What happened to rip trippers?

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crxess

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Apples to Oranges much?

Somehow I read - Tilting Wind Mills here. You quote a statement of Responsibility to community on Health(not established, but assumed), then associate a PSA video establishing Proof of Defect?
Comparable? Not even Close.

This is not a Statement claiming No illness is caused by vaping:
Everyones body chemistry is different and as others have pointed out there is a tendency to unfairly blame things on vaping.

It is a Statement saying an assumption should not be Preached as FACT. {Exactly the opposite of your Example Video}

I Spent the better part of 10 hours sifting through Google and Actually Reading concerns over vaping related illnesses, Per your insistence of mass numbers.
1) The largest amount of the threads read through either Worked through to findings and corrections or died off with Ops not following through in responding to attempts to assist.
2) A Huge portion of those threads were by New to relatively new, Ex smoker/Vapers with little idea of what they were doing. Many easily attributable to Nic sickness and or effects of Toxic body purging(quitting smoking effects)

Even a Few that were directly Linked to Vaping had viable solutions.

Vaping Can cause or Expose illness:
Allergies are a reality and medically provable. PG/VG/Flavorings*
*However people often even get that wrong - by assuming. A Scratchy Throat or a cough is not proof of Claimed allergies. Several incorrect uses can cause both.*

Excessive Dehydration and Cramping may or may not be caused by Vaping. It may be from To much Vaping and to little Liquid intake. It Could be from having an underlying issue and revealed when adding an additional dehydrating action(vaping). tipping the balance to reveal the issue.****
***Again, this is in general, Not about singularities, Racehorses***

Certain persons may be predisposed to Not be able to Vape, in the form we now use, just as some cannot eat Strawberries, Shell Fish or handle Bee Stings.

Vaping is NOT a Plague and there is no need to Beat Drums in place of assisting on individual basis. For each and every person who may have a Vaping related issue, there is a solution. It may be as simple as correcting usage or as extreme as No longer Vaping. This again is on an INDIVIDUAL Basis.

Still awaiting findings from your, hopefully soon, individual testing.:)
 
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Not parroting. I was one of the first to express concern in 2014. My thread died. I avoid these flavorings and I really like good custard. I can make that choice because I have the information to come to a conclusion for myself.

Joe end-user going to overpriced local B&M hasn't a clue as he buys his hipster facial hair $30/30ml custard flavored vape.

Is everything conclusive? Not even close. Maybe 20 years from now diketones at vaping flavoring levels are harmless. Maybe not. People should be aware though.

Vendors/producers should be taking it upon themselves to either not use or make customers aware certain liquids contain flavoring that may or may not be harmful in the long run.

Half of Rips liquid line up are cakes and custards....

Do not disagree, but has nothing to do with this statement:
Which has been found to possibly be even worse than diacytel.

None of this has been established to this point, much less PROVEN to POSSIBLY(which cannot be proven) Worse
That is the Parroting part.

*Note - Not interested in Diverting this thread further.

Trippers Actions, not his Condition - was a sell out.
 
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Believe what you want. Pretty much, across the board the diketone family has been shown to be inhalation hazard in powder form. While not 100% proven, it has been present in all the cases that have occurred.

People should be able to make an informed choices and again that falls on the user to do research but, more so on people making and selling eliquids aware of the controversy and still selling said liquid with said flavoring because it tastes better.

So when someone that has made a living off vaping turns around and blames side effects for their ailments, even if not related to the flavorings, as they sell liquids with highly questionable flavorings it's really hypocritical....

Edit: Agreed crxess. For the record I agree with 95% of your posts here on the forum. If you ever have the chance try flavourart custard and capella custard side by side. Will really show the difference between using diketones and not....
 
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Chalk it up to Chaos Theory.
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I fell into hypothyroidism about 8 months after switching from smoking to vaping. I need 112 mcg of Synthroid daily and all is well with my headaches, dehydration, fatigue, mental fog & constipation issues. Was the underactive thyroid being medicated from cigarettes? Who knows...... All that matters is that I feel normal again and I don't smoke. AMEN.
 

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I fell into hypothyroidism about 8 months after switching from smoking to vaping. I need 112 mcg of Synthroid daily and all is well with my headaches, dehydration, fatigue, mental fog & constipation issues. Was the underactive thyroid being medicated from cigarettes? Who knows...... All that matters is that I feel normal again and I don't smoke. AMEN.
I would never make light of thyroid issues. My wife and oldest daughter have suffered from them. The daughter had hers ablated because of hyperthyroid and the wife has hypothyroidism. I'm lucky to have survived all that mood-swinging flying around my place until it all got sorted out..
 

