Great info, thanks for the reply!
Edit: I bet price and not purity issues is why vergin vapor doesn't use organic vg...
You said NOW is palm and not soy AFAIK... if that can be determined for sure, it sounds like a winner to me. Why do you believe it is palm?
On a change of subject, what flavor concentrates do you personally trust/use? I have flavorings from 3 of the big 4 companies, and I thinks they all taste like strait-up chemicals. I refuse to
vape them. Except for the ones I got from Nature's Flavors in an attempt to avoid the chemically taste, some of those I like, but it seems some of those contain diacetyl even though they are organic flavors...?
Finally, if cinnamon and other spices can be lung irritants, then ginger could be also? The gingerbread from NF was/is my alltime favorite vape, but I started getting crazy lung funk when I vaped it, would cough up tons of the stuff... Haven't had a problem since I switched back to Boba's, but it's really sad since I loved it so.
Thanks for taking them time to help us all out Kurt!
I think it is palm because it has a picture of a palm frond on it, and palm and soy are the primary veg sources for VG, mostly palm. You can make it from any veg oil at all. I have taught a lab that makes it...well, actually it is the
other product of oil hydrolysis we were after: biofuel. Veg oil is a triglyceride. The glycerol part (glycerin part) is attached to long chain fatty acid parts. Treat this will NaOH and it reacts to break the two parts apart. The fatty acid part then becomes biofuel, and the glycerin part becomes, well, glycerin. So the whole glycerin industry is intimately involved with the biofuel industry, and palm oil fatty acids make good biofuel.
Diacetyl is found in butter. It is much of what gives butter its flavor. Plenty of organic butter out there. So the presence of diacetyl does not preclude being organic, anymore than does cinnamaldehyde (hot cinnamon flavor). Poison ivy can be organically grown. You can raise king cobras without artificial food. Says nothing of their threat to humans. Organic does not necessarily equate to "good for you", it just indicates criteria of production.
Not sure about the ginger, but if that juice bothered your lungs,
something in it was not good for you. I love French toast, and REALLY loved Capella's French Toast flavor. But there is too much cinnamon in it for me, and over time it will give me problems. does mean french toast per se is a problem.
These days my favorite flavors are Capella's Cappuccino and Flavor Art Tiramisu. I do not know the ingredients, but they may have some custard notes, although I'm not having any issues that I know of. Capellas does not use the most popular custard note, diacetyl, but I know that their Vanilla Custard has another one, acetylpropionate. Custard notes are "dicarbonyl" compounds (means nothing without knowing organic chemistry), and there are several besides diacetyl. perfumer's apprentice tells you which flavors have custard notes, and I would say their flavors are in general the easiest on the system. The two I mentioned I'm using now are not TPA, but perhaps next week I'll make some TPA juices for a changed. Just really love the Capella Cappuccino and FA Tiramisu, and they don't make me cough or give me a headache, mouth sores, dry throat, achy lungs, etc.
For commercial preflavored juices, I really like ecigexpress's tobaccos. They are simple, delicious, and cause no problems for me. Would like to get the flavorings, and I think Tim sells them, but I have plenty of the juices, so maybe later.
For unflavored vaping, as odd as it seems given the high drama of last Fall, I like Box Elder the best. Really, I do. For DIY I like a somewhat peppery but without any flavor itself nic. RTS is that. For vaping unflavored juice, I like a sharp nic bite, and BE just does it for me. If I could get TW unflavored in VG, I would be so on it, since it is the right nic flavor for me. Others tend to be a bit aromatic/pungent by themselves. Vermont Vapor VG nic is another excellent one for DIY or unflavored.
The nice thing about being the person that ran many tests of BE nic for people was that they sent me a lot of BE nic! Once I had the nic level known, it is perfectly good, and still one of my favorites. BTW that whole thing seems to have been solved, and well.
