What funny tasting cartos look like!

[cryx]

Don't forget, these really are supposed to be disposable. And I don't think they're meant to be used over and over again as much as we do. They really weren't made for that. I'm not sure how many refills are considered normal though, because I'm new to this as well.

Yes, but you're looking at the carnage after one fill and topping off every other day, for about a week. I babied these things, and never ran them anywhere near dry. People claim they can refill the bloogs 10-20+ times, and wows can only be filled 3-4 times. Due to my diligence, I can attest to filling wows a lot more than that. After a bloog, I loathe the wows, but hey, it's better than a cancer stick...

 

[Death2sanity]

Ok, I'm one of the guys who was all "KILL THE UNBELIEVER!". For this I apologize, sincerely I do..

the concerns I have with the post
1) you're using a different manufacturers cartomizers on his "V4L batteries", and if he needs to be technical, I cant use a samsung charger to power up my phone..that analogy better for him?

2) The supplies to replicate this problem 1 "nightstand trash can" syringe fill them with whatever he was using to fill them with, however many times they were refilled (which is not stated, and for those counting thats 2 unknown variables right there) 1 v4l battery which if previously theorized that the battery on the BMF really harmonizes with the bloog carto to not be too hot, and not be too cold..plus it seemed to me at the time, that he had been experiencing this "burnt taste" for a while.
3)to close out the post, he basicly doesnt ask for help..he just says I want the FDA to intervene, not a diplomatic "yes I had a problem, and I'm just wanting to inform you all" that was like wanting to nuke the building where things were made".

the easy solution? dont use the V4L batt on the bloog cartos....and yes I would have them put it on the site something like "Bloog is not responsible for the use of our products in conjunction with other manufacturers batteries"

I am going to say that Bloog shouldnt be responsible for using a kr808 fitting though, I would assume the cost of developing, testing, machining and production of custom fittings just for the BMF instead of using kr808 fittings which are already mass manufactured.

My BMF with my BMF cartos work fine together, why would I autopsy the innocent, the only thing I believe until further notice is guilty, is his battery.

So there you have it, I apologize for hating on him for his words, but its sort of shooting yourself in the foot to say "I used your cartos in this other guys battery, and it burned it to hell and back" Development and research is all about testing YOUR product, making sure there isn't a problem with it, not buying every thing out there that has a kr808 fitting and making sure bloog cartos adapt to the specific battery, and perform right.

thank you for informing me of the problem, but I'm just going to do what I've been doing..buying solely from bloog.

 

[Newme]

Yes, but you're looking at the carnage after one fill and topping off every other day, for about a week. I babied these things, and never ran them anywhere near dry. People claim they can refill the bloogs 10-20+ times, and wows can only be filled 3-4 times. Due to my diligence, I can attest to filling wows a lot more than that. After a bloog, I loathe the wows, but hey, it's better than a cancer stick...

Never tried the Wow's. But I did try the Cool Carts. I tossed 2 of them after first try, and just chucked the rest without even using them. Complete waste of good juice, in my opinion. But maybe we're over estimating the bmf carts.

Personally I think we should just wait and see what Leaford says. Everyone here really is just guessing. And I think there's enough info in this thread for him to read and make an educated guess, at the very least.

 

[cryx]

Cryx please clarify... those are from the bottom (battery end) of the carto, not the mouth side right?

Sorry for the confusion, I should have restated that when I pulled the tube and roll out, I flipped it over and put it back in the tube. You are looking at the mouth side, but with the battery side of the roll sticking up. The heating coil sits just in the slit just under the plastic ring.

 

[cryx]

The picture you show isn't significant enough from the other fractured ones to say that it "vaporized" the plastic...it looks just like the others, a fractured unit. I have dealt with burning plastics before and this is not it, unless you have something from another view point it just looks fractured. It also looks more yellow but so does the blue background so I assume that is a lighting issue.

I am not saying this isn't noteworthy, the slightly burnt sleeves where the ends of the heating element contact look burnt enough to dissuade me from using one of these on a 4.2v device, however the menthol just looks fractured and partially deformed.

How can you honestly say you don't see a difference between the solid plastic on the first and the last? Click on the images and view them at larger size. It's not fractures or deformation. The left side is 1/2 gone and the remainder is a flap that is hollow underneath, and the right side is a sliver. Yes, it is yellow and discolored unlike the rest.

Even if there was some sort of government agency for electronic vaping, what would you expect them to do in this case where you take a product from one manufacturer and combine it with a power unit from another?

How about: Establishing "relatively safe" materials that can be used? Not allowing a manufacturer to use standard fittings knowing that other standard batteries are dangerous? Making manufacturers release the MSDS (material safety data sheets) so we can see the toxicity and melting temperatures of the materials?

Regarding combination of units, let me reminder everyone again:

I believe we've also had reports of it [burnt taste] with our batteries as well, and besides even if that is the case, people WILL be using our cartos with other batts and with passthroughs, so we have to make sure they work with them, too.

