What happened to rip trippers?

[Douggro]

Dude fell on his sword and apologized. He's flawed and erred; I am too, and I have as well. Live and let live.
Like so much on the Interwebz today, something can be taken the wrong way, out of context, or give an impression that wasn't intended..

 

[Racehorse]

On the other hand, every new vaper tends to attribute every symptom to vaping.

That's why anecdotals are just that. I've seen posts from some people saying they have more energy. I've seen posts from people saying they feel more tired.

That is why exploring symptoms with real medical data, lab reports, metabolic tests, and why your dentist/internist is essential.

Most of us are ex smokers, so any sores in mouth, changes in health, etc. really should be followed up on, with qualified medical personnel, and not "treated" by laypersons on internet forums.

But I can assure you that the anti-vapers are eating it up.

So are you proposing a sort of "gag order" on posts that may describe a vaping problem, lest the information fall into the hands of anti-vapers?

IMHO, a side-effect of honest inquiry is discovering stuff that you didn't want to hear. That is how progress is made and true scientific discovery made.

 

[Racehorse]

Short term side effects are Generally those Experienced in the Beginning of an Action......, Not several years into an action.

Actually, that is entirely untrue of allergenic reactions, which often develop later and sometimes are connected to repeated use. (cumulative effect).

True of food allergies, chemical allergies, etc.

 

[haleysdadda]

The comments in that video thread are insane.

Wow, that is a whole lot of hate.

And the holes on FB didn't have any hate?! Glad he finally broke his silence about the issue!

 

[haleysdadda]

Dude fell on his sword and apologized. He's flawed and erred; I am too, and I have as well. Live and let live.
Like so much on the Interwebz today, something can be taken the wrong way, out of context, or give an impression that wasn't intended..

Finally a voice of truth & reason!

 

[Douggro]

Finally a voice of truth & reason!

Yeah, well.. just don't hang on to that impression of me. I'm bound to disappoint sooner or later.

 

[haleysdadda]

Yeah, well.. just don't hang on to that impression of me. I'm bound to disappoint sooner or later.

You've been doing alright by me so far brother! Here & in that other thread! No worries about mistakes either we all make them! Heck when I first joined this forum I actually questioned @AndriaD about her knowledge level & ECF Guru status!

 

[Yiana]

Talk about mountains and molehills. Sheesh. I've experienced some of the symptoms Rip mentioned.

The guy is simply trying to help somebody by sharing his experience. I don't think he lies about his issues. So he introduces an electrolyte powder. It's Stevia sweetened which is fine, no GMO'S or sugar. It's a vegan product. My GF is a nutritionist and I had her look at the product label and she gave it a green light. Who cares if he is getting paid to shill the stuff. If it helps one person, that's awesome. I work out and steam sauna everyday and hydrate heavily and my symptoms are very minimal if none at all.

Rips biggest issue, imo, is he is always so BAKED. That discussion would take a complete forum.

Whatever. Oh yea, thyroid issues happen to both fat and skinny people.

Yep. Hypothyroidism for heavier people and hyperthyroidism for skinny people. Neither one is caused by vaping though.

 

[Ryedan]

Ryedan, is nicotine "dehydrating"? I was not, and am not aware that it is. Don't remember reading about that here.

I thought it was pg / vg that "might" have that affect on some people?

I did some research a couple of years ago on vaping and dehydration and I found a study on the affects of nicotine on it. I wish I had the link but I don't and my Google-fu is not working tonight

I'll summarize the study results as best I can, but keep in mind it's been a while. Nicotine is a diuretic for some people and has no effect on others. I don't remember any percentages but I remember thinking the effect is probably enough to be significant for someone who already has hydration issues, but probably not for healthy folks. I believe I only found that one study on the topic, but I felt it was a high quality website and study.

My opinion on PG/VG is that the hygroscopic nature of these substances is irrelevant because even if they absorb their own weight in water, the small quantity of juice we vape makes that insignificant to a person's body hydration level. I also couldn't find anything that suggested to me that absorbing the small quantities involved could affect us chemically, but that really doesn't mean much other than I found nothing that suggest that can happen.

For me, vaping nic makes my mouth feel a bit dry which doesn't happen when I don't vape nic. I vaped 90% VG for at least a year and since about December I've been at 90% PG with the same results.

 

[Yiana]

I did some research a couple of years ago on vaping and dehydration and I found a study on the affects of nicotine on it. I wish I had the link but I don't and my Google-fu is not working tonight

I'll summarize the study results as best I can, but keep in mind it's been a while. Nicotine is a diuretic for some people and has no effect on others. I don't remember any percentages but I remember thinking the effect is probably enough to be significant for someone who already has hydration issues, but probably not for healthy folks. I believe I only found that one study on the topic, but I felt it was a high quality website and study.

My opinion on PG/VG is that the hygroscopic nature of these substances is irrelevant because even if they absorb their own weight in water, the small quantity of juice we vape makes that insignificant to a person's body hydration level. I also couldn't find anything that suggested to me that absorbing the small quantities involved could affect us chemically, but that really doesn't mean much other than I found nothing that suggest that can happen.

