What is with the Mech Mods?

[WattWick]

Boiled down, vaping is about pushing an electric current through a resistive wire. And that is exactly what a mechanical mod is and does. No more, no less. No electronics to fiddle with or have fail on you. No wires, no solders. No chips. No displays. Push a button and have a vape.

I've said it before... but... I don't need a display to tell me I'm about to get an excellent vape. I don't need buttons to make any adjustments to an excellent vape. Especially not if such features come with a couple added inches to my setup or several new, potential point of failure.

 

[Coelli]

Just drop any vv vw mod (other than the Provari, which will survive) in water then you will understand

^^fixed that for ya.

Mechs are great; I recently got two myself (won a Surefire King from Craft Vapery and then bought a Penny mod). But everything has its place and it's really up to the OP to decide how you vape and what your needs are. For me, I like my Provaris sometimes and my mechs others. My mom loves her VTR. My neighbor is totally happy with her Vision Spinner and my old eGo Twist.

Every VV Cigarette that I've had has not lasted more than 6 months of continuous use without problems. Except the Provari V1 which lasted 1 1/2 years before the new 1.8Ohm Coils caused the circuit board to go haywire.

For $20, Provape will upgrade the chip to the new one if you still have it and want to use it again.

 

[lexalove]

Mechanicals are a great vaping device for all the reasons previous posters have mentioned:
- Small form factor compared to the equivalent regulated device
- Less moving parts therefore less to go wrong
- looks, if you appreciate beautiful engineering, machining and design
- individuality; most high end mechs have short production runs so you may not see another person with the same mod for a long while

The biggest drawback is that the vape quality will change as the battery discharges. You can install a kick that will add VW but you typically have to drop a battery size to get the kick+batt in the original tube. And of course it adds electronics that can go wrong especially if you put your battery in the wrong way

The sub-ohm argument is redundant. The new 20w and above chipsets allow sub-ohming typically down to 0.5ohm SAFELY.

Personally I use both mechs and regulated. Both have their advantages/disadvantages. At the end of the day it's horses for courses... Whichever one keeps you off the tobacco is the most important thing


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[Bad Ninja]

The sub-ohm argument is redundant. The new 20w and above chipsets allow sub-ohming typically down to 0.5ohm SAFELY.

Personally I use both mechs and regulated. Both have their advantages/disadvantages. At the end of the day it's horses for courses... Whichever one keeps you off the tobacco is the most important thing


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Limited to .5 ohms isn't where I want to be.
Not redundant at all.

I safely vape a quad coil igo at .24 from my Hades 26650.
I use a 50 amp Sony battery.
Not happenin on a VV/VW mod.
Mechs offer me advantages im just not going to find in a regulated device.

 

[Ed_C]

So, with 73.5 watts, aren't you afraid your lungs will explode from all the vapor? Next the cigarette companies are going to engineer analogs that produce more smoke just to keep up with the vapors.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

I prefer my control over my vape to be in my hands, in the way I do my build on my RBA, not in pushing buttons and menus and electronics, and I vape sub-ohm, which your regulated mods won't do. My vaping sweet spot is at .7 ohm. So I make my own mesh wicks and wind my own kanthal coils, and that way I know what I have and I don't pay some B&M or online vendor for my coils. Kanthal is cheap in 100 ft. spools and I'd rather do it myself.

Not to pick nits, but the 2 regulated MODs I own (Sigelei 20W and an EPM VW-18490 v2) will both fire .7Ω coils just fine (the Sigelei will fire down to .65Ω reliably, and the EPM down to .6Ω), as well as the two I have on order.

But your point is well taken. Neither of my existing regulated MODs will go below .6Ω, though the two I have on order (Hana Modz clone and a NES DNA30 from LittUp) will both (theoretically) fire a coil down to .3Ω (though I have heard from people in the know that .3Ω is a very generous number which really translates to .4Ω or .5Ω).

To the OP: Mech MODs are simple circuits that are completed when you press the button. It's straight battery power. It's very simple as there are no electronics to tinker with, and nothing to destroy. If you drop your MVP (or what have you), there's a good chance that unit is caput. It would taken some kind of catastrophic accident to harm a mech such that it will no longer fire.

Some are also quite beautiful. My new Akuma is exquisite in both the artistic design and the craftsmanship used to make them.

If you are even remotely interested in a mech to see what it's about, buy a good clone (Hcigar Nemesis comes to mind) and give them a shot. I had a similar mindset to yours before I bought my first clone. Now I seek out specific mech MODs, many of them in short supply and made in far away lands.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

At the end of the day it's horses for courses... Whichever one keeps you off the tobacco is the most important thing

Word.

