What is wrong with you?

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DC2

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I have been on this forum for nearly five years.
I have seen every topic discussed, and all arguments presented.

And I have come to a conclusion.

Too many of you don't understand the issues that confront us.
Too many of you are ignorant to who opposes us.
Too many of you don't care yet.

But you will care.

You'll care when they come to your state, your city, or your county.

I am coming to the conclusion that we will all get what we deserve.
Because we ALWAYS get what we deserve.

Make sure you are ready to deserve something better.
And be ready to fight for it.

It you don't fight, you will not only be screwing me, you will be screwing yourself.

Listen to this if you really care enough to care...
https://soundcloud.com/vp-live/lawsuit-filed-lets-talk-to?in=vp-live/sets/the-click-bang-archives
 

Mutescream

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It's largely because too many people in our respective cultures (not just any specific country) lack courage of conviction and moral fiber.

The punitive consequences of action are immediate, the results of action (both good and bad) are over the horizon. The results of inaction are always distant, until it is too late.

How far will we allow the powers that be to reach into our wallets, to fund our oppression? That is really the bottom line.
 

Flt Simulation

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Yes, I am a little concerned with what might be the final outcome to the e-cig industry ... But I am just as worried about what the government is going to do with people (like myself) that own one of these:

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Or one of these:

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Basically, I am fighting two battles right now ... The E-cigs and the semi-auto guns!
 

HughDaHand

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I for one have no idea how to help. I don't have enough extra money to donate to the cause. Other than go protest when a law in my area comes up I really don't know what to do to help. CASAA basically just ask you to donate and alert them to laws in your area. I can't donate so all I can do is fight my local laws.
 

DurtyZ

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Yes, I am a little concerned with what might be the final outcome to the e-cig industry ... But I am just as worried about what the government is going to do with people (like myself) that own one of these:

RtSide3.jpg



Or one of these:

Trigger2.jpg




Basically, I am fighting two battles right now ... The E-cigs and the semi-auto guns!


You're not alone! Gotta fight for our rights.
Nice 1911, beautiful firearm haha
 
I've always seen it as a big joke to be honest. I've never wanted to be sitting next to someone blowing clouds while I'm in my favorite restaurant trying to enjoy a meal. I think back to my high school days when, yes it was technically illegal for me to smoke, but as long as I didn't blow smoke in anyone's face I always seemed to get away with it. There may be a similar concept here. I could be wrong, but how in the heck is anyone going to control what I do in my car, outside, in the bathroom, or anywhere people aren't affected by what I do? And why do people want to vape in public? I think its obnoxious. If you cant light a cig up, why would it be ok to hit your ecig?

I get your concern, and I have mine as well. I just think there are two sides to this, and may be it wouldn't be such a bad thing if we put some regulation on where people vape...

Thoughts?
 

tnt56

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I've always seen it as a big joke to be honest. I've never wanted to be sitting next to someone blowing clouds while I'm in my favorite restaurant trying to enjoy a meal. I think back to my high school days when, yes it was technically illegal for me to smoke, but as long as I didn't blow smoke in anyone's face I always seemed to get away with it. There may be a similar concept here. I could be wrong, but how in the heck is anyone going to control what I do in my car, outside, in the bathroom, or anywhere people aren't affected by what I do? And why do people want to vape in public? I think its obnoxious. If you cant light a cig up, why would it be ok to hit your ecig?

I get your concern, and I have mine as well. I just think there are two sides to this, and may be it wouldn't be such a bad thing if we put some regulation on where people vape...

Thoughts?

There are certain places where in my state it is not legal to vape in your own vehicle. I know. I used to work for the state.
 

pamdis

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I've always seen it as a big joke to be honest. I've never wanted to be sitting next to someone blowing clouds while I'm in my favorite restaurant trying to enjoy a meal. I think back to my high school days when, yes it was technically illegal for me to smoke, but as long as I didn't blow smoke in anyone's face I always seemed to get away with it. There may be a similar concept here. I could be wrong, but how in the heck is anyone going to control what I do in my car, outside, in the bathroom, or anywhere people aren't affected by what I do? And why do people want to vape in public? I think its obnoxious. If you cant light a cig up, why would it be ok to hit your ecig?

I get your concern, and I have mine as well. I just think there are two sides to this, and may be it wouldn't be such a bad thing if we put some regulation on where people vape...

Thoughts?

What about when the FDA tried to ban all e-cigs and confiscated inbound imports in 2009?
What about the bill in California that wants to ban online sales?
What about the bill in New York that wants to ban all e-liquid sales?
What about the bill in New Jersey to tax e-cigs comparative to regular cigs?

There is a lot more going on besides 'where you can vape'. If we don't stay vigilant and fight these things there may come a day when we can't vape at all.
 

Flt Simulation

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They are never going to be able to outlaw vaping, or vaping equipment like mods, batteries, atomizers, VG, PG, flavorings, etc

But .... I can promise you for sure that the government will be going after the very throat of liquid nicotine and any e-juice that contains it. And when it's all said and done, YOU will be paying a real BIG PREMIUM for anything that contains liquid nicotine.

You think cigarettes are expensive now ... just wait till you see what the price of nic juice will cost you in the future!
 

pamdis

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They are never going to be able to outlaw vaping, or vaping equipment like mods, batteries, atomizers, VG, PG, flavorings, etc

But .... I can promise you for sure that the government will be going after the very throat of liquid nicotine and any e-juice that contains it. And when it's all said and done, YOU will be paying a real BIG PREMIUM for anything that contains liquid nicotine.

You think cigarettes are expensive now ... just wait till you see what the price of nic juice will cost you in the future!

Agreed.

The problem as I see it is that too many people just shrug their shoulders on the things that they think don't affect them, or that they think are 'reasonable'. They pass a public usage ban, majority public now thinks vaping is dangerous, minority vaping public shrugs it off saying 'oh well, I don't vape in restaurants anyway and neither should anyone else, or I can stealth vape'.

And as each of these laws get passed and the vast majority of the public is convinced it must be dangerous, that makes it easier for them to take the next step, and the next step, right up to outrageous taxes or outright bans.
 
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