local vape shops can no longer mix their own e-Juice since Health Canada inspections are quite strict (which is a good thing).

Btw, I like the new compliance labels.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Noticed many local vape shops can no longer mix their own e-Juice since Health Canada inspections are quite strict (which is a good thing).

Btw, I like the new compliance labels.

All juice manufacturing (or processing) needs to be registered to allow inspection and sample testing. I view that as a benefit to the end consumer. Imported product still has to comply to our rules. Dinner Lady and Five Pawns (2 that come to mind) are a few that are still imported in opposed to being made locally under their brand – both must have the “poison” emblem as per our regulations.

I think our government/agencies so far have handled vaping well. There are anti vaping campaigns targeting youth that do seem a bit propagandaish (is that a word). Don’t know where in T-Dot you are located, but ride the TTC and you will see them.

 

[iVapeDIY]

I think our government/agencies so far have handled vaping well. There are anti vaping campaigns targeting youth that do seem a bit propagandaish (is that a word). Don’t know where in T-Dot you are located, but ride the TTC and you will see them.

Frequently visit Markham Main Office for supplies ... recently tried your Strawberry Wonderland ... delish!

 

[sofarsogood]

Hey everyone! So it’s clear that things are changing for all of you who live in the USA. I truly feel for all of you, and I still can’t believe this is happening. But, what is the impact that this is going to have in all of the other countries that basically depend on the US market?

I live in Perú and in most shops, if not in all of them, most of the juice that is sold is directly imported from the USA. Does this mean that we won’t be able to purchase these items anymore either? And what about new devices? I’m aware that most of them are made in China but under American brands.

I understand that the USA has probably been one of the biggest markets in regards to vaping. How is this whole thing going to impact the rest of the world? Our vape community isn’t that big, it just started growing last year. Stores don’t really make their own e-juices, it’s hard to get good quality ingredients.

I’d really appreciate your thoughts <3

I didn't read all the preceding posts. According to what has been said by government officials without being specific so far, selling of flavored eliquids, other than tobacco flavor, will not be legal in the US. That does not stop any American eliquid company from making eliquid for export.

The FDA is regulating what can be sold to consumers in america. That is all.

 

[sonicbomb]

@PatVapes

 

[PatVapes]

I didn't read all the preceding posts. According to what has been said by government officials without being specific so far, selling of flavored eliquids, other than tobacco flavor, will not be legal in the US. That does not stop any American eliquid company from making eliquid for export.

The FDA is regulating what can be sold to consumers in america. That is all.

This is the type of answer I was hoping for. Hopefully companies will feel like they can still make enough money from selling to other countries.

He’s the vaping wizard lol

 

[DPLongo22]

Sooooooo....

Where are we all moving to? We could probably get a discount on movers if we do a group buy.

@mikepetro: You up for running another co-op?

 

[PatVapes]

Sooooooo....

Where are we all moving to? We could probably get a discount on movers if we do a group buy.

@mikepetro: You up for running another co-op?

I would suggest coming over to Peru vapes and good food.

 

[sonicbomb]

good food

How would you describe/summarise Peruvian food?

 

[PatVapes]

How would you describe/summarise Peruvian food?

That’s a tough one. Unique, exciting, different, delicious. There’s just something for every person. I’m a foodie and I’ve tried soooo many types of food, but nothing compares to the variety and uniqueness of ours. The problem is that it’s not very popular.