What Kind Of Future Does ECF Have ?.

[ENAUD]

If you do sell to someone else after August 10, 2016, then you'll have to register with the FDA and have the BATF come knocking on your door at 3:00 AM.

Yeah, I'm not selling anything to anyone at that point, especially a stranger on a forum. I have wondered about the classified section and it's future post August.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I expect that anyone in the vaping business will not be able to make any claims about vaping being healthier than smoking. I would think that would include the vendors and staff on here.
However regular members should still be able to voice their opinions on the subject.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Yeah, I'm not selling anything to anyone at that point, especially a stranger on a forum.

Forums are full of strange humans.

 

[inswva]

If vendor sponsorship money starts drying up, it'll be even more important for more folks to become ECF supporting members.

Become an ECF supporting member!

I'll be here until the lights are turned off.

 

[leftyandsparky]

If you do sell to someone else after August 10, 2016, then you'll have to register with the FDA and have the BATF come knocking on your door at 3:00 AM.

Not unless its a tobacco collectable

 

[jseah]

If you do sell to someone else after August 10, 2016, then you'll have to register with the FDA and have the BATF come knocking on your door at 3:00 AM.

The FDA had already said they aren't concerned about the DIY'er because the numbers are so few. So if you're mixing up your own juice for your personal use, you're not going to get a midnight visit from the feds. So if you have 4 million vapers in the US (a statistic I read once), probably less than 0.5 percent (less than 20,000) of those vapers actually mix their own juice. They're just not going to expend the time or energy to track down someone who may be making their own juice at home (how successful has the federal government been in shutting down bootleggers?).

 

[jseah]

If vendor sponsorship money starts drying up, it'll be even more important for more folks to become ECF supporting members.

Become an ECF supporting member!

I'll be here until the lights are turned off.

Once the deeming regs start being enforced, and the TPD starts being enforced in Europe, the UK will end up being the beacon of light in the darkness.

 

[Max-83]

So if you have 4 million vapers in the US (a statistic I read once), probably less than 0.5 percent (less than 20,000) of those vapers actually mix their own juice.

Wow,Do you really think the number of DIY'ers is that low?
I've been mixing my own liquid since about 6 weeks after I started vaping. My impression has been with the number of sites that sell DIY supplies and the nic only sites that it had to be a lot more prevalent.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Wow,Do you really think the number of DIY'ers is that low?
I've been mixing my own liquid since about 6 weeks after I started vaping. My impression has been with the number of sites that sell DIY supplies and the nic only sites that it had to be a lot more prevalent.

I would like to know the actual numbers on vaping aspects.
however I am firmly convinced that we on the forums are in the extreme minority of vapers out there.
Not over 5% I am sure and probably more like 1% or less of the total vapers out there.

There are maybe 10 sites that specialize in DIY? Not enough if was more popular.
There are how many juice brands out there? Hundreds?

 

[Max-83]

Not over 5% I am sure and probably more like 1% or less of the total vapers out there.

If the deeming reg's do indeed stand as written we will see an explosion in DIY juicers

 

[jseah]

Wow,Do you really think the number of DIY'ers is that low?
I've been mixing my own liquid since about 6 weeks after I started vaping. My impression has been with the number of sites that sell DIY supplies and the nic only sites that it had to be a lot more prevalent.

I would like to know the actual numbers on vaping aspects.
however I am firmly convinced that we on the forums are in the extreme minority of vapers out there.
Not over 5% I am sure and probably more like 1% or less of the total vapers out there.

There are maybe 10 sites that specialize in DIY? Not enough if was more popular.
There are how many juice brands out there? Hundreds?

Enthusiast forums such as this generally represent a small, small percentage of the population. While we talk constantly here about tube and box mods, I would be willing to bet that the largest market share of vaping products being sold in the US are still cigalikes made and sold by the tobacco companies (blu's, Mark Ten, Vuse, etc.). While the vapor products we buy and use has to be either bought online or in specialty vape shops, cigalikes are sold everywhere....drug stores, WalMart, your neighborhood gas station.

