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[CMD-Ky]

For myself, I look to the government as my parent with only good intentions for me. I will follow its dictates because those who drift to governmental employment are the best and the brightest that we, as a society, have to offer. You know it is true, you see the fruits of their thought and deed daily.

I care deeply about what my fellowman/fellowwoman/fellowwhatever thinks of me and of my behavior. I like to follow the dictates of the crowd because in the crowd there is wisdom. I like wisdom, don't you?

Allow me to make a counter-argument:

Why should I -- or any of us -- care what the rest of society -- that "democratic" majority who either actively or passively supports the laws and regulations that would make us "criminals" -- thinks? They're not my parents, and I am not a child. I don't need their "approval" to live my life as I see fit.

 

[CMD-Ky]

 

[JCinFLA]

There was a big stink up North Central during/after the last 'cane 'cause FPL wouldn't let homeowners run their units even though some neighborhoods had no power for weeks.
Something nonsense about electrocuting linemen.

Here, when a crew came to my rural neighborhood to fix/replace downed lines and poles, 6 days after Irma...they used some electronic device to test the lines. They could tell if any neighbors had those big generators working or not. If they did have them going...they told them they'd have to shut them off so they could work on the lines. Supervisor told me they couldn't work on lines without shutting them off because of dangerous backfeed from them. That wasn't FPL, but was our small local power company. Nobody said a thing about them though, until the crew was actually here to do their work.

 

[listopencil]

What if pigs could fly. We'd have to wash our cars way more often, that's what. And carry strong umbrellas.

Bacon drones. Then we'd have bacon drones.

 

[vapdivrr]

Wow. ....

Well I think hypotheticals are kind of silly, honestly. If my choice was no vaping period, of course I'd smoke. I was only able to STOP smoking BECAUSE of vaping.

I also don't care for the very QUESTION, I don't CARE to inform the FDA Ahead OF TIME how much money they would get back in their COFFERS.

SO, my non hypothetical answer would be, I WILL continue to advance the vaping CHARGE, I WILL continue to vape even MORE fervently than before, and etc.

Because it happens to be true and for god's sakes, EVEN MORE do not answer this question realistically because OF COURSE many vapers would return to vaping.

The lottery's slogan is, "You can't win, if you don't play."

This VAPING THREAD Sloan appears, "If you play, you will LOSE."

I don't like them odds, frankly.

Pfff. (Which somehow seems to me to be the most insulting thing I can say to a thread like this, without, like, using a censored word etc. SO PFFFF, say I! DON'T MAKE ME an FDA statistic over a darned HYPOTEHTICAL.

Anna

You really don't think it's a pertinent question? You don't think people who are potentially looking in to vaping want to know how successful it is? Not sure why you wouldn't think there is a curiosity from new vapors to think, how long can I vape before I could maybe quit from vaping ? That imo is a valid question. On top of that, your making me look like I'm doing something against vaping, while 99 percent of these responses are geared towards skirting a hypothetical question of "if vaping became illegal " and ways around it.....seriously

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[HazyShades]

Here, when a crew came to my rural neighborhood to fix/replace downed lines and poles, 6 days after Irma...they used some electronic device to test the lines. They could tell if any neighbors had those big generators working or not. If they did have them going...they told them they'd have to shut them off so they could work on the lines. Supervisor told me they couldn't work on lines without shutting them off because of dangerous backfeed from them. That wasn't FPL, but was our small local power company. Nobody said a thing about them though, until the crew was actually here to do their work.

My understanding is that a properly installed unit that comes on after x amount of time without electric company power
disconnects from the power company input automatically in order to avoid said feedback.
I suspect some folks install their own units in order to avoid the exorbitant installation fees and bypass some of the required safety features..
The problem is that in the situation I mentioned many of the units were properly installed
but FPL blanket banned their use anyway.
This reminded me of a guy in Hialeah who had a windmill up and FPL came and padlocked the turbine
even though federal law says FPL is required to buy any surplus electricity produced by the turbines.
That's why I pipe dream about getting completely off the grid...except most municipalities
won't issue a certificate of occupancy if you're not hooked up to their (tax) monopoly

 

[billthetroll]

O I'd 100% go back to smoking of the government bans it.just keeping it 100% I couldn't stop without vaping so I don't think i could live a cig free life without vaping.the government has the best interest for themselves, if vaping is losing them money then vaping has to go.they don't do what's best for the people they do whats best for there pockets.

