What will be the ultimate undoing of The United States?

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angelique510

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The decline of the nuclear family and bad parenting skills an indication of our hastened doom, if not a direct cause.

I couldn't agree more, Bassnut!

I blame feminism. (Of course, I blame feminists for just about everything, but you already know that) The man as the head of the family -if he is even around- is a very rare thing nowadays. You destroy the hierarchy of the family, you destroy the hierarchy of society.

Without a firmly established hierarchy, either in the family, in society, or in one's own personal priorities, nothing is accomplished and everything degenerates into chaos. I have no doubt you military men will agree with me on this one.

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I don't believe this for a second. How about a youtube to prove it?

If there were a YouTube vid about it, it wouldn't be "little known".

My latest research reveals that the Illuminati are behind it all, and using the Freemasons as their puppets to manipulate the Jamaican mafia.
 

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If there were a YouTube vid about it, it wouldn't be "little known".

My latest research reveals that the Illuminati are behind it all, and using the Freemasons as their puppets to manipulate the Jamaican mafia.

This is an oversimplification and shows laziness in your research habits/skills, my friend.
Had you been paying closer attention to the subliminal messages (i.e. playing backwards) the lines uttered to our youth (and more than a few adults) by Sponge Bob S.P., you'd be closer to the mark....and the source.
 

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I blame feminism.
~A

Forgive me for abbreviating your comment but I wanted to get to the heart of it.

I agree to a certain extent.
Personally, I'm all for providing to woman the freedom of choice equal to a man's and to be rewarded or penalized in like manner.
Unfortunately, it seems to me that due to "women's liberation" men have become emasculated (not responsible, don't care, what about me? etc.) and women have been made "sterile" in their nurturing abilities. (not responsible, don't care, what about me? etc.)

When it comes down to this, the religious fundamentalists, be they Christian, Hindu, Jew, Muslim, etc. have it right. (I have some reservations)
There are ancient tribal laws and traditions being passed down to us under the guise of religion that guarantee survival and they are being ignored.
 
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The economy. In a few yrs. (10 to 15) the US will no longer lead the worlds economy. I was thinking this morning (OH OH) anyway everyone is mad at the immagration thing and them doing work here but what about all the US companies sending jobs overseas? Whats the difference in the cheap labor coming here or taking it to them?

The chinese people don't carry free medical cards, demand constitutional rights without being citizens, use our emergency rooms, suck up huge resources at the schools, draw welfare, kill us, rape our women and run home or even live here
 

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Forgive me for abbreviating your comment but I wanted to get to the heart of it.

I agree to a certain extent.
Personally, I'm all for providing to woman the freedom of choice equal to a man's and to be rewarded or penalized in like manner.
Unfortunately, it seems to me that due to "women's liberation" men have become emasculated (not responsible, don't care, what about me? etc.) and women have been made "sterile" in their nurturing abilities. (not responsible, don't care, what about me? etc.)

When it comes down to this, the religious fundamentalists, be they Christian, Hindu, Jew, Muslim, etc. have it right. (I have some reservations)
There are ancient tribal laws and traditions being passed down to us under the guise of religion that guarantee survival and they are being ignored.


You're both right. It is so stupid, the way things work, now. Thanks to feminism the government has essentially doubled the number of good little tax slaves. Womens liberation was the biggest scam ever pulled on women. Go see a feminist sometime. They're hateful miserable and frigid.

The mother child bond is gone. The child bonds with daycare. Proper discipline is abuse and we then wonder why these little goons go to prison or kill their loved ones.

Oh and then the women learn to find what they think they want... a sweet little ..... who says yes dear, does dishes and thinks it's funny they she "lets" him do this or that. Then they never understand why she loses attraction to such a "wonderful man"

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I couldn't agree more, Bassnut!

I blame feminism. (Of course, I blame feminists for just about everything, but you already know that) The man as the head of the family -if he is even around- is a very rare thing nowadays. You destroy the hierarchy of the family, you destroy the hierarchy of society.

Without a firmly established hierarchy, either in the family, in society, or in one's own personal priorities, nothing is accomplished and everything degenerates into chaos. I have no doubt you military men will agree with me on this one.

~A
I do agree however I was in a different type of unit by the time I got out.. hierarchy still there though.
 

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In the near future? Nothing. In the long run? The very basis of the capital based economic system will eat itself.

