What eJuice makers are not telling us about PG and VG

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My father is a diabetic using insulin...his insulin requirements have been reduced by half in the 4 weeks he has been vapeing as his Dr explained nicotine itself can cause jumps in blood sugar....since he got more nicotine from smoking that he gets from his vape...that has reduced his needs . Also since vapeing he has increased his intake of water...the 3- 4 sodas a day he used to drink are gone he now vapes his Mt Dew and Ginger ale...so less soda plus more water also reduces his need for insulin....your results may vary
 

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I don't know, TastyKakes. I did a CTRL F search on 142.5 as a keyword, and yours is the only reference I found on the page. Without seeing the exact wording, I might guess that there were 100g of something with a glycemic index of 142.5 and somebody just called it 142.5 grams. Problem is, I don't think I have ever seen anything rated that high.

Can you give some context?

It's actually in the "dietary information" posted in the OP's opening message. It's an image, not text, so not searchable. For the PG it states "serving size 100g" and then "Total Carbohydrate 142.5g". Doesn't make sense. Even if they meant 100ml and not 100g it still doesn't work because the SG of PG is 1.036 I believe.
 

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Some of the snippy comments in this thread shocked me, to say the least. The OP mentioned sugar spikes, nowhere did they outright claim it was solely vaping causing the issue, so that quip about not being able to eat sugar-containing foods was, IMO, totally uncalled for and rather rude.

I'm hypoglycemic and I've always been curious as to why vaping sometimes causes spikes in my blood sugar and now I know why, this was almost shocking to me.

Along with some "dietary information" for consumed PG and VG.

Looks like St.Cloud was claiming exactly that, along with unfortunate wording of the title so you can might expect some knee jerk reactions but in fact I think most of the replies have been well considered. It was just pointed out that the calorific content of some common foods was higher than the PG/VG, even if you absorbed 100% of the vape. Nothing wrong with that - it just puts it in perspective.
 
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The wife is diabetic and has been vaping for over a year. Since I quit the stinkies in the middle of June she has been vaping more. We are getting closer "vaping together". We both vape a 80PG/20VG mix. Mine with 12 mg nic and her's 0 nic. She was just in for a checkup Monday. She has lost weight and her A1C was 5.1. She was happy her Dr was happy especially once the Dr learned it was 0nic. Lots of water and another responded ask your healthcare professional.
 

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As you can see both PG and VG contain very high caloric contents, VG even has Fats and Cholesterol.

So, I am not sure where your information is coming from but I am pretty sure this is either a joke or scare tactic.

What does confound me though is the claim that VG has cholesterol in it. Reason being that cholesterol only comes from animals and I was led to believe that VG was purely plant based unlike PG which can sometimes come from animal fat. As a vegan if this is a joke it isn't funny and if not then I am a bit angry. Actually I'm angry either way.

Nice first post........................
 

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thank you for starting this thread. Didn't even cross my mind.
I'm hypoglycemic and I've always been curious as to why vaping sometimes causes spikes in my blood sugar and now I know why, this was almost shocking to me.


PG Propylene Glycol Nutrition Facts:




VG Vegetable GlycerinNutrition Fact


As you can see both PG and VG contain very high caloric contents, VG even has Fats and Cholesterol.

Can some of the experts please clarify as to how these specifically affect inhaling them, how much of it is absorb by our bodies along with Nicotine.

I just might quit vaping if I can't find a definitive answer for these, as with my condition can really risk being in the dark devoid of this information. Many thanks.
 

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You can loose weight by eating hotdogs all day, doesn't mean it's any better for you.
So the amount of VG/PG is beyond what the normal vaper would vape in a day, and honestly speaking, I have lost weight vaping, weight that I really didn't need to loose, so I've actually had to increase my calorie and protein/carb intake so I don't loose any more.:ohmy:
 

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So, I am not sure where your information is coming from but I am pretty sure this is either a joke or scare tactic.

What does confound me though is the claim that VG has cholesterol in it. Reason being that cholesterol only comes from animals and I was led to believe that VG was purely plant based unlike PG which can sometimes come from animal fat. As a vegan if this is a joke it isn't funny and if not then I am a bit angry. Actually I'm angry either way.

Nice first post........................

Are you referring to the footnote portion of the label? It is not saying that there is cholesterol in VG but stating what the recommended daily values are for the listed items (fat, cholesterol, sodium, etc) based on daily calories. It is on all labels and is the same on all labels.

Well, it is suppose to be on every label unless the label is under a certain size.

Label for Tofu walnut burger.........

View attachment 256083
 
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Welp, most of the caloric potential of the PG/VG is consumed by the combustion process of being vaporized in the coil. So it's pretty hard to determine the actual calories ingested (without a bomb calorimeter :)). Remember, calories are a measurement of potential heat, and once vaporized we're taking in a heck of a lot less mass than if we ingested the liquid. Also, PG is a pretty darn simple molecule and is metabolized as lactic acid, which is naturally consumed in the process of anaerobic cellular respiration. So nothing harmful there. VG is actually a simple alcohol. Though it shares a common structural backbone with some lipids and triglycerides, it does not actually contribute these to the body when ingested.

Chemistry nerds rejoice: Propylene Glycol: View attachment 256029

Vegitable Glycerin: View attachment 256031

You need to figure out what the hell you're talking about and get back to us. Your theory is completely shot full of holes!

Only kidding...dude, that was AWESOME!
 

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How can 100 grams of pg have 142 grams of carbohydrates? That's impossible.

It's that "new math".

The problem with trying to adhere to dietary labeling requirements is they're designed for ingesting food, not inhaling vapor. I'm unaware of any studies or tests that show the actual amount of carbohydrates, sugars, etc. that are absorbed through vaping.
 

