What should I do about shop selling dangerous equipment w/ no guidance?
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So anyone here replying along the lines of "I only use fused mechs" is totally missing the point that 98% of the mechs out there are incendiary devices waiting to be lit off when "stuff happens". Accidents are a statistical certainty and really there is only the mech industry to blame.
Eh, I mean.. A majority of incidents that have occurred have certainly been with mech mods. A large number of them were user error, while others were "questionable" in terms of who was at fault. In nearly all cases I think a little education at the vape shop would've prevented any incident from occurring at all.
That said, there are regulated devices which are either poorly made or poorly QC'd. The end-result isn't quite as devastating (I haven't heard of a regulated mod flat-out blowing up quite like a mech might) but it's still leaving a bad taste in non-vapers' mouths, which I think is something we should avoid.
But I agree, most mechs -- even in the hands of an experienced vaper -- have the potential to turn bad. I'm quite fond of the regulated devices available on the market these days, and they all have pretty reliable safety features. At the very least, I know I'll fry a chip long before I blow up my batteries.
I can't possibly disagree with that statement any more. If you drive your car straight into a telephone pole, do you blame the telephone pole industry?
You are arguing philosophy. I'm arguing reality. The USA accepts 20,000 auto fatalities a year. Not even newsworthy. But for the most part we live in a very risk averse society. We also live in a highly controlled and propagandized society. That is the world we live in.
Mechs will continue to blow up, regardless of how well users are education, simply because "stuff happens". It is a statistical certainty, just like a certain number of people drive into light poles each year.
And eventually the regulators will come down hard on us. All of us, even those of us that wouldn't touch a mech. It isn't right, it isn't fair, but it is as inevitable as the next approaching winter.
This is not a matter of religion and philosophy about user responsibility. This is about the industy ignoring the politics of the world they live in.
I personally believe in individual rights and responsibilities. But my beliefs (and your beliefs!) mean nothing here. The only thing that matters is the inevitable slow motion train wreck we are watching. And that train wreck is a statistical certainty in the political world we live in.
I agree that anything, vape related or not, has the potential to be dangerous. Education and research combined with some common sense and respect for what you have in your hands reduces the risk drastically.
Mechs don't have nearly the accident stats that ego batteries have. The IPV 4 was/is a fire hazard with the design and placement of the charging port...istick 50's were burning up left and right. Now we have the dna200 that uses lipo batteries. An inexperienced modder that knows nothing about lipos can build some potentially dangerous mods. Then there's the venting mechs.... You don't hear alot about those because not as many folks are using mechs.
I think the current trends in vaping will dictate the current most hazardous product...simply because more people are using that product. I've been running mechanical squonkers for the last 2 years and have never even flattened a spring. I did some research and I'm careful. I did have a Cloupor 30 catch fire about a year ago, though...still not sure why. And I had a button on a tube mech burn my finger....my mech was really dirty.
Do you understand clearly that that is a very idealistic point of view, one that will never be achieved? Nothing in life ever hits 100%. And when it comes to education, it usually falls far short of that. It may be very unfair that every incident is trumped up in top of the headline news, but that is the world we live in. "We" (the industry) would be smart to accommodate that.
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Even regulated devices are dangerous sometimes. The fact is we all choose to wrap our lips around a piece of metal or plastic containing a small, but powerful electrical device that can malfunction. The best we can do is educate ourselves and anyone else we run into about safety and say a prayer nothing goes wrong. And say another prayer nobody gets hurt when it does.
Even regulated devices are dangerous sometimes. The fact is we all choose to wrap our lips around a piece of metal or plastic containing a small, but powerful electrical device that can malfunction. The best we can do is educate ourselves and anyone else we run into about safety and say a prayer nothing goes wrong. And say another prayer nobody gets hurt when it does.
Of course, I was just stating that because it's relevant to OP's post.
I'd like for there to be no unsafe devices on the market, but that's also unrealistically idealistic. For the time being, I think it's necessary that vape shop employees elaborate on the intricacies of battery safety if they're selling an advanced device.
Wow, was not quite expecting to kick off this much debate! Obviously, there is a lot of emotion and strong opinion here. There is also a lot of good advice. I think I will talk to the shop, but won't expect too much on their end. I am so glad I found this forum and the reddit community, both are full of useful info and helpful people.
Are you saying that it is unrealistic for the industry to mandate, among themselves, the inclusion of safety fuses? Or is this simply a choice the industry has made?
Keeping in mind the gov't is soon going to make that choice for them, or take away the choice to sell mechs.
There are plenty of safe vaping options. Some just want a cheap 'clone' to blow clouds with. If they blow themselves up there is no one to blame but themselves. Should there be a warning label? The professional vendors do state on their websites such devices are not for beginners. If I buy cheap Chinese made, S rated tires for my Audi and take it out on the turnpike on a flat stretch, go 120, blow a tire and die a fiery death, I would have no one to blame but myself...
Lol! You are new here. You will come to find that there is at least one heated debate every 4 - 6 hours. Sometimes it's the best way to learn because folks start reaching into their bookmark file and pulling out links to info you haven't seen yet to prove their point. Just grab a bag of popcorn and keep reading.
We're already this far and mech mods don't have safety fuses. I'd say it's unrealistic solely because mech mods are already in the process of being sort of "phased out" and all the current mech mod owners aren't about to throw safety fuses in their devices. In fact, from what I can tell, there isn't a safety fuse on the market that'd be appropriate for a mech mod in the fashion that most people are using them these days (low ohm builds and all).
Authentics have just about the same failure rate/safety risks as clones, some are actually higher because they're hand-made in small batches. You hear about them less because they're not mass-produced, but there are a lot of dud authentics on the market. Some clones even improve upon the authentic's original design.
I estimate that 100% of the devices I use are fused.
It is my base criteria for purchase (that and NO bottom button).
Is it a device safe. No/maybe; I'll pass.
I can't control the decisions/choices of others. We are all adults here...Right?
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Mechs are inherently far more prone to user error and malfunction. If a new vaper is willing to take the risk, they should be willing to accept the potential consequences...
How many Pv-1s have blown up? I consider them a mech with safety features...
That wouldn't be a hybrid; that would be one of the pseudo-hybrids which use a 510 thread without a centerpin.
I have a true hybrid right now; nemesis with 3d rda. No flimsy cigalike sized 510 thread at all.
I think you should stop by the shop if convenient and try to mention that those pseudo hybrids are a potential business killer.
What scares me is that it appears that the opposite is true...
1. I see a lot of discussion here that mech mods are the "in thing" among the high school crowd. I see comments here along the lines of "he (a high schooler) went into a shop to buy a mech mod just like his friends are using".
2. I see, more and more, reports here of shops "pushing" mech mods onto newbies. Something I think was unthinkable just a year or two ago, when shops were pushing CE4's on newbies?
I could be wrong but that is my impression, just reading traffic here. I can see where mechs are very lucrative, enabling a customer base that has more or less endless demand, due to the "collectible" nature of mechs. There is no end to cool looking mechs.
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