For me, vaping nic makes my mouth feel a bit dry which doesn't happen when I don't vape nic. I vaped 90% VG for at least a year and since about December I've been at 90% PG with the same results.

I only vape the pg that are in my flavors that I diy. And I do find my mouth dry at times, but I think I was more dry and definitely had sore throats with when I used to vape high pg.

Plus, what does everyone say on these boards to new vapers?
Make sure to drink water and stay hydrated.

 

[Yiana]

You know npw that I think about it when I first started vaping I was doing high nicotine levels. That was three years ago. I have continuously dropped my nicotine level. So in three years I went from 18-24 mg down to 2mg nic. Do nicotine levels have something to do with it too?

 

[Ryedan]

I only vape the pg that are in my flavors that I diy. And I do find my mouth dry at times, but I think I was more dry and definitely had sore throats with when I used to vape high pg.

Yup, people have different experiences with vaping

Plus, what does everyone say on these boards to new vapers?
Make sure to drink water and stay hydrated.

Staying hydrated is always a good thing. Has vaping changed your hydration level?

 

[Jim_ MDP]

My opinion on PG/VG is that the hygroscopic nature of these substances is irrelevant because even if they absorb their own weight in water, the small quantity of juice we vape makes that insignificant to a person's body hydration level.

That would be my thought as well.
For this issue, I would expect PG to be the more important.
It's why we used it as the humidification medium in our cigar humidifiers.

In an enclosed space, it will regulate to an approximate relative humidity of 70%.
Useful stuff.

But honestly... it will only draw in to that RH. And it's not exactly constrained from room humidity prior to being vaped. Nor is it instantaneous, or "effect at a distance".
The whole idea just doesn't track.

 

[HauntedMyst]

I'm looking forward to the time when humanity gets over itself and being offended by every damn thing is no longer in vogue.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

I'm looking forward to the time when humanity gets over itself and being offended by every damn thing is no longer in vogue.

It would be stupid to say "don't hold your breath".

So I'll say... look into longevity extension.
Really, really, really effective longevity extension.

 

[Yiana]

Yup, people have different experiences with vaping



Staying hydrated is always a good thing. Has vaping changed your hydration level?

I was never well hydrated to begin with. But I think it has a little bit.

And yes we are all different when it comes to vaping that is what I love about it. It is more tailored to the individual.

 

[crxess]

Anecdotals alone don't mean much to me. I like to use actual science, backed up with values, numbers, and tests.

Why then have you not gone forward with the self testing you mention? Is that not achievable Data, possibly needed, to either confirm or remove doubt? Per your Concerns, you should follow through.

Nothing mentioned was anecdotal in nature intended, Nor was it a Prescription
Self care and awareness is fundamental regardless of findings.

 

[thetrucker]

I'm looking forward to the time when humanity gets over itself and being offended by every damn thing is no longer in vogue.

Very true statement..........when people start to like each other again.......

 

[Rizzyking]

I have never said vaping is totally safe nor have I ever said there are no side effects from it because there simply hasn't been enough time for all aspects and effects to be studied and verified and no I certainly do not advocate people not discussing issue's that may be vaping related. Where I have a problem is when someone makes a big deal of possible issue's in an advert with affiliate links from which they personally profit from their supposed aid to these issue's.

Whilst I support wholeheartedly your evidence based approach Racehorse we have no real evidence of these issue's with riptrippers beyond his claims the most fervent made during that advert. If i suffered with something that vaping could be contributing too I would post here and other forums to give normal people a heads up I wouldn't make a video with payment from a company and affiliate links to make money off my fellow vaper's. I have no doubt vaping may contribute to some conditions and make them worse but I do not believe that vaping is the cause of these issue's and therefore a degree of perspective is required and a responsible attitude to both the condition or the way you choose to highlight possible issue's.

He handed the antz a great big gift and don't try to tell me he wasn't aware of that when he did it, he just valued the money more then any damage he did that's my biggest problem with him on this specific incident.

 

[zapped]

Can you explain why it not equally permissible for individual vapers to discuss problems / obstacles they've encountered with vaping?

And/or why bringing those things up is considered "selling out the vaping community"?

I'll field this one.

Rip's notoriety as a reviewer places him in a position of trust within the vaping community. Like it or not, he's a role model to some and his celebrity comes with responsibilities and obligations.

One of which is protecting vapers and our lifestyle/hobby.You would think that as much loot as he's earned as a reviewer that it would also be an act of self preservation.

You dont give Antz ammunition to use against us. Thats just dumb, and especially not when you cannot be sure if vaping is even causing the issues youre experiencing.

Everyones body chemistry is different and as others have pointed out there is a tendency to unfairly blame things on vaping.

Ive even experienced that myself when I blamed a lipoma on vaping......instead of my age.

The difference is, I didnt go on youtube (or even here) and broadcast that to 1 million viewers.

And Im glad I didnt because I was totally wrong in regard.

Didnt stop my addiction from taking advantage of the fact and using it as an excuse to go back to smoking.

In fact, I wonder if it wasnt the addiction talking all along.