What IS their problem????

[Diogenes]

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@Diogenes:
And I was expecting this kind of response from you.
There is a big difference between "all males" and "cowardly males who insult a woman, because they would not dare to insult a man".



Do I now? Or do I dislike cowards who try to pick on those whom they perceive (!) as being weaker than themselves?

Fact is: that guy walked up to a lady with intent to intimidate her. Fact is: that guy walked up to a lady and used an expletive.

Some people might enjoy such a "wonderful show of strength". Others do not.
Suit yourself.

Oh, you know what this guy's intent was, huh? And maybe you could tell me the winning numbers to the Powerball, it's over $200 million this week.

Fact is: you have no clue what this guys intent was, simply because YOU WERE NOT THERE.

Fact is: if the roles were reversed, and a woman walked up to a man and used an expletive, you probably wouldn't have said one word.

When you say that you dislike cowards who try to pick on weaker people, you make no distinction as to which gender the weaker person is. But in your rants prior to that comment, you say time and time again that women are the victims, they are the weaker people in this equation, and MEN are the ones who are the assailants. If you stuck to being gender neutral, and vilifying all aggressors, not just the men, you'd come off a lot better. Instead, you come off as a bitter, scorned woman who, I believe, hates all men. Your comment about the skirt being too short, the woman asked for it, etc only backs up my beliefs.

 

[gingersnaps]

@zoiDman:

I do not know your gender. But let me tell you this much:
I am a lady. A woman. A person of female sex. And in my life I have been approached - repeatedly - by cowardly males with intent to insult and verbally attack. Because I am "only a woman". Well, they were in for a big surprise. A very big surprise. I do not think highly of cowards approaching a lady with intent to insult and intimidate. And those cowards all left with their tails between their legs.

And I can very well understand what the OP is telling. Because such things have happened to me. Without the least provocation.

Like I said, I do not know your gender.
But as a woman, I have had similar experiences.

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Diogenes:

and here comes another guy blaming the victim.
Maybe she was wearing her skirt too short as well?

I totally agree. I've had the same experiences. Not all men are this way but there are a lot who see women as something they can easily dump on and disrespect for any dumb unrelated reason.
Who knows maybe they are mad most of us are independent and don't take to being treated like dogs anymore so they have to think they are putting us in our place. But that's a rant for another day.

 

[zoiDman]

Then they're incompetent. There is no alternative; if you're trying to design a fair and reasonable policy, and your best inquiry assumes that the policy is already reasonable, then you're either arrogant or you're irrational, and thus unqualified for the task.


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The Real World is never Black or White. There are many factors in making an e-Cigarette policy.

If you Can Not see this, than there Isn't a reason to discuss this, is there?

 

[Chas F.]

Oh, you know what this guy's intent was, huh? And maybe you could tell me the winning numbers to the Powerball, it's over $200 million this week.

Fact is: you have no clue what this guys intent was, simply because YOU WERE NOT THERE.

Fact is: if the roles were reversed, and a woman walked up to a man and used an expletive, you probably wouldn't have said one word.

When you say that you dislike cowards who try to pick on weaker people, you make no distinction as to which gender the weaker person is. But in your rants prior to that comment, you say time and time again that women are the victims, they are the weaker people in this equation, and MEN are the ones who are the assailants. If you stuck to being gender neutral, and vilifying all aggressors, not just the men, you'd come off a lot better. Instead, you come off as a bitter, scorned woman who, I believe, hates all men. Your comment about the skirt being too short, the woman asked for it, etc only backs up my beliefs.

Read the OP...apparently getting in someones face to vent was his goal. And now you presume to know what Anja would do if gender was reversed? Classic...

 

[Anjaffm]

Read the OP...apparently getting in someones face to vent was his goal. And now you presume to know what Anja would do if gender was reversed? Classic...

Thank you very much, dear

Fact is: a man walked up to a woman and attempted to intimidate her. That is what the OP stated. And the OP is a woman. The woman whom this thing happened to, as a matter of fact.

I always "love" those "and if? and if? " questions In my mother tongue we have a saying "And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bus"

 

[Fulgurant]

The Real World is never Black or White. There are many factors in making an e-Cigarette policy.

