What have you extracted lately?

[boomerdude]

I was using the syringe with cotton method but I just got an Aeropress. I'm looking forward to using it on the eight extractions I have going.

American Spirit Perigue
Sutcliff Sunset Rum
McClelland #110 Just Plain Nut
Captain Black Cavendish
Perdomo 23
CAO Italia
2 of my own Varietal blends.

The Perdomo 23 should be ready by Saturday.

 

[Bunnykiller]

have you done the AS Perique before?? and if you have how did it turn out?

 

[Bunnykiller]

need to figure out a way to recapture the everclear during the reducing process without having to pay a small fortune in glassware....

guess Ill go read up on micro stills

 

[johni]

Fire-cured leaf and aged burley sounds interesting. I am too much of a novice to mix different tobaccos, I wouldn't know what I was doing, so I've stuck to extracting blends so far. Recently I did a White Ox maceration that tastes a lot like Net.com's fire-cured burley, but it has a fair bit more going on it. I've been looking for some fire-cured burley blends to try ever since, I must be looking in the wrong places and haven't found anything yet, open to suggestions...

Ian, fire cured Burley seems to be a name developed in the vaping world. The name for it in the pipe smoking world is Dark Fired Kentucky. It is available as a blending tobacco (straight) and of course in many pipe blends and even cigars.

 

[Ian444]

Aha! Thank you! I was at a dead-end before. A quick search and there are many options. Thanks! My wish list grows longer. There seems to be no end to the number of potential good tobaccos out there to extract

Edit - I like the look of this one. reviews here.

 

[boomerdude]

This is my first time with the Perique. I've done the Bold and Organic and they were very tasty. It would be ready to mix if I hadn't spilled the original 60 mls all over everything. Had to start over. I did manage to make 3 mls. of juice from the remnants and that's steeping also.

have you done the AS Perique before?? and if you have how did it turn out?

 

[Ian444]

Samuel Gawith Balkan Flake tastes very good after just one week of steeping, I've been vaping it most of the day, which is unusual for me.

The tobacco was added to the PG/PGA solvent (2 parts PG to 1 part PGA), and heated in a warm water bath in a sealed container for 4 hours at 50C. The extract was filtered and the PGA was then evaporated which took another 2 hours.

Gunk factor is average compared to my other extractions. The flavor seems advanced for such a short steeping time, compared to any straight PG extraction I've done in the past, hot or cold.

 

[Bunnykiller]

and the results are in on the hot and cold steeped McClelland M27 3 Cherry.

Cold steeped M27 24 days room temp PGA
Hot steeped M27 24 hrs 130F PGA in crockpot on warm setting

Both extracts were reduced to aprox. 20% of original volume after initial filtering in crockpot lid off on high 150F
after reduction, they were filtered again thru pleated coffie filters

both reductions were mixed with equal volumes of VG to stabilize, concentrate is transparent but dark.
Arouma is heavy with cherry in both samples, the cold steep has a "brighter" note to it than the warmed extract, but the warmed ext. has a more earthy note to the tobacco.
In general, the warm extract has a deeper body to it, the cold a lighter but still intense smell ummm lets call it an octave higher

took both concentrates and made a set of 20/80 mix ( C/VG) to test for vaping didnt add nic, want to taste the mixes.

The warm version is smooth, a bit earthy/lightly grassy ( chlorophyl??), the cherry is a mild flavor but quite prominant, not a tart cherry flavor, reminds me of fresh ripe cherries that have been "saw-tayed" ( my french is terrible ) the tobacco flavor is smooth and has a toasted nut hint to it...

The cold version is... very nice cherry pops in this one, very noticable cherry up front. The cherry is "lively", the grassy aspect is missing in this one, tobacco flavor is smooth and still has a nutty aspect to it but seems to be "less roasted/toasted" flavored.
Im almost considering on actually smoking a bit of the tobacco to compare it to the extracts....

Seems the cold extract brings out the bright side of the flavors and warm/hot has a tendancy to bring out the "heavy side" of the tobacco.

I starting to wonder if the heating during reduction changes flavors in the extract.... next experiment, reduction without heat above room temp. Maybe a cookie sheet and a muffin fan, broad expanse evaporation method.... its a thought

Im really liking this cold extract sample/mix...

 

[Bunnykiller]

Ive left the bottles alone for a while and Im starting to see a tad bit of oil form around the edge of the air/liquid line in the bottle of warm/hot extract but not in the cold extract bottle.....
Im wondering if the heated extract pulls more oils that can be dissolved in the PGA and can stay dissolved once added to VG thus lending to the heavier/earthy "texture" that Im getting in it. Since Im not seeing oil formation in the cold extract and the flavors are more crisp/brighter, makes me wonder if the lack of oils is the reason for this. Logically it would seem that the oils do create the heaviness.

Think Ill make a 10ml "blend" of both and see what happens there, if we get the best characteristics of both....
I do like the heavier toasted nut flavor of the heated extract and the bright cherry aspects of the cold version...