Given that Leaford used to work for V4L, I'm shocked the combo wasn't tested.

As far as the respiratory problems, I would assume it more likely that this is a continuation of the respiratory infection you had earlier this month and not a few cartomizers you have been using for less than 20 days.

No, I've long since recovered. The day I quit using the bloogs and used wows, my sinuses cleared out and my chest was airy, but I've been bummed ever since.

 

[starsong]

Never tried the Wow's. But I did try the Cool Carts. I tossed 2 of them after first try, and just chucked the rest without even using them. Complete waste of good juice, in my opinion. But maybe we're over estimating the bmf carts.

I've tried BMF, Wow and CoolCart. Prefer BMF over Wow but I do like a couple of the Wow flavors that are not (yet) offered in a BMF. CoolCarts are just ..meh. Haven't refilled too many BMFs cuz I only have one juice that's any good and it doesn't taste great over the top of the original juice that came in the BMF.

 

[starsong]

Hey, this thread is threatening to overtake the Please Ignore one. The madness must stop! I'm eating a banana.

 

[pmos69]

I don't know what to say. I can't believe some people have insinuated I'm a liar and a fraud. I'm neither a dummy, nor a phony, nor a plant; just a newbie that is losing his enthusiasm. The people that have been supportive mean a lot since I was about to write off this forum entirely.

I obsessively researched ecigs before purchasing, largely using this site. I watched lots of Leaford's youtube videos because his name came up again and again. I convinced myself that ecigs were the far lesser of two evils. I thought my only concern is flavoring ingredients, ex. the buttery flavoring (used in popcorn) that causes permanent lung damage.

When I purchased the blanks on 2/1, I found no discussions of "don't use them with other batteries", and the voltage-regulation of BMF batts was revealed just days ago. All I saw were "the problems in the first batch are fixed". Yes, the bloogs were sometimes just a bit harsh off a fresh battery, but so were the wows. I didn't know any better, I thought it was normal. The bloog's were rich, tasted GREAT, hit GREAT: I was in love. I tried to not fully charge the batteries and that helped a bit.

Then respiratory illness ripped through my kids. My wife and I got stuffy with chest tightness so we thought it was touch of what the kids had. The flavors seemed diminished and/or off, but I also read on this site that it's not unusual for people to think their flavors change. So again, I thought it was normal until we used our friends' wows at card night. We realized we had been boiled like frogs and didn't realize how bad the bloogs had subtly become. I've been suffering with wows ever since.

The bad bloogs don't "taste" like plastic, but have any of us actually tasted burning plastic? Some started tasted bad, but not plastic bad. The flavor was off, but the menthols did a really good job of hiding it. The menthol is the completely melted/vaporized one.

You brought up a very important subject, did research and provided facts and evidence.
You have my support and thanks.

 

[Goldenkobold]

How can you honestly say you don't see a difference between the solid plastic on the first and the last? Click on the images and view them at larger size. It's not fractures or deformation. The left side is 1/2 gone and the remainder is a flap that is hollow underneath, and the right side is a sliver. Yes, it is yellow and discolored unlike the rest.

It may be yellow and discolered, we can't tell because the entire picture is either lit with a warmer light or washed after it was taken, compare the blue's the outer whites and the fibres...everything in the picture is more yellow. All you have to do is look at the difference in the blue, something totally not related to anything inside your cartomizer, to see that, easy enough to do as you have them side by side.

It would be asinine to put a different thread on this, other than kr808...it would affect both charger compatibility for the battery as well as mod, which many can be set at 3.6v, compatibility.

 

[pmos69]

It would be asinine to put a different thread on this, other than kr808...it would affect both charger compatibility for the battery as well as mod, which many can be set at 3.6v, compatibility.

Not if the cartos can't handle "normal" kr808d-1 battery voltages.
In that case, they are really not compatible and different threading/whatever would be an important security feature.

 

[Rift]

People serious need to chill out and stop ridiculing the OP for posting a legitimate concern. A couple of his photos may not be little with artistic mastery but they get the point across. I saw it pretty clearly. Fact of the matter is NOWHERE on Bloogs website does it state to only use there Cartomizers on Bloog batteries. Why should anyone think otherwise then? There have been clear issues for some people with these things and I think the OP made a valid (maybe a little heated) post on his not so pleasant experience with the Bloog Cartomizers.

He provided photos of what he found and let everyone know his experience. There is no need to jump down his throat about it. This at least to my knowledge has been the worst case scenario Iv yet seen and I would think that for people like Leaford and others that are trying to fix this problem its valuable information.

I'm looking forward to hearing from Leaford when he gets the time to reply Id be especially interested to know what exactly the inner casing is made of that protects the polyfill.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

Rift,

I honestly do not see a difference between an unused carto and the ones pictured here on this thread. Maybe i am going blind or something.