I don't care what you vape, as long as it keeps you off of analogs.

But since we're going to vape, we might as well do it in style. Life is too short for ugly MODs.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

So, with 73.5 watts, aren't you afraid your lungs will explode from all the vapor? Next the cigarette companies are going to engineer analogs that produce more smoke just to keep up with the vapors.

No, there are many reasons, but mostly because many coils are wired such you must must use that kind of energy in order to produce enough voltage to reliably fire the coil.

A .3Ω atomizer firing at 73.5W (your number) is using 4.69V to do so. That's below what many consider to be the 5V sweet spot. At .2Ω, those same 73.5W are only using 3.83V which many consider to be far too cool of a vape (me among them, though I don't sub-Ω that low).

 

[The Ministry]

+1 to mech mods from a new mech user.

My APV's crapped out on me, so figured I needed something durable. Clone (sadly) later, and my good god, it's another experience altogether. Sadly, I now need new tanks to sit flush - Mechs bring out the OCD in me....

It's simple, smaller, and sexy (even my clone looks awesome)

Regulated APV's, whatever we're calling them these days, are great but prone to failure. I actually think my mech might take the abuse I seem to give my gear.

Battery, coil, not much else in the way. It's simplicity at it's best, and as stated, what "vaping" is if you boil it down.

 

[Bad Ninja]

So, with 73.5 watts, aren't you afraid your lungs will explode from all the vapor? Next the cigarette companies are going to engineer analogs that produce more smoke just to keep up with the vapors.

Hehe
I use it to fog a room and dissapear.
Ninjas sometimes do this to evade capture, or bad ejuice

Don't get me wrong. Regulated devices have advantages as well.
A Hanna 30 can rock a consistent vape all day.

 

[icemanistheking]

1. Reliability - I always know my mech is going to fire as long as I have it set up and adjusted correctly. As others have said too, no way to ruin it by water. If something DOES go wrong with the mech, I take comfort in the fact that I, in my nonexistent engineering expertise, can troubleshoot the problem as long as I understand on a basic level how it works.

2. Flexibility of use (i.e., no resistance restrictions, can modify if needed, often have easily adjustable contacts, both top and bottom).

3. Simplicity/no electronics - high end mech mods (I would say "all", but I recently had two lower end mechs where this didn't apply) are usually able to be completely disassembled. I enjoy seeing what makes each one tick, the different variations between each mod, and the ability to clean the devices inside and out. And when you say that mech mods are mostly the same with subtle variations OP, I would say the same thing about VV/VW devices. Many different VV/VW devices share a common chipset...i.e., the Zmax, Vamo, DNA20, or DNA30 chipsets for example. If you get two different DNA20 mods, the main difference is in the appearance, given a similar form factor or mod style, anyway. On the other hand, two mechs that look very similar often operate completely differently, usually in reference to the switch and battery contacts.

4. Sexiness - nothing better than a freshly polished mech

 

[Ed_C]

No, there are many reasons, but mostly because many coils are wired such you must must use that kind of energy in order to produce enough voltage to reliably fire the coil.

A .3Ω atomizer firing at 73.5W (your number) is using 4.69V to do so. That's below what many consider to be the 5V sweet spot. At .2Ω, those same 73.5W are only using 3.83V which many consider to be far too cool of a vape (me among them, though I don't sub-Ω that low).

I don't understand your post. We are talking about mechs and the voltage is whatever that battery is putting out. ~4.2V to start and then dropping down from there, The 73.5 watts I used was derived from the previous poster's .24 ohm build (at a starting 4.2V). ....and anyway my post was just a joke.

 

[Sirius]

I don't understand your post. We are talking about mechs and the voltage is whatever that battery is putting out. ~4.2V to start and then dropping down from there, The 73.5 watts I used was derived from the previous poster's .24 ohm build (at a starting 4.2V). ....and anyway my post was just a joke.

Lmao..I thought it was.

 

[Sirius]

So, with 73.5 watts, aren't you afraid your lungs will explode from all the vapor? Next the cigarette companies are going to engineer analogs that produce more smoke just to keep up with the vapors.

Actually the FDAs proposed regulations are to put us vapers out of business. They were way to successful in their anti smoking push and have lost the government way too much money. Buy a mech and vape on! hehe

 

[niczgreat]

So, with 73.5 watts, aren't you afraid your lungs will explode from all the vapor? Next the cigarette companies are going to engineer analogs that produce more smoke just to keep up with the vapors.