I like both batches quite a bit just dont care for the grassy hint that is showing up in the heated extract....

gonna go mix a batch BBL.....

 

[Bunnykiller]

Im back.... first off always add VG to your concentrates boy that was an experience

mixed 1.5ml of each concentrate into 8ml of VG for around 11 ml total
suprizingly, the mixed cold/heated has some really interesting aspects. The grassyness has dropped down by quite a bit, not so distracting as before. The cherry has become ( for a lack of words) broad spectrumed, it has the brightness and smooth texture now. the tobacco side is a tad heavy, kind of weird... Im getting a slight fishyness, probably need more VG....

ok added 5ml more of VG, fishyness is gone and a sweeter texture/mouthcoat has shown up. Much more pleasant
Now this is interesting, I closed down the airflow to make it a bit warmer on the draw and the flavor intensified even more so.
Its good, not quite perfect, very vapable but not an ADV, could become overwhelming after a couple of hours....
Going to put this one on the aging shelf for a week or 2 and revisit then.... hopefully it gets better

 

[boomerdude]

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the juice after it has steeped for a month or so, if you have any left by then. I am being continuously surprised at the change in taste of extracted juices over time, especially cigar extracts. Changes are going on even after three months.

Samuel Gawith Balkan Flake tastes very good after just one week of steeping, I've been vaping it most of the day, which is unusual for me.

The tobacco was added to the PG/PGA solvent (2 parts PG to 1 part PGA), and heated in a warm water bath in a sealed container for 4 hours at 50C. The extract was filtered and the PGA was then evaporated which took another 2 hours.

Gunk factor is average compared to my other extractions. The flavor seems advanced for such a short steeping time, compared to any straight PG extraction I've done in the past, hot or cold.

 

[Ian444]

Boomer, I hope to have some left after at least 2 months. I agree about the cigars, some cigars I did in PG (some hot, some cold) took at least 10 weeks for the character to develop.

I also did a Full Virginia Flake (at the same time as the Balkan Flake) which I am familiar with, using the same method.

This method I used is a slight variation of Dougiestyle's method mentioned here and in other posts on the forum.

 

[Ian444]

Here's a little calculator I did in Excel. Might be useful for a few peeps, encouraging even, to see how little it can cost to DIY...
Any probs let me know. There is no password so you can unprotect it and modify it if you need/want to.

View attachment NET cost calc.xls

ETA - forgot to mention what it does. It works out the cost per ml (including shipping costs) of PG/VG, nicotine and extract so you can really see what your NET ejuices cost to make. For me it was a pleasant surprise, even with high shipping costs into and within Australia.

 

[capetocuba]

I extracted Manitou organic for a month soaked in PG. Have made 4 x 30ml bottles together with a host of Mt Baker flavours, steeping now, look forward to testing.

 

[Ian444]

I see you have some nice equipment for minimal maintenance vaping too

Hope that Manitou turns out great, my extracts so far all get better over a 2 month period, so this thread can roll pretty slow while everyones' juices are steeping at an equally slow pace. Definitely worth the wait though, I have given away over 90% of my commercial juices and extracts, the ones I have left are for historical interest only.

 

[boomerdude]

Full Virginia Flake is one of the few Varietals I like vaping by itself. With Stoved Virginia it is a really good vape.

Boomer, I hope to have some left after at least 2 months. I agree about the cigars, some cigars I did in PG (some hot, some cold) took at least 10 weeks for the character to develop.

I also did a Full Virginia Flake (at the same time as the Balkan Flake) which I am familiar with, using the same method.

This method I used is a slight variation of Dougiestyle's method mentioned here and in other posts on the forum.

 

[Ian444]

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the juice after it has steeped for a month or so, if you have any left by then. I am being continuously surprised at the change in taste of extracted juices over time, especially cigar extracts. Changes are going on even after three months.

There has not been a lot of change, its stronger, for both extractions (the other one was Full Virginia Flake). Definitely a fast and effective extraction method.
I used a variation of this method.

Samuel Gawith Balkan Flake tastes very good after just one week of steeping, I've been vaping it most of the day, which is unusual for me.

The tobacco was added to the PG/PGA solvent (2 parts PG to 1 part PGA), and heated in a warm water bath in a sealed container for 4 hours at 50C. The extract was filtered and the PGA was then evaporated which took another 2 hours.

Gunk factor is average compared to my other extractions. The flavor seems advanced for such a short steeping time, compared to any straight PG extraction I've done in the past, hot or cold.

 

[Bunnykiller]

started a new extract... a spiced rum, lite rum, golden cavendish with burley and virginia flake... doing it in PGA @ 140F for ehhh 24 - 36 hrs. Smells wonderful so far...

 

[Str8vision]

started a new extract... a spiced rum, lite rum, golden cavendish with burley and virginia flake... doing it in PGA @ 140F for ehhh 24 - 36 hrs. Smells wonderful so far...

I haven't tried heat assisted PGA macerations, let us know how it turns out.

 

[Ian444]

I would think 4 to 6 hours would be plenty. Don't forget to keep an eye on the liquid level!