 

[Myk]

unless the gub'min turns off the sun..

Well...it does cause cancer...

In this hypothetical senario, forget about why it wouldn't be possible and just think if you would or wouldn't smoke again.

But I can't forget about the why. The why dictates what I would do.

You can't just wave a magic wand to make vaping and the knowledge of vaping go away. There is a reason vaping would be impossible in your hypothetical scenario.

If there are no medicines I'm most likely smoking.

 

[HazyShades]

Well...it does cause cancer...

We can always vape chemtrails...surely those are as harmless as the wise bureaucrats
who control how fast the flat earth spins.

Life causes cancer..we should kill it

 

[stols001]

You know, I'm in the real world, I grew up, so no I don't find the invention of purely fictional scenarios to matter one bit.

If someone wants to figure out if they would stop vaping, and start smoking, they should practice.

Those of us who already KNOW have stockpiled.

Movies and you know books and stuff are all more interesting and worthwhile than this question.

I think it, (like any and all purely imaginary hypothetical questions are worthless, UNLESS they are actual valid hypotheses actually followed up with a real world proposal to prove or disprove the question) is absolutely worthless.

If you want to find out how long you can quit vaping while not smoking, go practice.

Don't sit around mentally .........ing and imagining what one might do, GO DO SOMETHING. BE it test your hypothesis, stockpile, whatever.

And yes, the people who are ACTUALLY sort of saying what they HAVE done to prepare are the only ones with anything worthwhile to contribute but AS ALWAYS happens, someone comes along and says, "NO answer it in my imaginary world, where ONLY I CAN SAY WHAT HAPPENS and ALL vape items vanish somewhere, AND YOU HAVE TO PICK SMOKING OR NOT SMOKING."

Why in the name of God would I want to live in THAT world when there is already a REAL ONE. Jeez.

I will say, hypothetically, if I wind up in Dante's Inferno for this answer, there will be someone sitting next to me going, "I wonder what it's like upstairs, do you think if we had a ladder, some string, and gravity defying boots we could get up there?" Yep, that'll be how it ends.

Anna

 

[HazyShades]

Why in the name of God would I want to live in THAT world when there is already a REAL ONE. Jeez.

God?
Geez Anna, I thought you were down on hypothesis...
A "real world"??? What is wrong with you woman?

God, by all attempts to prove or disprove is an anthropomorphic projection, and excuse for misbehavior..
Reality is not.
We exist in an unreal matrix...take the red pill and pass the cinnamon vape or God might punish you...
OBEY!
God Bless you ...
Om...

 

[vapdivrr]

The OP'S question is also hypothetical. I'm not sure why everyone is reading more into this and I just thought it was a good question to help new vapors who are curious about how successful vaping is or could be...I get asked this alot by smokers and non smokers who are just interested in how vaping works, they are always asking me how long have I been vaping and has it worked to a point that if I quit, would I go back to smoking? I'm certainly not going to answer them by saying this and that....seems I hit a nerve or something

Well...it does cause cancer...



But I can't forget about the why. The why dictates what I would do.

You can't just wave a magic wand to make vaping and the knowledge of vaping go away. There is a reason vaping would be impossible in your hypothetical scenario.

If there are no medicines I'm most likely smoking.

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[stols001]

I'm not saying I never get asked it, I do. And I answer, "I very much doubt I could which is why there is this thing called stockpiling, and if I magically become a NON vaper, well the worst thing that will happen is that some nic will be gifted somewhere,"

There was no nerve, it's just, you know, the idea that it can somehow be answered in some universe where I HAD no access to nic. I DO have access to nic, so that is what I report. I also report that I have SEEN how long I can go without vaping and the answer, for me, is about 4 hours and it's not easy."

If that changes, my answer will change. It's the sort of 'let's lift away ALL VAPE STUFF, but oooh somewhere back in my hypothesis you DID vape, it's just all vape gear has been transported away by a giant magnet," that's where stuff really gets murky.

I'm sure everyone's need of nic is different, so when I get asked, I answer, and usually suggest (as I did on the thread) some personal .practice to find out.