I used to frequent one of the largest cell phone forums in the world, and it still had only 1.1 million members. Compare that to how many cell phone users there are and that forum membership probably only represented less than a fraction of one percent of the cell phone users in the world. Since the forum was focused mainly on the US and Canada, the membership still only represented less than 1 percent of the number of cell phone users just in the US and Canada.

 

[retired1]

I would like to know the actual numbers on vaping aspects.
however I am firmly convinced that we on the forums are in the extreme minority of vapers out there.
Not over 5% I am sure and probably more like 1% or less of the total vapers out there.

There are maybe 10 sites that specialize in DIY? Not enough if was more popular.
There are how many juice brands out there? Hundreds?

If the deeming reg's do indeed stand as written we will see an explosion in DIY juicers

It's doubtful. For those that are already vaping, I can see them exploring DIY.

However, for those that haven't started yet, the FDA regulations will pretty much limit new vapers to closed end systems. You are correct in assuming that ECF's membership is a tiny portion of the total vaping population world wide. And while we know the benefits of open ended systems, those that pick up vaping in the years to come will have little choice if the FDA regulations stand.

 

[jseah]

If the deeming reg's do indeed stand as written we will see an explosion in DIY juicers

Not so sure about that. I know quite a bit of vapers that just don't feel comfortable mixing their own juice....basically being scared of handling concentrated nicotine. There will be more of an exodus of people quitting vaping and going back to smoking. If anything, you will see the CDC surveys show an increase in the number of people smoking, whereas we saw a drop in the latest survey.

 

[Max-83]

It's doubtful. For those that are already vaping, I can see them exploring DIY.

However, for those that haven't started yet, the FDA regulations will pretty much limit new vapers to closed end systems. You are correct in assuming that ECF's membership is a tiny portion of the total vaping population world wide. And while we know the benefits of open ended systems, those that pick up vaping in the years to come will have little choice if the FDA regulations stand.

You may very well be right. I realize I'm very naive about the vaping world in general.

I know when I first contemplated vaping, with no previous knowledge what so ever, I purchased a Vuse and immediately went looking for better the next day. that brought my to ECF via google search and my personal rabbit hole adventure began.

Guess i just assumed most other people research this subject more, especially when trying to figure out the truth on health concerns.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

If the deeming reg's do indeed stand as written we will see an explosion in DIY juicers

IF they can buy nic concentrate.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

You may very well be right. I realize I'm very naive about the vaping world in general.

I know when I first contemplated vaping, with no previous knowledge what so ever, I purchased a Vuse and immediately went looking for better the next day. that brought my to ECF via google search and my personal rabbit hole adventure began.

Guess i just assumed most other people research this subject more, especially when trying to figure out the truth on health concerns.

Smoking is simple. Vaping is LOTS more complicated.
Many/most vapers keep it as simple as they can.
A very few of us make it into a hobby.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

It's doubtful. For those that are already vaping, I can see them exploring DIY.

However, for those that haven't started yet, the FDA regulations will pretty much limit new vapers to closed end systems. You are correct in assuming that ECF's membership is a tiny portion of the total vaping population world wide. And while we know the benefits of open ended systems, those that pick up vaping in the years to come will have little choice if the FDA regulations stand.

All vape USA located vape related board memberships in the USA combined will not equal 1% of the total amount of vapers in the USA.
The vast majority of vapers in the USA do not even buy vape stuff over the internet.

 

[dionysuskiss]

All vape USA located vape related board memberships in the USA combined will not equal 1% of the total amount of vapers in the USA.
The vast majority of vapers in the USA do not even buy vape stuff over the internet.

Or go on forums, or watch YouTube reviewers. The real fight against the damning regs won't start until after Aug.8. When Average Joe Vaper goes to his local vape shop to pick up some coils or juice, and either the shops are closed down or they can't sell him what he needs. A rude awakening, indeed. What makes it worse is, a lot of Vape Shops out there are NOT informing the public about what's going on, and are doing business as usual.

 

[AzPlumber]

I predict a surge in the modding forum.

 

[puffon]

I agree, the majority are uninformed. The few vapers I've talked to, don't know about any e-cig forums. Don't know supplies are available online.
Did not know you can DIY. Think the FDA regs are a good idea, because they heard on the news it will stop underage buying...