What Kind Of Future Does ECF Have ?.

[Rickajho]

I think rhetorical questions are exhausting and usually pointless.

 

[Rule62]

No offense to young people, but a vast majority took up vaping because they think it's cool. I'd rather them vape then smoke however.

I agree. No offense meant to young people. Around here, vape trick competitions and cloud comps are popular. It seems like there's one just about every weekend somewhere. There are several local FB groups, and they stay connected via the FB groups. Sadly though, my observation is that the vape meets and completion announcements get more response posts than the advocacy posts.

 

[Max-83]

I could be wrong, but I don't think congress has given the FDA authority to regulate the internet.

I understand what your saying, I guess point is, why do people think they are going to the net and researching at that point? It would seem that someone who has no interest in looking for info on vaping before or during there use of ecigs, why would they do that after they discover the big brother has outlawed it?

ETA: Guess I didn't understand what you were saying. Til I re-read your post, oops

 

[jseah]

Even tho I understand why, it really upsets me that the vape shops keep their customers in the dark. They don't want their customers anywhere near the internet. These customers find ecf, internet vape vendors, it's bye bye to the shops business. Bring up ecf to a vape shop employee, and you get a blank stare. I used to visit a shop a once in awhile, but don't go there any longer. Most of em, not all, deserve to go out of business.

Actually, the owner of the vape shop I frequent is well aware of both the information available, and the competition from the internet. He sets his prices to be competitive with online vendors. While he cannot match Fasttech prices, his prices are usually either spot on, or within a few dollars, of the prices of vendors like Vapor DNA. He even comes on ECF every now and again. Last time I was there, he had a stack of form letters printed out addressed to all of our NY legislators in DC that the customers just needed to fill in their name and address in support of the amendments to move the predicate date.

 

[AzPlumber]

I could be wrong, but I don't think congress has given the FDA authority to regulate the internet.

If the FDA restricts e-cig advertisement it will have a negative effect on ECF financially.

 

[puffon]

If the FDA restricts e-cig advertisement it will have a negative effect on ECF financially.

I agree, they may have been given authority to restrict advertising meant for US consumers, which could affect ECF (although ECF is a world wide forum) They have not been given the authority to restrict information given out, such as what has been posted on YouTube, programs such as Steam Engine, e-liquid recipes, etc.
Were not in a third world country. (Yet)

 

[retired1]

If the FDA restricts e-cig advertisement it will have a negative effect on ECF financially.

Only if we're still hosted in the US.

 

[WillyZee]

I think ECF will survive ... they won't be making as much money, however, I don't see the Regs as a reason to close down ECF.

 

[Max-83]

Only if we're still hosted in the US

YES! Rebellion, I love it!

 

[puffon]

Only if we're still hosted in the US.

 

[vape-addict]

If you do sell to someone else after August 10, 2016, then you'll have to register with the FDA and have the BATF come knocking on your door at 3:00 AM.

well I sell gallons of home brew to people I know and haven't had my door knocked on yet..been doing it for years

 

[Robert Cromwell]

On the other hand vape shops expose many folks to vaping that are not internet savvy.

This is true more people shop in vape shops than on the net I think.
I know of 4 vapers I used to work with. None of them got anything on the internet.
And I only know face to face about 10 vapers.
I only know of one for sure that gets stuff on the net.

 

[Alter]

Agreed. I actually started vaping as a way to save money.
Wife got me a cigalike kit as a surprise so I figured what the heck and tried it.
Immediately figured out that prefilled cartos would cost me as much a ssmokiing so refilled cartos.
Then figured out that much of the commercial juice was not agreeing with me and started DIY within 6 weeks of starting vaping. I figure I can make a gallon of ejuice for around $50 now.

Vaping has also become a hobby though and I have built up quite an inventory over the past 1.5 years. Mostly from super cheap deals on clearance and such.
I have yet to pay over $30 for a mod.
almost all of them were $20 or less and many of the mechs $10 or less on clearance.
Considering all of that I have still spent less than 1/3 of what I would have spent on smoking and the cigs I was smoking are still under $35/carton here.

I was the exact same way. I started with a lousy setup I made better, learnt to recoil so I was able to upgrade to better and kept going. I have a bad habit of taking things apart to see how they tick. I may have spent a couple grand in the first couple years learning, classys and coops finding what I like in a setup. Now with DIY juice, its the coup-du-grace if our vape journey. Our total cost of 3 years ago was $600 a month for cigs now is @30 bucks a month for my wife and I to be in vape nirvana.
ECF is going nowhere as long as there are people wanting to learn.

 

[leftyandsparky]

This is true more people shop in vape shops than on the net I think.
I know of 4 vapers I used to work with. None of them got anything on the internet.
And I only know face to face about 10 vapers.
I only know of one for sure that gets stuff on the net.

I didn't learn anything in my local shops,so I went online and asked google and next thing you know,I'm
on EFC!

 

[Vandal]

I could be wrong, but I don't think congress has given the FDA authority to regulate the internet.

I went and had a look at YouTube's tobacco products policy. It looks like they only disallow portraying underage use. But I have found studies that have been done on Youtube videos (and Vlogs) that portray Smokeless Tobacco and E-cigarettes, and they point to the pro videos far outnumbering anti videos, in sheer number as well as Likes and the development of communities around such videos, along with an uneven proportion of brands, as an indication that YouTube is being leveraged as a marketing and promotion platform for tobacco products.

This is a real simplification of what the studies are saying, but you get the gist. My concern is the FDA could force YouTube and others to remove such content on the grounds that it "deems" it as marketing.

 

[Yiana]

Actually, the owner of the vape shop I frequent is well aware of both the information available, and the competition from the internet. He sets his prices to be competitive with online vendors. While he cannot match Fasttech prices, his prices are usually either spot on, or within a few dollars, of the prices of vendors like Vapor DNA. He even comes on ECF every now and again. Last time I was there, he had a stack of form letters printed out addressed to all of our NY legislators in DC that the customers just needed to fill in their name and address in support of the amendments to move the predicate date.

There was a cool shop like that when I lived in Illinois. It was called JJ Vapes. They were awesome with pricing, great selection and super helpful to anyone including me that stopped in. I wandered in when I saw it, at that point I was vaping on egos and getting my juice from a smoke shop. It really blew me away.

 

[Yiana]

I went and had a look at YouTube's tobacco products policy. It looks like they only disallow portraying underage use. But I have found studies that have been done on Youtube videos (and Vlogs) that portray Smokeless Tobacco and E-cigarettes, and they point to the pro videos far outnumbering anti videos, in sheer number as well as Likes and the development of communities around such videos, along with an uneven proportion of brands, as an indication that YouTube is being leveraged as a marketing and promotion platform for tobacco products.

This is a real simplification of what the studies are saying, but you get the gist. My concern is the FDA could force YouTube and others to remove such content on the grounds that it "deems" it as marketing.

There's already videos on you tube that says not available in your country when you click on it. But they weren't vape videos they were concerts. So I can totally see them doing it.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

There's already videos on you tube that says not available in your country when you click on it. But they weren't vape videos they were concerts. So I can totally see them doing it.

But those vids are blocked for monetary reasons, not for reasons of better health.
Ohh wait....

 

[leftyandsparky]

Dark web

 

[leftyandsparky]

Bit coin too!