It's really the only way to know for sure. The rest is just all speculation and doesn't really "answer" anything. Etc.

Anna

 

[Myk]

You know, I'm in the real world, I grew up, so no I don't find the invention of purely fictional scenarios to matter one bit.

I don't mind, it let's a good prepper know where their holes are. Such as me needing a solar charger or two.
But that requires complete realistic scenarios.

Our big tornado was 2-3 years after I switched. I was only without power for hours then but there have been others that left me without for a week.

For real prepper prepping I don't know if my med has a shelf life to get it to the next dose and there's no way to have even a single extra dose on hand if it does. They're not going to hand over a bag with a bunch of biohazard warnings on it. So I'm just basically screwed in any prepper scenario. It wouldn't matter if I smoked or not, I'm not going to want to be alive for long.

seems I hit a nerve or something

Only hair pulling frustration because you insist the question be answered your yes or no way when people answer with their prepping solutions without enough information to answer the question.

 

[vapdivrr]

Ridiculous. ....your telling me if a potential vapor or just someone who was curious and seen you vaping had asked you how long you have been vaping and do you feel it has worked,and that if you quit would still go back to smoking, you would answer in this child like manor ? Or would you actually talk to them and answer?

You know, I'm in the real world, I grew up, so no I don't find the invention of purely fictional scenarios to matter one bit.

If someone wants to figure out if they would stop vaping, and start smoking, they should practice.

Those of us who already KNOW have stockpiled.

Movies and you know books and stuff are all more interesting and worthwhile than this question.

I think it, (like any and all purely imaginary hypothetical questions are worthless, UNLESS they are actual valid hypotheses actually followed up with a real world proposal to prove or disprove the question) is absolutely worthless.

If you want to find out how long you can quit vaping while not smoking, go practice.

Don't sit around mentally .........ing and imagining what one might do, GO DO SOMETHING. BE it test your hypothesis, stockpile, whatever.

And yes, the people who are ACTUALLY sort of saying what they HAVE done to prepare are the only ones with anything worthwhile to contribute but AS ALWAYS happens, someone comes along and says, "NO answer it in my imaginary world, where ONLY I CAN SAY WHAT HAPPENS and ALL vape items vanish somewhere, AND YOU HAVE TO PICK SMOKING OR NOT SMOKING."

Why in the name of God would I want to live in THAT world when there is already a REAL ONE. Jeez.

I will say, hypothetically, if I wind up in Dante's Inferno for this answer, there will be someone sitting next to me going, "I wonder what it's like upstairs, do you think if we had a ladder, some string, and gravity defying boots we could get up there?" Yep, that'll be how it ends.

Anna

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[HazyShades]

Otay...I'll try to be serious.
I quit smoking 2 years before I began vaping. For me vaping is not a smoking cessation tool.
I saw somebody vaping and was curious about the neat manner of ingesting nicotine.
I think nicotine is a tool..I only use tools when I need to use them
not because the tool needs me to use it.

If, hypothetically, the gub'min, an act of nature or a hypothetical God (in whom/which I believe, BTW)
were to prohibit my legal use of vaping as a tool
I would improvise because experience has shown me that necessity is indeed the mother of invention
and nobody's laws including God's have stopped me from being a mother and using tools when I need to.
I have a prehensile thumb and therefore I vape if and when I want to.

 

[Coyote628]

Bacon drones. Then we'd have bacon drones.

I can dig it.

 

[r77r7r]

I haven't the foggiest notion of what I'd do if I couldn't vape. I'm a hardcore addict tho. The couple short times that I quit booze and weed, I went back harder and heavier.
I don't wish to smoke but I didn't want to when I was and still did.
I imagine that I'd be praying often, so that's good.

 

[Myk]

Ridiculous. ....your telling me if a potential vapor or just someone who was curious and seen you vaping had asked you how long you have been vaping and do you feel it has worked,and that if you quit would still go back to smoking, you would answer in this child like manor ? Or would you actually talk to them and answer?

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Talking? You mean like asking what scenario caused that to happen so I can know whether or not I'd smoke in that situation?

"If you can't vape." Well I can and I will. I've prepped. That's your answer.
18mg was part of my treatment for 3-4 years. You can be sure I was set up to vape for a long time. On present meds I don't need nicotine but it helps.

 

[Mowgli]

Vape

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