 

[pmos69]

Rift,

I honestly do not see a difference between an unused carto and the ones pictured here on this thread. Maybe i am going blind or something.

The previous posted image is more obvious:

 

[DeeLeeKay]

The top of the tube is consistent with an unused one. Could the gaps have stuck to the silicone ring? There are pieces of the unused one stuck to the silicone ring. Again consistent with the one just posted.

Now the brown area going down the split is not on the unused one, but the split is also on the unused one. Is the brown spot burnt? Even when I held one(an old used carto tube) in an open flame it didn't burn, but melted. It turned a very little sooty blackish, but not brown. To me the brown looks more like something caramelized rather then burnt or melted.

 

[crbrown]

I can appreciate where you are coming from here. Jumping to conclusions helps nothing. I, however, disagree in that the OP was malicious in the way he expressed himself. The wording was used to inflame passions.



The silicon melted? What is the melting point of silicon?



Telling us he inhaled plastic? Is this not designed to enflame passions?



Needing the FDA to what? What has been proven?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...acrolein-problem-anyone-vaping-vg-read-5.html

Would acrolein be formed before the silicon ring is melted? Again the OP is inflaming passions. And while the intent may or may not be in and of itself be malicious, it certainly can be interpreted in this manner.

I did apologize for saying that this was not a bloog, where is the call for the OP to unnecessarily enflame passions when nothing has been proven?

I really not think the op intent was to inflame passions and to say that it was is also jumping to conclusions. I agree with slim in that it was showing their own passion on the issue and not trying to "inflame" others.

Edit: I felt that I should add that ignorance may be bliss but it doesn't really solve problems or work toward improvements. Hate me if you will.

 

[cryx]

The top of the tube is consistent with an unused one. Could the gaps have stuck to the silicone ring? There are pieces of the unused one stuck to the silicone ring. Again consistent with the one just posted.

No, this one came apart with no fuss at all. Unlike most of the others, the silicon sleeve came right out, and the tube pulled right out with no force. The sleeve had globs on it that obviously disintegrated from the ring.

Now the brown area going down the split is not on the unused one, but the split is also on the unused one. Is the brown spot burnt? Even when I held one(an old used carto tube) in an open flame it didn't burn, but melted. It turned a very little sooty blackish, but not brown. To me the brown looks more like something caramelized rather then burnt or melted.

The split is on all cartos since that's where the heating coil resides. Yes, the brown spot is burnt. I tried to scrape it off with an exacto blade but the tube itself is burnt. Another one had a smaller burnt spot too. I bet the coil gets a lot hotter, a lot faster, than a lighter does. Does anyone know what temperature these cartos hit? It'd be interesting if someone stuck the tube under a digital heatgun instead of a lighter.

 

[Rift]

Cryx can you take some more zoomed out pictures? With the filler as well. Id be curious to see the rest of it. If the casing doesn't come out willingly which is not your case that white ring can tear up when you try to take it out.

 

[Goldenkobold]

Not if the cartos can't handle "normal" kr808d-1 battery voltages.
In that case, they are really not compatible and different threading/whatever would be an important security feature.

Sorry but a thread type doesn't denote compatibility, a cisco 1.5 510 could potentially ruin your 180 mah standard joye 510 battery, despite the fact it will thread on. Whats more it will definitely ruin your 510 carts if you stick it on a 5v device. An Ego charger will destroy a volcano magma but they both have the same thread. A HV atty may thread on a 3.3v device but it isn't made for that.

Leadlord has said he has people looking into the burning issue, if they find it to be voltage related then yes they should put a warning on the site, maxfussion cartomizers are made for maxxfusion batteries.

I think the OP's concerns are valid but these pictures lead one to believe one was more yellow than it actually was as the lighting or color is different in the one called "menthol" the RGB values for the blue background do not add up. R9.8G11B52.2 vs R14.5G16.5B100 as a percentage or R6425/G7710/B33924 VS R9509/G10794/B65535 as a code.
these are basically the same percentage differences we find in the cartomizer ring as well.
What that means is that I can't tell if the thing is yellow or not because the entire picture is more yellow including the blue background which should have stayed the same from picture to picture.

 

[Death2sanity]

Until the real problem has been weeded out I'd like to say to cryx that I hope he has no lasting health problems the "tightness in the chest" or anything of the like, whatever caused it still caused a problem and I hope its an easy fix, dont lose your enthusiasm over me man, I'm just hard-core into it a product when I see a great product.. I'm a 1/2 full guy but im a real skeptic in some ways..

I will be following this thread closely to monitor the MUCH needed response from Leaford

HELP! not just anybody HELP! cause we need somebody HELP! *chorus line*
is that a bird? no is it a plane? no ITS SUPER VAPE triumphing over the evil CAR-SIN industries! Should have his own comic book.

 

[Rift]

Leaford is now Leadlord!? interestinggggggggg very interesting.