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I fell into hypothyroidism about 8 months after switching from smoking to vaping. I need 112 mcg of Synthroid daily and all is well with my headaches, dehydration, fatigue, mental fog & constipation issues. Was the underactive thyroid being medicated from cigarettes? Who knows...... All that matters is that I feel normal again and I don't smoke. AMEN.

Wait a minute! You mean there are Proper ways to treat conditions? :shock:
(j/k) Glad you have everything under control.

Just because I do not air my dirty laundry doesn't mean I haven't had my share of health issues. well, not counting this Work Injury that has turned my life upside down.

Crap happens. You search for answer. Elimination leads to eventual conclusion. I'm still waiting and getting new testing every few months, but in no way - DRAWING Conclusions - to what is causing a continuation of my condition.:rolleyes:(not at poster):)

.......................................................................

Read a Good - Vaping making me Nauseous thread from another forum. Fairly long, but the Op stuck with it.
Daily Stomach pains.
Anxiety at the thought of Vaping his ADV.
Recurring for several months.
Always starting within minutes of starting to vape.
Became Nauseous at the smell of the flavor after a few months use.
* All this this after a long term of daily ADV usage.

People gave suggestions. Some well thought out and some, rookie advice trying to assist.

Op tried varying pg/vg several different ways. Attempted lower Nic. Switched to other flavors and still had the same issue.
Vape constantly making him Nauseous and after being a vaper for some time.

!!! Finally someone asked the question and made the suggestion. !!!
What Brands and have you tried a different supplier?

*OP - All flavors Same Vendor - Preferred for vapor/flavor

*Op - Ordered Similar Flavors from a difference manufacturer(Brand)
*Op - Testing New flavor - will report back
****Op - Thank you all. Who would have thought it could just be the Brand :ohmy:

Turned out the Blender changed Base manufacturers and the different chemical makeup/Purity, whatever, was the cause of his individual discomfort.
Different Flavors, Same base
Different pg/vg blends, same base
Different Nic strength, same base

Op is once again a happy Vaper. :vapor:


Grains of Salt.........;)
 

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Racehorse, you know absolutely nothing about my ethical standards.

Rip Trippers abused his position of respect in the vaping community because he stated his OPINION as fact.

As others have pointed out, his symptoms could have come from his hypothyroidism, from environmental influences or from something else entirely unrelated to vaping.

For example; the use of certain illicit substances also contribute to dry mouth.

That he was endorsing another product to relieve his supposed symptoms (and presumably being paid in one form or another) casts further aspersions upon his intentions.

Thats why people called b.s

Your example of the Marlboro man is imperfect at best.

Several of the models portraying him in advertisements have died of smoking related causes but at least one of them died after having quit smoking for 20 years.

None of them ever endorsed a product by saying it helped with symptoms caused by smoking either.

That would be a conflict of interest.
 
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per your insistence of mass numbers.

Now stop exaggerating. I did not insist on "mass numbers".

Certain persons may be predisposed to Not be able to Vape, in the form we now use, just as some cannot eat Strawberries, Shell Fish or handle Bee Stings.

Obvious and goes w/out saying.

I think somebody already referred to this as "another diaceytl topic". ;) (We all know where that leads to.) It wasn't a nutty vape reviewer who thought maybe that chemical was an inhalation risk. It was 2 research scientists, with medical backgrounds, who vape and are pro vaping. Yet there were and still are many who believe that by saying what they said, they "sold out" vapers and/or that the whole concern about diacetyl risk is BS.

Just sayin'......it goes both ways here.

Nobody is saying that vaping is the plague. ;) But I still think that Rip's mentioning some dryness / dehydration issues in a video is hardly "selling out" the vaping community. My only problem with that particular video is that his suggested "fix" for those issues was a possible paid endorsement which puts its efficacy in question.
 
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Believe what you want. Pretty much, across the board the diketone family has been shown to be inhalation hazard in powder form. While not 100% proven, it has been present in all the cases that have occurred.

People should be able to make an informed choices and again that falls on the user to do research but, more so on people making and selling eliquids aware of the controversy and still selling said liquid with said flavoring because it tastes better.

So when someone that has made a living off vaping turns around and blames side effects for their ailments, even if not related to the flavorings, as they sell liquids with highly questionable flavorings it's really hypocritical....

Edit: Agreed crxess. For the record I agree with 95% of your posts here on the forum. If you ever have the chance try flavourart custard and capella custard side by side. Will really show the difference between using diketones and not....


Would you agree, your DAP thread from 2 years ago died for a reason ?
 
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