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Are you referring to the footnote portion of the label? It is not saying that there is cholesterol in VG but stating what the recommended daily values are for the listed items (fat, cholesterol, sodium, etc) based on daily calories. It is on all labels and is the same on all labels.

Well, it is suppose to be on every label unless the label is under a certain size.

Label for Tofu walnut burger.........

View attachment 256083

No I was only referring to the original posters claim that there is cholesterol in VG, which I do not believe it true. That's why I was asking where they got their information.

*ETA* And now I want a tofu walnut burger :)
 

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To OP before you get to worried about that carb count, based on the labels you provided

1 ml of pg would have 1.425 g carb or 5.7 cal
1 ml of vg would have 1 g carb or 2.2 cal
Giving you a total of 2.425 g carbs or 7.9 in 2 ml of a 50/50 mix.

To put it in perspective
IF all of the carbs from that mix were actually absorbed that would be equal to 37 g of raw baby carrots. Calories would be equal to roughly 25g of raw baby carrots.

It's not the carbs or calories, it's the nic causing your spikes.
 
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I'm hypoglycemic and I've always been curious as to why vaping sometimes causes spikes in my blood sugar and now I know why, this was almost shocking to me.


PG Propylene Glycol Nutrition Facts:




VG Vegetable GlycerinNutrition Fact


As you can see both PG and VG contain very high caloric contents, VG even has Fats and Cholesterol.

Can some of the experts please clarify as to how these specifically affect inhaling them, how much of it is absorb by our bodies along with Nicotine.

I just might quit vaping if I can't find a definitive answer for these, as with my condition can really risk being in the dark devoid of this information. Many thanks.

Smokers with diabetes have been known for quite a while to have blood sugar spikes, that non-smokers with diabetes don't experience. Recent studies by Dr. Liu have shown that the nicotine is what is causing the blood sugar spikes. Here's a recent article:

"Nicotine appears to be the main culprit responsible for high blood sugar levels in smokers with diabetes, according to new research presented here at the annual meeting of the American Chemical Society.

Those constantly high blood sugar levels, in turn, increase the risk of serious diabetes complications such as heart attack, stroke, kidney failure, and nerve damage.

''If you have diabetes and if you are a smoker, you should be concerned about this," says Xiao-Chuan Liu, PhD, a researcher at California State Polytechnic University in Pomona, who spoke about his findings at a news conference Sunday.

In his laboratory study, he exposed human blood samples to nicotine. The nicotine raised the level of hemoglobin A1c, a measure of blood sugar control. The higher the nicotine dose, the more the A1c level rose.

For years, doctors have known that smokers who have diabetes tend to have poorer blood sugar control than nonsmokers with diabetes.

However, until Liu's study, he says, no one could say for sure which of the more than 4,000 chemicals in cigarette smoke was responsible."


Here's the full article from WebMD: Nicotine and Blood Sugar a Dangerous Combo

Good luck to you.
 

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Whether anyone has mentioned this or not, (I didn't read entire thread), it seemed important to note. Vegetable Glycerin, when inhaled, is metabolized by the body and converted into water/carbon dioxide via common action. I don't believe you're getting any calories by vaping VG. I have doubts whether PG would yield caloric intake either.

One interesting side note I discovered:

"The risk of being allergic to vegetable glycerin is very low. The only patient population which may experience problems with metabolism of Glycerol would be diabetics owing to the anabolic hepatic pathway which can convert free Glycerol to glucose(but this would still not be an issue at the levels used in vaping)."

So perhaps this is the only exception although it does not sound like an issue.

More VG Info: Glycerol is one of the most benign organic liquids known to man. It is hype-allergenic, non-carcinigeic, non teratogenic and non-mutagenic. It is metabolized quite easily by a process called beta-oxidation. This process results in the production of CO2 and H2O and is a quite normal, common, and natural catabolic process.

The following is a few excerpts from a study called SIDS initial assessment profile of Glycerol Citation

Glycerol is of low toxicity when injested, inhaled, or in contact with skin
The NOACE for local irritant effects to the upper respiratory tract is 165 mg/m3
Glycerol is of a low order of acute oral and dermal toxicity with LD50 values in excess of 4000 mg/kw bw.
Glycerol has low potential to irritate the skin and the eye
Glycerol is not a skin sensitiser
Glycerol does not induce gene mutations in bacterial strains, chromosomal effects in mammalian cells or primary DNA damage in vitro
Overall, glycerol is not considered to possess genotoxic potential
No effects on fertility and reproductive performance were observed
No further work is indicated by this study, because of the low hazard potential of this substance.

The safety of vegetable glycerin (VG) when inhaled through an electronic cigarette (e-cigarette). Studies on the effect of the inhalation of vegetable glycerin through a personal vaporizer.
 

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You need to figure out what the hell you're talking about and get back to us. Your theory is completely shot full of holes!

Only kidding...dude, that was AWESOME!


There was momentary rage...;)

And mourningshadow...rest easy my friend. No lipids, cholesterol, triglycerides or any other wacky stuff in vegetable glycerin. VG is a molecular component in the synthesis of these (whether in a flask or the human body), but it does not contain or break down into these. Also, just an FYI, cholesterols are not necessarily animal based, for example phytosterol, from vegetable matter, which is a pretty handy little molecule to have floating around in yer bod. Also note that cholesterols provides the backbone of our cell membranes, thus it is indeed a pretty critical component in keeping our engines running. Though it does not necessarily have to originate from animal sources. What I'm saying here I suppose is Hate the Player, not the sterol :D
 
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