If you Can Not see this, than there Isn't a reason to discuss this, is there?

Their question was a transparent and anti-rational trap. And you repeated it here not only as if it were a valid question, but as if it were the question to end all debate.

If you cannot see that, then you're absolutely right: there's no point in discussing the matter with you further. Vaguely patronizing appeals to relativism are unresponsive.

 

[Chas F.]

Thank you very much, dear

Fact is: a man walked up to a woman and attempted to intimidate her. That is what the OP stated. And the OP is a woman.

I always "love" those "and if? and if? " questions In my mother tongue we have a saying "And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bus"

Just protecting the weaker sex darlin'!

rofl! That's classic...I gotta remember that.

 

[zoiDman]

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Whether the people in question were dyed-in-the-wool ANTZ themselves, or whether they were just ignorant tools of the ANTZ ultimately doesn't matter. The point is that people in authority should be extremely cautious and thoughtful when they consider restricting the behavior of individuals. From what I've seen personally, and from what you wrote on this subject particularly, it seems to me that petty fuctionaries up and down the ladder are far too quick to exert what power they have.

BTW - It is sort of Comical to read this seeing that I Never stated what Policy was Enacted.

 

[Anjaffm]

I totally agree. I've had the same experiences. Not all men are this way but there are a lot who see women as something they can easily dump on and disrespect for any dumb unrelated reason.
Who knows maybe they are mad most of us are independent and don't take to being treated like dogs anymore so they have to think they are putting us in our place. But that's a rant for another day.

precisely.
And the three of us (OP, you, me) will not be the only women who have experienced something like that.

And some guy seeing a woman as an easy target for nastiness was in fact what the OP told about.

Just protecting the weaker sex darlin'!

rofl! That's classic...I gotta remember that.

*giggles*
Support is always appreciated

 

[Hill]

Do not all these groups support the problem behavior? Do you support them? Do you support the initiation of the use of force upon an individual to achieve a goal, a gov't policy, a social 'good'?

I fully support the use of force to prevent my freedoms from being taken away.

They say the Tree of Liberty must be nourished from time to time with the blood of patriots. I think we're headed in that direction quickly.

 

[Myrany]

I'm saying if someone gets confrontational, simply defuse the situation by putting your device away. Maybe even say "I'm sorry".

You may have to eat a little crow, but you will do a lot for the community.

Respectfully NO

I will NOT apologize for vaping.
I vape in my home, I vape in my car. I vape outside. When an ANTZ walks right up to from 15 ft away just to do the fake cough and complain it is on them not me. I will neither put it away nor apologize.

Nor will I hide in my home to vape like I am some sort of criminal. I had enough of that crap with smoking. I will not allow myself to be painted with the same brush.

 

[Uma]

I'm right with you Anja. You go girl!!

Why is stealth vaping a problem for ANTZ? Is it because a person is enjoying a moment of intimacy? Is it because a person is re establishing a calm nerve? Just what is it about stealth vaping that riles an ANTZ so badly? I, for one, can only conclude it is the puritanical cheek clench. Surely another persons well being is just as important as another's. Mutual respect can go a long way.

Why is regular vaping, outdoors, or in a non crowded area, a problem for ANTZ? Is it because the ANTZ is tempted? I hear them complain that others think it looks "cool" to see the sigh of relaxation and contentment. Is it because they fear temptation of relaxation and contentment, focus and intimacy? Is it because they hate others who find a moment of pleasure? I can only conclude it is the puritanical cheek clench upon witnessing another's happiness.

Why do ANTZ ridicule and provoke anger or shame in others? Is it because it makes them feel powerful if they get a reaction? Are they so lacking in emotion themselves, they crave an emotional reaction from others? I can only conclude they need a life.

Why must the ANTZ constantly accuse others of being rude & obnoxious? I can only conclude it's because it's the only behavior they themselves can relate to.

Arguement a like these in this thread, are not arguements at all. They are accusations that require defending. Why do ANTZ need such attention?

Ps. The man in the booth next door? He could have politely informed the lady that the vapor was dissipating 1 second too late, causing a moments discomfort and he would be ever so appreciative if she would take care to aim away from his booth.
Mutual respect.

