They can't stop me from making my own.
The cat got out of the bag a long time ago.
Here, try this.
http://www.howder.com/dena_howto.pdf
The cat got out of the bag a long time ago.
Here, try this.
http://www.howder.com/dena_howto.pdf
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I disagree, now while the "Dena" is a bit complicated, there are much easier mods to build.
I Hope if someone wants to Quit Smoking, that it Never Comes to that.
LOL
But with some of the People we have in Government, maybe it will?
I think vapers should sue Juul too, because Juul ruined it for us.
I have a real problem with the phrase "youth vaping epidemic". Scare tactics is all it is. The bottom line is vaping takes customers cash away from tobacco companies. There has been a "youth SMOKING epidemic" from the first day people smoked tobacco. Nearly every lifelong smoker (tobacco customer) started smoking at an early age. Where was all the outrage then? There wasn't. Its a fact smoking tobacco kills. But that is not what the government is concerned with. Tobacco companies pay the government a LOT of money to keep their products on the market. We all know this and I know I'm just preaching to the choir.
I agree, except for one point:
It's not tobacco companies anymore. It's taking customers' cash from whomever the leaders of the 2 entrenched political parties have decided should "win", with those leaders having a financial and political interest in the outcome.
"Big Tobacco", which I like to throw around at times myself, is only the smoke-and-mirrors boogieman, like those old cartoons where Bugs Bunny or some other character sees an ant in a funhouse mirror and thinks it's a HUGE ant. Big Tobacco is still big, but not the beast that it once was. It's reputation is such that it is easily thrown out as the monster when, in fact, politicians have always been. Without them, invested in, and running cover for Big Tobacco, there would have never been Big Tobacco. Now, they have their other investments...
This is what happens when you hate the opposition so much, that holding your own accountable, even if it means a temporary setback, is unthinkable.
and from pharmaceutical companies.
Both big US cigarette makers have invested in vaping. They're everyone's favorite corporate villain -- and they deserve it in large measure -- but i don't believe they're vaping's greatest foe right now. One of them, as they surely want smaller competition eliminated, but not the worst, imo.
Plus what @FoolishMortal wrote as i was typing this.
50 × 40 million is 2 billion... because one else answered. lol.
I don't think even the chance for fda approval is worth that...
I don't think even the chance for fda approval is worth that...
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I was only off by a wee bit.
I added three more zero's making it 20 quadrillion.
that's okay, when I first calculated it I did 50 million × 40 million because million was in my head... lol. I caught it and quickly changed my answer hahaha
What is 50 X 40 Million?
Correct answer is: Enough to make the war against vaping a profitable enterprise.
Correct answer is: Enough to make the war against vaping a profitable enterprise.
Too cool! We used to joke "An Okie can fix almost anything with electrical tape and baling wire"I disagree, now while the "Dena" is a bit complicated, there are much easier mods to build.
"Tobacco control groups are hopeful that the addition of RICO charges will force Juul and Altria to agree to a large multi-state settlement similar to the 1998 Master Settlement Agreement (MSA) between 46 state attorneys general and the major tobacco companies. As part of the MSA, tobacco manufacturers agreed to pay states billions of dollars yearly to avoid further litigation."
gotta replace that tobacco bond money
...so that won't happen if they force Juul into bankruptcy or if the FDA does not approve their PMTAs...
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And the Only way that JUUL could emerge Out of Bankruptcy is to have Decent Sales of a FDA PMTA-ed JUUL. And does that really seem Possible?
Chairman Krishnamoorthi & Senator Durbin Urge FDA To Review New And Disturbing Evidence From North Carolina That JUUL Deliberately Marketed High-Nicotine Products to American Youth
Sounds more like these TC Groups are just Blowing Smoke when it comes to the Possibility of a JUUL type MSA.
Because the way JUUL is going, it kinda makes the Hindenburg look like a Minor Mishap.
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"tobacco control groups".
Think about how messed up that is. They're not trying to control people. No sir. It's "tobacco" they're controlling.
Sir, it appears that tobacco is out of control!
Oh no! Tobacco has gotten loose again!? Why are you standing there?! Git em!
"____ control" is just another way of saying "We want to control YOU, but we'll blame it on ____."
The saddest types are those kind souls who enlist in such causes, but don't realize this. They neither do good nor profit.
Prohibition never cured any ills. It only shuffled profits about.
Think about how messed up that is. They're not trying to control people. No sir. It's "tobacco" they're controlling.
Sir, it appears that tobacco is out of control!
Oh no! Tobacco has gotten loose again!? Why are you standing there?! Git em!
"____ control" is just another way of saying "We want to control YOU, but we'll blame it on ____."
The saddest types are those kind souls who enlist in such causes, but don't realize this. They neither do good nor profit.
Prohibition never cured any ills. It only shuffled profits about.
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