Hi Ed
There are a lot of factors influencing the heat of the vape. One of which is the Gauge of the Wire, Another is the Wick Material, finally you have Aeration. Watts doesn't tell the whole story.

For example:
I'm Vaping on a .39OHM RBA REOMIZER and sometimes on a .29 Depending on the Mod and Battery.

The thick Gauge Wire heats up slower then thinner wires so if I take a number of 2-3 second inhales the temperature never reaches the max. The Porous Ceramic Wick is stone and absorbs heat. Finally I've drilled a larger hole and am getting good aeration [Cooling].

The Vape at 55 Watts isn't hot enough to burn my lungs or mouth.

Many are making judgements based on theoretical results and not on real life experience.


Many don't understand this.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Hi Ed
There are a lot of factors influencing the heat of the vape. One of which is the Gauge of the Wire, Another is the Wick Material, finally you have Aeration. Watts doesn't tell the whole story.

For example:
I'm Vaping on a .39OHM RBA REOMIZER and sometimes on a .29 Depending on the Mod and Battery.

The thick Gauge Wire heats up slower then thinner wires so if I take a number of 2-3 second inhales the temperature never reaches the max. The Porous Ceramic Wick is stone and absorbs heat. Finally I've drilled a larger hole and am getting good aeration [Cooling].

The Vape at 55 Watts isn't hot enough to burn my lungs or mouth.

Many are making judgements based on theoretical results and not on real life experience.


Many don't understand this.

1. It was a joke.
Yes I do have a Hades and a 5 post, quad coil igo.

2. I posted that to make a point: even your DNA 30 devices fall short for some of us who like the ability to utilize more power for better vaping experiences.

3. Speculating on whether a 78w vape is "good" is totally subjective.
My "good" aint the same as your "good".

4. Stop nit picking a joke, to death.
It makes you all look like it went over your heads.



DNA 30s tremble and hide from this.

 

[Sirius]

Caravela in 18350 mode

 

[Cheflance]

I've finally ordered my first mech mod and it should be coming today. Can't wait. I've really been trying to not smoke anymore but found that the cheaper and smaller devices just don't last. The eGo's I first bought won't hold a charge very long anymore and they only fit the smaller iClear 16's or newer evod tops. Have to constantly refill and did not have a great lifespan for the wicks. So I upgraded to an iTaste SVD. Loved it at first. I could get consistent hits and found juice I truly enjoyed. I don't want to smoke anymore but don't want to give up the nicotine and the 'habit.' I just don't want to inhale dead leaves anymore. So, after dropping the SVD twice the fire button wouldn't work and it was frustrating. Ordered a new one from FT, much cheaper, and found that of course, I am having some problems with the new one after a couple of weeks. I just want to vape! I found that the VV/VW's circuitry just sucked and even after 2 SVD's and ordering a Stingray clone (so excited!) I have still spent less than I would have on a ProVari. And I now have 2 great resistance checkers in the old SVD's . I have an Aqua clone and a Kraken clone and can't wait for my first tries with them on the Stingray.

 

[lexalove]

Limited to .5 ohms isn't where I want to be.
Not redundant at all.

I safely vape a quad coil igo at .24 from my Hades 26650.
I use a 50 amp Sony battery.
Not happenin on a VV/VW mod.
Mechs offer me advantages im just not going to find in a regulated device.

My redundant comment is based on the fact that the vaping experience is based largely on heat and how quickly you can bring your coil to the heat that hits the "sweet spot" for your taste.

You can sub ohm < 0.5R but you can also increase your resistance and power and achieve the same result. A change in wire cross section can also effect the vape quality.

All I'm saying is that I feel people get hung up on this sub-ohming 'culture' thinking it's the only way to get to the vaping nirvana we all crave when in fact there are more than one way to skin that particular cat.

 

[Bad Ninja]

My redundant comment is based on the fact that the vaping experience is based largely on heat and how quickly you can bring your coil to the heat that hits the "sweet spot" for your taste.

You can sub ohm < 0.5R but you can also increase your resistance and power and achieve the same result. A change in wire cross section can also effect the vape quality.

All I'm saying is that I feel people get hung up on this sub-ohming 'culture' thinking it's the only way to get to the vaping nirvana we all crave when in fact there are more than one way to skin that particular cat.

While I agree with ya for the most part, I must add that with each build there are differences.
I prefer my route to "vaping nirvana" over higher ohm coils because my method allows me to wick the coils to my taste.

There's a lot more to vaping than coil resistance and battery power.

I'm not following the popular crowd.
I made it here pretty much on my own.
I have a couple dozen mods and a box full of RBAs, so my builds and set ups are tailored to my tastes.