 

[34 Hour Reset]

Thank you very much, dear

Fact is: a man walked up to a woman and attempted to intimidate her. That is what the OP stated. And the OP is a woman. The woman whom this thing happened to, as a matter of fact.

Nobody disputed the OP was a female, and the jerk in the story to be male.

We're talking about your emphasis on the gender of the two, and for how you know for certain, somehow, that this man was preying on her because of her sex. Then all the "victim" talk, along with things like "maybe skirt was too high, too", and saying you know men like this, yadda yadda yadda.

 

[progg]

I fully support the use of force to prevent my freedoms from being taken away.

They say the Tree of Liberty must be nourished from time to time with the blood of patriots. I think we're headed in that direction quickly.

My question involved the initiation of its use to restrict individual Liberty. You speak of self-defense. We have no argument.

 

[SimianSteam]

You'd really expect a better class of people at a flea market.

 

[Anjaffm]

I'm right with you Anja. You go girl!!

Why is stealth vaping a problem for ANTZ? Is it because a person is enjoying a moment of intimacy? Is it because a person is re establishing a calm nerve? Just what is it about stealth vaping that riles an ANTZ so badly? I, for one, can only conclude it is the puritanical cheek clench. Surely another persons well being is just as important as another's. Mutual respect can go a long way.

Why is regular vaping, outdoors, or in a non crowded area, a problem for ANTZ? Is it because the ANTZ is tempted? I hear them complain that others think it looks "cool" to see the sigh of relaxation and contentment. Is it because they fear temptation of relaxation and contentment, focus and intimacy? Is it because they hate others who find a moment of pleasure? I can only conclude it is the puritanical cheek clench upon witnessing another's happiness.

Why do ANTZ ridicule and provoke anger or shame in others? Is it because it makes them feel powerful if they get a reaction? Are they so lacking in emotion themselves, they crave an emotional reaction from others? I can only conclude they need a life.

Why must the ANTZ constantly accuse others of being rude & obnoxious? I can only conclude it's because it's the only behavior they themselves can relate to.

Arguement a like these in this thread, are not arguements at all. They are accusations that require defending. Why do ANTZ need such attention?

Ps. The man in the booth next door? He could have politely informed the lady that the vapor was dissipating 1 second too late, causing a moments discomfort and he would be ever so appreciative if she would take care to aim away from his booth.
Mutual respect.

great posting, Uma!

.. and it looks as if some people are feeling the need to wave their... whatever it is that they like to wave... ah well... may they enjoy it ...

 

[Fulgurant]

BTW - It is sort of Comical to read this seeing that I Never stated what Policy was Enacted.

Yes, yes, your rhetorical games are very cute. Here's a cookie.

If you had started this conversation with a straightforward account of all the relevant facts as you see them, then we could have discussed the matter like adults. But your habit of leaving us with clear implications and then dancing away from them after your not-so-oblique arguments have been refuted? That's not gonna fly.

I notice with some amusement of my own that even in this latest effort you still fail to mention what policy was ultimately enacted on the campus in question. Not that I care at this point; it's just funny that even now you can't quite bring yourself to make a strong statement of fact to refute me, even as you insinuate that I'm so wrong as to be ridiculous.

Have a good night, Zoid. I'm done.

 

[gingersnaps]

Nobody disputed the OP was a female, and the jerk in the story to be male.

We're talking about your emphasis on the gender of the two, and for how you know for certain, somehow, that this man was preying on her because of her sex. Then all the "victim" talk, along with things like "maybe skirt was too high, too", and saying you know men like this, yadda yadda yadda.

I think the chances of this guy acting as bad as he did would have been very slim if the op had been a man. Men don't tend to act like this toward each other often. Probably because they know if they approach another man with such disrespect he will likely get his ... kicked. But odds of getting his ... stomped by a woman are near nill.
He went out of his way to create the confrontation. Then ran off like a coward probably smiling to himself at how "he told her off". If it was a real issue he would have asked her to stop or stated that it bothered him and stuck around for a response.

 

[BackDoc]

thanks Simian for putting this thread in its place.......i am still laughing

 

[stevegmu]

Where were all the men at the vape booth, if the lady in question were threatened and intimidated? Were they too busy blowing clouds?