None of the reasons listed above by earlier posters will destroy america in any meaningful way. It becomes very easy for people to look for targets and lay the blame in some pretty irrational places when they dont like the way things are going however. To be fair, im GLAD the country has slowly been moved away from its founding principles in certain ways, because they were WRONG.

Let us be perfectly clear here, 2 of the biggest founding principles people like to overlook is that women were second class citizens not entitled to a voice, and that the only people qualified to vote and have a voice in america were Land Owning white men. These "founding principles" of course go hand in hand with freedom for and FROM religion which is an overlooked point via the right who delights in rewriting history. The military industrial complex? Not a founding principle, in fact the military itself was strongly frowned upon but you wont hear people advocating returning to THAT stance either.

People need to stop harping on a past they never studied in depth and look instead towards the future. Climates, people, boundaries, and people change with time and trying to tear it back by force into a rosy past that never was is a disaster waiting to happen.
 

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In the near future? Nothing. In the long run? The very basis of the capital based economic system will eat itself.

None of the reasons listed above by earlier posters will destroy america in any meaningful way. It becomes very easy for people to look for targets and lay the blame in some pretty irrational places when they dont like the way things are going however. To be fair, im GLAD the country has slowly been moved away from its founding principles in certain ways, because they were WRONG.

Let us be perfectly clear here, 2 of the biggest founding principles people like to overlook is that women were second class citizens not entitled to a voice, and that the only people qualified to vote and have a voice in america were Land Owning white men. These "founding principles" of course go hand in hand with freedom for and FROM religion which is an overlooked point via the right who delights in rewriting history. The military industrial complex? Not a founding principle, in fact the military itself was strongly frowned upon but you wont hear people advocating returning to THAT stance either.

People need to stop harping on a past they never studied in depth and look instead towards the future. Climates, people, boundaries, and people change with time and trying to tear it back by force into a rosy past that never was is a disaster waiting to happen.

Did you just recently graduate from university?
I had similar points of view and youthful arrogance when I was younger but I grew out of it.
 

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Did you just recently graduate from university?
I had similar points of view and youthful arrogance when I was younger but I grew out of it.

Point out the arrogance in my post, please. Is it the audacity and arrogance of change? The proof of history as a pointer of the evolution of a culture, its people and beliefs? Maybe it was the lack of citations, if those are needed I would be happy to provide them.
Can you?

Of course implying ive recently graduated from university was cute and not the slightest bit arrogant on your part I assume? I am a married (10 years now) working man with two wonderful children. I would prefer attacks on my stance and argument please, not my personal self.
 
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Feel free to start an anti-feminism thread - I'll be there with bells on. But getting back to the original question. This man said it best:
YouTube - "Those Voices Don't Speak for the Rest of Us"

~A

Powerful Video Angelique. We have strayed from the intended path. I think Congress needs to read the Constitution out loud once a week. They should take turns being the orator.

Right now, we have many issues in America, but the major one is the same as the individual one. We have become a credit card nation. We can spend money we don't have! That is dangerous. Maybe we need to restrict congressional spending to a set percentage of GDP. In the next year or so, we will owe more than we produce and that is far more than we could scrape up if the notes were called in. Yes, I know more than half is owed to ourselves.
 

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I had similar points of view and youthful arrogance when I was younger but I grew out of it.

"If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain." ~ Winston Churchill

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"If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain." ~ Winston Churchill

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Do not quote Churchill at me without quoting the rest of his "knowledge"

I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes. -1919

I do not admit... that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia... by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place.
Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937

This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920
 

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Point out the arrogance in my post, please. Is it the audacity and arrogance of change? The proof of history as a pointer of the evolution of a culture, its people and beliefs? Maybe it was the lack of citations, if those are needed I would be happy to provide them.
Can you?

Of course implying ive recently graduated from university was cute and not the slightest bit arrogant on your part I assume? I am a married (10 years now) working man with two wonderful children. I would prefer attacks on my stance and argument please, not my personal self.

I have no quarrel.
You're a working, married man raising two kids, paying taxes, taking responsibility for yourself and setting a good example for all. You're a hero in my book and I wish you the best.

Have you checked out the Outside section of the Lounge?
That's really where the fun is. This stuff (socio-political ideas) gets heatedly debated all day, every day. I can't keep up. No time.
 
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